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Mike and Sarah are journalists obsessed with the past. Every week they reconsider a person or event that's been miscast in the public imagination.
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Bonus: "The Dark Knight"
Sarah's other show has a special guest! Maintenance Phase co-host Aubrey Gordon visits Why Are Dads to talk about Christopher Nolan, trash masculinity and the dwindling number of non-problematic superheroes.
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Feb 22, 2021
The O.J. Simpson Trial: The DeLorean Detour
To tell the story of the "dream team" we must begin by going back to the future. This week we learn why O.J. Simpson fired the man who defended John DeLorean and why a briefcase of cocaine isn’t always a smoking gun. Digressions include Bob’s Big Boy, Margaret Thatcher and the Fonz.
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* 1970 GTO Humbler commercial
* 1981 DeLorean commercial
* Howard Weitzman on John DeLorean in 2013
* The "better than gold" tape
* John DeLorean Reinvented The Dream Car. Then He Totaled It.
* Delorean is Freed
* Key Witness Against DeLorean Begins Testimony
* Government Paid Informer
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Feb 15, 2021
Tipper Gore vs. Heavy Metal: The Hearing
Mike tells Sarah the real reason Congress called a bunch of rockers to Washington D.C. Digressions include cartoon violence, sleeveless tees and Trixie Mattel. Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" and Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" are dissected at length.
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* The hearing transcript
* Dee Snider's memoir
* Frank Zappa's memoir
* Running with the Devil: Power, Gender, and Madness in Heavy Metal Music
* Music-Evoked Emotions—Current Studies
* Don’t Let The Man Get You Down: Rock and Roll and The Development of The Parents’ Music Resource Center
* Save the Children: The Parents’ Music Resource Center and Media Activism
* Highway to Hell: Laws, Lawsuits, and Moral Panic over Heavy Metal Music
* The Parents’ Music Resource Center: From Information to Censorship
* “Leer-Ics” or Lyrics: Teenage Impressions of Rock 'n' Roll
* Parental Advisory – Explicit Content: The Parents Music Resource Center, Conservative Music Censorship, and the Protection of Children
* Andrew Hartman’s A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars
* The Effects of Violent Music on Children and Adolescents
* A Comparative Historical Analysis of Post-war Moral Panics and the Construction of Youth from 1938 to 2010
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Feb 8, 2021
Tipper Gore vs. Heavy Metal: The Case Against "Porn Rock"
Mike tells Sarah how a congressional wife started a moral crusade. Digressions include Sheena Easton, Satanic rhymes and teen homicide statistics. Ozzy Osbourne's bat story is recounted in full.
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* Save the Children: The Parents’ Music Resource Center and Media Activism
* Everything you need to know about Ozzy Osbourne biting the head off a bat in Des Moines
* Highway to Hell: Laws, Lawsuits, and Moral Panic over Heavy Metal Music,
* The Emergence of Youth Suicide: An Epidemiologic Analysis and Public Health Perspective
* The Role of Gun Supply in 1980s and 1990s Youth Violence
* The Parents’ Music Resource Center: From Information to Censorship
* Parental Advisory – Explicit Content: The Parents Music Resource Center, Conservative Music Censorship, and the Protection of Children
* Andrew Hartman’s A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars
* Trends in Premarital Sex in the United States, 1954–2003
* 'I'd Sell You Suicide': Pop Music and Moral Panic in the Age of Marilyn Manson
* A Comparative Historical Analysis of Post-war Moral Panics and the Construction of Youth from 1938 to 2010
* “Children Having Children,” the 1985 moral panic article in Time
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Feb 1, 2021
The Anti-Vaccine Movement
Special guest Eric Michael Garcia tells Mike and Sarah about the deep roots of a pernicious modern myth. Digressions include Mary Tyler Moore, British place names and supermodel dating habits. Mike finally gets to talk about Swedish statistical methods.
Here's some of Eric's work on autism and here's his book!
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Jan 25, 2021
The O.J. Simpson Trial: The Arraignmaker
This week, we put on our suits and head back to the courtroom. O.J. Simpson pleads not guilty, Marcia Clark finishes questioning Kato Kaelin and Bob Shapiro continues to furrow his brow. Digressions include "Speed," the Kuleshov effect and the intentional boringness of American law. In the final ten minutes, we talk briefly about the crime scene and Marcia’s reaction to it.
