Ep. 138 – Security With Marcus Sailler of Capital Group
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In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by industry professional, Marcus Sailler to discuss his experience as the red team information security manager at Capital Group. Marcus shares some great tips on creating a successful security team and how you can prevent it from becoming the "No Police". They also go over the recent changes in the industry, including how big hacks have increased security awareness in the general public. 


00:09 – Introduction to the new Security Awareness Series 

01:28 – Introduction to Ryan MacDougall 

Phishing as a Service (PHaaS) 

Vishing as a Service (VaaS) 


02:32 – Introduction to Marcus Sailler 

04:20 – How Marcus got into information security 

06:08 – Recent changes in the infosec industry- How a big hack increases security awareness 

12:09 – How a red team and security awareness team can collaborate to enhance security 

14:25 – Introduction to Capital Group 

16:17 – Coming up with relevant attacks for a global company 

18:08 – How a security team can avoid becoming the “No Police” 

21:39 – Why it’s better to build a blue team first 

22:24 – The importance of attitude and ego for a red teamer 

25:04 – How a red team benefits from partnership 

26:53 – Emulate the bad guy, but remember to be good 

29:18 – Steps corporations should implement now 

30:58 – Some of Marcus’ most respected industry professionals 

Chris Hadnagy 

David McGuire 

Jason Frank 

Jeff Dimmock 

David Kennedy 

Amanda Berlin 

Ian Coldwater 

Rachel Tobac 

34:47 – Marcus' book recommendations 

Sizing People Up: A Veteran FBI Agent's User Manual for Behavior Prediction 

The 5 Love Languages: The Secret to Love that Lasts 

39:18 – Marcus' contact info 



14:38 – Outro 



The Innocent Lives Foundation   

SEVillage: The Human Hacking Conference 

Human Hacking Book Website 

Human Hacking Book Amazon 


Chris on Twitter 

Social-Engineer on Twitter 


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