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This week's episode features Reverend Dr. David Emmanuel Goatley, Associate Dean at Duke Divinity School, Professor of Theology and Christian Ministry, and Director of the Thriving in Ministry Program for Lott Carey.

Join Rev. Dr. Jacqueline Madison-McCreary and Rev. Dr. David Emmanuel Goatley each week for “Pilgrimages of Striving and Thriving.” We look forward to the pilgrimage with you. Learn more at LottCarey.org.