If you'd like to see the arraignment footage for yourself it's here.
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Jan 18, 2021
Shannon Faulkner & Sex Discrimination at The Citadel
Mike tells Sarah how a troll-ish experiment turned a South Carolina teenager into one of the most maligned women of the 1990s. Digressions include Sally Ride, Anne Hathaway and, as usual, "Newsies." Mike struggles with the word "infirmary" throughout.
The pictures of Shannon we discuss in this episode are here.
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* Catherine Manegold's "In Glory's Shadow: Shannon Faulkner, the Citadel, and a Changing America"
* Susan Faludi’s “The Naked Citadel”
* Marching In Step: The Citadel And Post World War II America
* A Judicial Blow for "Jane Crowism" at The Citadel in Faulkner v. Jones
* The Citadel's Lone Wolf, Shannon Faulkner
* Surviving the Company of Men
* Shannon Faulkner and The Citadel: The Effects of Using Litigation as an Instrument of Social Reform
* Saving The Males: The Sociological Implications of the Virginia Military Institute and the Citadel (since we recorded this episode we've learned that the author of this piece has been accused of sexual harassment. Apologies for not mentioning it on the show!)
* Single-Sex Education: New Perspectives and Evidence on a Continuing Controversy
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Jan 11, 2021
The O.J. Simpson Trial: My Fair Paula
This week we talk about the early days of Paula and O.J.’s relationship and the celebrity cameos reach either a high or a low point. Digressions include date etiquette, cat scams and room-temperature Diet Coke. Mike has his head in his hands for long periods.
In this episode we discuss domestic abuse, including the violence Nicole Brown Simpson experienced and the circumstances of her 911 calls.
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Dec 28, 2020
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Paula Escapes From L.A.
This week we return to the O.J. Simpson trial and learn what Paula Barbieri did after the Bronco chase. Digressions include fish, beef and grocery shopping while conventionally attractive. Neither co-host has a firm grasp on the meaning of the word "festive."
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* Paula on "Primetime Live"
* The Time cover
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Dec 21, 2020
The Stanford Prison Experiment
Mike tells Sarah the complicated story of an over-simplified study. Digressions include Tonya Harding, "The Meg" and Kitty Genovese. The Milgram obedience studies and the "broken windows" theory of policing receive bonus debunkings.
Thanks to Thibault Le Texier for helping us with this episode! Here's his book, "The History of a Lie," and the English-language summary, "Debunking the Stanford Prison Experiment."
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* The Original Study
* Philip Zimbardo's "The Lucifer Effect"
* Zimbardo's 1973 NYT article
* David Jaffee’s precursor study at Toyon Hall
* Ben Blum's "The Lifespan of a Lie"
* The Stanford prison experiment in introductory psychology textbooks: A content analysis
* The Real Lesson of the Stanford Prison Experiment
* Revisiting the Stanford Prison Experiment: Could Participant Self-Selection Have Led to the Cruelty?
* Interpersonal Dynamics in a Simulated Prison: A Methodological Analysis
* The Obedience Alibi: Milgram's Account of the Holocaust Reconsidered
* Obedience in Perspective: Psychology and the Holocaust
* Unchaining the Stanford Prison Experiment: Philip Zimbardo’s famous study falls under scrutiny
* The Secrets of Abu Ghraib Revealed: American Soldiers on Trial
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Dec 7, 2020
Losing Relatives to Fox News
Mike tells Sarah what makes older Americans more vulnerable to misinformation — and who is delivering it to them. Digressions include "Supernatural," the Rachel and a fake university in Pennsylvania. We recorded this episode before the election but tried not to make it too obvious.
Here's the article Mike wrote with all the research he did for this episode:
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Nov 30, 2020
The Newsboys' Strike of 1899 (Part 2)
Sarah tells Mike about the thrilling conclusion to a children’s labor action and an overlooked Disney musical. Digressions include cronuts, carrier pigeons and Sylvester Graham’s crackers. Both hosts agree that they love saying the word "papes."
Most of the information in this episode comes from Sarah's two new favorite books, Vincent DiGirolamo’s “Crying the News” and David Nasaw’s “Children of the City.” And here's the link to the newsboy footage we watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gatfLuD-Do
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Nov 23, 2020
The Newsboys' Strike of 1899 (Part 1)
Sarah tells Mike about media history, labor organizing, century-old moral panics — and the unlikely Disney musical that introduced her to all three. Digressions include Sting, "The Princess Bride" and 19th century graphic design. Both co-hosts recount their extremely millennial work histories.
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Nov 19, 2020
Bonus: The "Twinkie Defense"
Was Harvey Milk's killer really given a light sentence after claiming that junk food made him do it? Mike's spinoff podcast, Maintenance Phase, dives into the rumor and finds a very You're Wrong About twist.
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Nov 16, 2020
The Electoral College
Topical episode! Special guest Jamelle Bouie tells Sarah and Mike about his problematic Founding Father faves and the bewildering institution they handed down to us. Digressions include '70s lapels, "Reversal of Fortune" and the Eurovision Song Contest. The filibuster rule and the three-fifths compromise receive bonus debunkings.
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Nov 9, 2020
Princess Diana Part 5: The Crash
“You can be a hot mess express and still leave the world better than you found it.” In the final episode of our series, we talk about Diana’s untimely death and the everlasting conspiracy theories surrounding it. Digressions include RPGs, Madonna and Tickle Me Elmo. This episode contains spoilers for the movie “The Queen.”
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https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/11/09/princess-diana-part-5/
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Nov 2, 2020
Princess Diana Part 4: The Divorce
This week, Diana leaves the royal family with her reputation intact and her title slightly edited. Digressions include "Love Actually," "Pride and Prejudice" and Marie Antoinette. Both co-hosts reveal their staunch affirmative stance on wine moms. Unfortunately, this episode includes descriptions of self-harm.
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Oct 31, 2020
Halloween Re-Release: The Exxon Valdez Oil Spill
What if the scariest thing in America is unfettered capitalism and unaccountable corporations?
Sources: https://rottenindenmark.org/2018/06/30/the-exxon-valdez-oil-spill/
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Oct 29, 2020
Bonus: Why Are Dads on "Terminator 2"
Mike comes on Sarah’s new show to talk about robots, dads, the little metal hands guys and "Terminator 2: Judgment Day." An Oops! All Pop Culture episode of You’re Wrong About.
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Oct 22, 2020
Bonus: The President's Physical Fitness Test
Mike has a new podcast! Here's the first episode, in which he debunks the absurd Cold War trauma factory that was once administered to 75% of American children.
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Oct 19, 2020
Halloween Special: Creepy Encounters
This week, Mike and Sarah dissect the Creepy Encounters subreddit and how to handle our creepy feelings in an unsafe time and place. Digressions include Carol Kane, McDonald's and Uber. Sarah wonders if human traffickers have taken serial killers’ jobs.
Here's Mike's new podcast! http://maintenancephase.com
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* "I was almost sex trafficked and didn’t realize until nearly a year later"
* "Homeless lady approaches my car while i’m eating alone at the Mcdonald’s, doesn’t realize i’m not stupid"
* "Do not let your Uber Driver cancel your ride while in the car"
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Oct 12, 2020
Princess Diana Part 3: The Affairs
This week, Diana swaps out her husband for a Horse Dude and Mike and Sarah act out other people's PG-13 dirty talk. Digressions include shoulder pads, Billy Joel and "Seinfeld" (twice!). There's a moment 55 minutes in that is going to make you feel very weird. As with previous installments, this episode contains detailed descriptions of disordered eating.
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https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/10/11/princess-diana-part-3-the-affairs/
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Oct 5, 2020
Princess Diana Part 2: The Wedding
This week, Diana gets married, joins her new family and meets the press.
Digressions include Judy Garland, Edward Cullen and the AITA subreddit. Unfortunately, this episode includes detailed descriptions of suicide attempts and eating disorders.
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Sep 28, 2020
Princess Diana Part 1: The Courtship
We start our new series with the story of a girl, a prince and the society that convinced them they liked each other. Digressions include camels, Beyoncé and the idiosyncrasies of British place names. We're sorry to say that this episode has detailed descriptions of disordered eating.
Here's a link to the photos and clips we discuss in this episode: https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/09/28/princess-diana-part-1-the-courtship/
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* Andrew Morton's "Diana: Her True Story in Her Own Words"
* Tina Brown's "The Diana Chronicles"
* Hillary Mantel's "Royal Bodies"
* Zoë Heller's "Where Prince Charles Went Wrong" (Mike said it was Adam Gopnik on the show! That sucks and he's sorry!)
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Sep 21, 2020
Killer Clowns
For our 100th episode, American Hysteria host Chelsey Weber-Smith visits our campfire to tell us about the time America was besieged by a killer clown panic ... and then the time it happened all over again. Digressions include Jon Stewart, "The Blair Witch Project" and John Wayne Gacy. Sarah coyly references the Hartford circus fire several times but no one seems to notice.”
If you want to skip the 100th-episode stuff, the Clown Content begins around 10:15.
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Chelsey's "Phantom Clowns" episode:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/american-hysteria/id1441348407
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Sep 14, 2020
Tuskegee Syphilis Study Part 2: The Truth
“It’s like these men are being held in a bubble as science marches forward.” Mike tells Sarah how one of history's most unethical experiments came crashing down. Digressions include the history of penicillin, the power of TV movies and the mysterious diagnosis of "Satan's crabs." This episode is happier than the last one, but still contains a lot of racist language and some grisly Nazi examples toward the beginning.
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* Under the Shadow of Tuskegee: African Americans and Health Care
* Examining Tuskegee: The Infamous Syphilis Study and Its Legacy
* Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
* Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present
* The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Medical Research versus Human Rights
* “There Wasn't a Lot of Comforts in Those Days:” African Americans, Public Health, and the 1918 Influenza Epidemic
*…
Sep 8, 2020
Tuskegee Syphilis Study Part 1: The Lie
Mike tells Sarah about the longest "non-therapeutic" experiment in medical history. Digressions include deep fried ice cream, Kato Kaelin and a hot-yoga cabinet. As a warning, this episode contains long quotes from eugenic memos and detailed descriptions of medical racism. We promise to do a happier episode soon.
Huge thanks to Susan Reverby, Vanessa Northington Gamble and Lillian Head for helping Mike with the research for this episode!
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* Under the Shadow of Tuskegee: African Americans and Health Care
* Examining Tuskegee: The Infamous Syphilis Study and Its Legacy
* Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
* Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present
* The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Medical Research versus Human Rights
* Rethinking the Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Nurse Rivers, Silence and the Meaning of Treatment
* “There…
Aug 31, 2020
Deep Dive Week 4: Nancy Grace v. The Constitution
This week, Sarah makes a Nancy Grace-style argument against the prosecution. Digressions include '90s romantic comedies, Betty Broderick and flatscreen TVs.
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Aug 27, 2020
Bonus Episode! Sarah’s New Podcast “Why Are Dads”
Sarah tells Mike about her new foray into Dad Studies and, for the second time this week, discusses a horror movie about families from 1975 and sings a little.
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Aug 24, 2020
The Stepford Wives
Sarah tells Mike about the real-life conspiracy written between the lines of a 1970s horror novel. Digressions include "Rosemary's Baby (again), Disney World (of course), a brief history of the American pharmaceutical industry and a long recipe for stew.
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* "She Touched Me" from "Drat! The Cat!" -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G69_Fx_YVuU
* The Carousel of Progress- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmrSiJTMf7s
* The Magic Worlds of Walt Disney – National Geographic August 1963 -- https://disneyavenue.wordpress.com/category/national-geographic-aug-63/
* "More Work for Mother" by Ruth Schwartz Cowan https://www.google.com/books/edition/More_Work_For_Mother/9YM1tAEACAAJ?hl=en
* "The Age of Anxiety" by Andrea Tone https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Age_of_Anxiety/sgkXBQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=age+of+anxiet…
Aug 10, 2020
Wayfair and Human Trafficking Statistics
In another "mini" episode that accidentally turned mega, Mike tells Sarah about the Wayfair conspiracy theory and the sketchy statistical screenshots that have shown up in its wake. Digressions include "Inside Llewyn Davis," Miranda Priestley and (sigh) Jeffrey Epstein. This episode contains, we're sorry to say, detailed descriptions of child abuse.
We recommend listening to this episode alongside our "Human Trafficking" episode from last year, which contains much more context for understanding this issue: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/human-trafficking/id1380008439?i=1000465289965
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Aug 3, 2020
Disco Demolition Night
Mike tells Sarah how a silly sports promotion galvanized a reactionary movement. Digressions include “Charlotte’s Web,” Jane Fonda and German-language musicals. Songs are dissected; the honor of David Bowie and late-night salad bars are defended.
Huge thanks to historians Tavia Nyong'o, Eric Gonzaba, Luis-Manuel Garcia and Gillian Frank for helping Mike with this episode!
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* Tavia Nyong'o's "I Feel Love: Disco and Its Discontents"
* Gillian Frank's excellent article on disco and his delightful podcast
* Luis-Manuel Garcia's alternate history of club culture and dissection of the gay left's opposition to disco
* Alice Echols' "Hot Stuff"
* Bill Brewster and Frank Broughton's "Last Night a DJ Saved My Life: The History of the Disc Jockey"
* Tim Lawrence's "Love Saves the Day: A History of Amer…
Jul 27, 2020
Murder
Mike tells Sarah about the most common forms of violence in America and how they differ (twist!) from what gets shown on TV. Digressions include Perry Mason, “It’s A Wonderful Life” and fruit-toting strategies. Mike appears not to understand the meaning of the term “order of magnitude.”
This episode contains descriptions of police violence; the last 15 minutes are just a huge bummer generally.
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* Monica Bell's "Anti-Segregation Policing"
* Daanika Gordon's "The Police as Place-Consolidators: The Organizational Amplification of Urban Inequality”
* "Homicide Investigations in Context: Exploring Explanations for the Divergent Impacts of Victim Race, Gender, Elderly Victims, and Firearms on Homicide Clearances"
* "Homicide Arrest Clearances: A Review of the Literature"
* "Assessing and Responding to…
Jul 20, 2020
Deep Dive Week 3: Nancy Grace v. The Jury
This week, Sarah walks Mike through Nancy Grace’s prosecution of American juries. Cameos include Mark Geragos (again), O.J. Simpson (inevitably) and Jessica Hahn (thank God). Gus Van Sant’s masterpiece "To Die For" is discussed at length.
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Jul 16, 2020
Bonus Episode! Sarah and Mike on "The Feminist Present" Podcast
Sarah and Mike tell Laura and Adrian about how we met, how we research and what we would say to Jessica Simpson if we ever met her.
Follow the The Feminist Present here: gender.stanford.edu/podcast
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Jul 13, 2020
Deep Dive Week 2: Nancy Grace v. The Defense
This week, Nancy Grace makes her case against defense attorneys in general and Scott Peterson’s lawyer in particular. Digressions include Batman, tough on crime mixtapes and the Iraq War. After two and a half years, Sarah finds her first Satanic cult — but maybe the real Satanic cults are the friends we made along the way.
This episode summarizes the cases in Nancy Grace’s "Objection!," which include two child molestation and murder cases and a lengthy description of the autopsy report on the deaths of Laci and Connor Peterson.
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Jul 6, 2020
Koko The Gorilla
“It’s interesting that we became enthusiastic about ASL in the process of teaching it to a population that couldn’t benefit from it.”
Mike tells Sarah about a very special ape and the very problematic humans around her. Digressions include video dating, "Biography" and the terrible terrible inventor of the telephone. We start with a SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT about the future of the show. Both co-hosts understand the difference between chimps, monkeys and apes but occasionally misspeak.
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Jun 29, 2020
Courtney Love
Special guest Candace Opper tells Mike and Sarah how a grunge star became the protagonist in one of America's most persistent conspiracy theories. Digressions include Neil Young, protest songs and the coolest baby of the 1990s. Mike continues to mine his public school education for anatomically impossible rumors.
This episode contains detailed descriptions of suicide.
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Jun 25, 2020
"The Prom Mom"
“The criminal justice system should treat everyone like a white teenage girl whose future it’s concerned about disrupting.”
Sarah tells Mike about Melissa Drexler, the New Jersey teenager who (according to George F. Will) killed her newborn baby due to the influence of Metallica and the United States Supreme Court. Digressions include Baby Moses laws, “Citizen Ruth” and Ted Bundy’s political leanings. To the surprise of no one, we end up discussing true crime tropes in great detail.
This episode contains detailed descriptions of neonaticide.
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Jun 18, 2020
Deep Dive: Nancy Grace's "Objection!" (Week 1)
Sarah tells Mike how a superhero’s genesis was a supervillain’s origin story all along. In our new deep dive, we tackle Nancy Grace’s “Objection!” and debate how defendants should behave at trial, why prosecutors seem to make good daytime TV stars and whether Nancy really came to New York City with a curling iron and a dream.
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Jun 17, 2020
The O.J. Simpson Trial: The Bronco Chase
On June 17, 1994, the world screeched to a halt so 95 million Americans could watch a white SUV crawl through L.A. Today, we finally talk about the infamous Bronco chase, the men inside the car and the myth they left behind. Digressions include “The Fugitive,” Larry King and Jack Nicholson twice. Like previous episodes about the events of this day, this episode discusses suicidal ideation.
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Jun 8, 2020
Quarantine Deep Dive: Jessica Simpson’s “Open Book” (The Conclusion!)
“You really shouldn’t date people who go in thinking, ’This person has good bones but they’re a fixer-upper.’”
This week, we complete our Jessica Simpson book club with the appearance of a new man who triggers some old anxieties. Digressions include Dolly Parton, mom jeans and a forgotten Hollywood power couple. We talk about “Garden State” longer than we intended. Mike finally gets to tell the octopus story, which he thinks about all the time.
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Jun 4, 2020
Re-Release: The Stonewall Uprising
In honor of Pride Month and revolutions past, present, and future, we're re-releasing our episode on the Stonewall Uprising. Let the sunshine in.
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Jun 1, 2020
Anastasia
“I’m being pulled into planet myth … and I like it here.”
Special guest Dana Schwartz tells Mike and Sarah how a short, brutal story became an enduring myth. Digressions include Titanic nostalgia, Princess Jasmine and Dr. Phil. A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Rasputin, Russia’s greatest love machine.
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May 28, 2020
Quarantine Deep Dive: Jessica Simpson’s “Open Book” (Week 3)
We discuss Jessica's reality-show marriage and its painfully ordinary end. Digressions include "Showgirls," "The Notebook" and Adam Levine. "Hamlet" makes an appearance; Willie Nelson and Lynda Carter give sage advice. Mike apologizes for things out of his control.
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May 25, 2020
The Disappearance of Chandra Levy
“It’s a mess and a nightmare and maybe it’s disingenuous to think you can turn the story of someone being murdered into anything else.”
Mike tells Sarah about a missing intern, a shady politician and a nationwide obsession. Digressions include speed dial, “La La Land” and Perry Mason. The Summer of the Shark gets a bonus debunking.
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May 14, 2020
Quarantine Deep Dive: Jessica Simpson’s “Open Book” (Week 2)
“Her parents’ financial success is dependent on her abdomen.” This week, Jessica moves to L.A., records a video and meets a boy. The celebrity cameos escalate. Digressions include overalls, werewolves and Judy Garland. This episode unfortunately contains detailed descriptions of disordered eating.
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May 7, 2020
Quarantine Deep Dive: Jessica Simpson’s “Open Book” (Week 1)
Our journey through late-'90s pop stardom begins with an intervention and ends with an audition. Digressions include Willie Nelson, Ozzy Osbourne, Jane Fonda and the cast of the Mickey Mouse Club. Sarah’s English degree and exercise habits make appearances. This episode, we're sorry to say, contains descriptions of sexual abuse.
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May 4, 2020
The Y2K Bug
Mike tells Sarah how an obscure technical glitch became a nationwide mobilization. Digressions include Twitter beefs, “The Net” and VHS pricing. We spend much of the episode roasting our own work from the relatively recent past.
Correction: It seems the women in Britain didn't terminate their pregnancies due to the false positive test results. We were wrong about this and we're sorry!
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Apr 30, 2020
Quarantine Book Club: “Michelle Remembers” (Week 5)
We conclude our book club with Michelle's escape from the dungeon. The dead baby trend continues; Jesus, the Virgin Mary and Satan’s fingernails make brief appearances. Digressions include Dustin Hoffman, “Total Eclipse of the Heart” and things that rhyme with Beelzebub. This episode contains references to child abuse and sexual assault.
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Apr 27, 2020
The O.J. Simpson Trial: When Kato Met Marcia
Sarah tells Mike about the clash of the titans, the fury at the grand jury. We follow Kato, the wise fool of the kingdom, for the week between the murders and the Bronco chase. Digressions include John Travolta, French kickboxing movies and "The Mummy." The celebrity cameos are less numerous than usual but no less absurd.
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Apr 23, 2020
Quarantine Book Club: “Michelle Remembers” (Week 4)
This week, our lithe psychiatrist takes his favorite patient hiking, a priest burns some furniture and Michelle tries to escape her remembering. This episode contains descriptions of kitten sacrifice, sexual abuse and three more dead babies.
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Apr 16, 2020
Quarantine Book Club: “Michelle Remembers” (Week 3)
Sarah and Mike continue into the depths. With Dr. Pazder home from Mexico, he and Michelle continue their journey into her subconscious, and the stories continue to get weirder. This episode contains kitten sacrifice, and the first—but not the last—dead baby of the Satanic panic.
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Apr 13, 2020
Marie Antoinette
“What’s sad about her has nothing to do with the content of her character.” Special guest Dana Schwartz tells Mike and Sarah how an Austrian princess became a French scapegoat. Digressions include Rubik’s Cubes, Taylor Swift and Tom Stoppard. The use of the word “bawdy” exceeds all previous episodes combined.
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Apr 6, 2020
Quarantine Book Club: “Michelle Remembers” (Week 2)
Sarah and Mike continue their journey into the book that launched a thousand lawsuits. Michelle and Dr. Pazder’s relationship grows more troubling by the chapter. Digressions include orgy etiquette, sheepskin jackets and “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.” Neither co-host believes anything depicted in this book happened as described, but still want to warn you that it contains scenes of torture and sexual abuse.
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Apr 2, 2020
The Exploding Ford Pinto
Mike tells Sarah about a dying industry, a dangerous car and the Pulitzer Prize-winning article that misrepresented them both. Digressions include “Mission Impossible,” “Friday the 13th” and the naming conventions of academic articles. This episode contains a larger-than-usual number of dad jokes and a shocking revelation about Johnny Carson.
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Mar 26, 2020
Quarantine Book Club: “Michelle Remembers” (Week 1)
Sarah describes the spark that ignited the Satanic Panic. Our setting is a therapist’s office in 1976 Victoria, B.C., and our digressions include Sybil, scary paperbacks from the 80s and shouting "Fire!" on a crowded theater. This episode describes child abuse.
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Mar 23, 2020
D.C. Snipers Part 4
In the final chapter of our series on the D.C. sniper attacks, Mike finally tells Sarah about the D.C. sniper attacks. Digressions include “The Abyss,” Ed Rooney and Jack the Ripper. We begin the episode with an update on our quarantine plans. Sarah misremembers the name of the TV show she was on.
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Mar 9, 2020
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Marcia Clark Part 2
Sarah tells Mike about a week in the life of Marcia Clark, who became America’s most famous prosecutor on June 13, 1994. Digressions include car phones, college group work and “Titanic” (as usual). In keeping with the theme of this episode, Sarah had a bad feeling about recording without her mic screen, but Mike said it would be fine. Please excuse our p-pops.This episode contains descriptions of murder and sexual violence.
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Feb 24, 2020
D.C. Snipers Part 3
Mike tells Sarah about the indoctrination of Lee Boyd Malvo and the beginning of the sniper attacks. Digressions include Jonestown, Greek tragedy and something called “creepy crawling.” The episode begins with a lengthy meta-discussion of true-crime tropes and whether we are playing into them. The final section includes a detailed description of a suicide attempt.
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Feb 14, 2020
Valentine’s Day Re-Release: Anna Nicole Smith
Valentine’s Day re-release! Sarah and Mike reflect on one of the only love stories they’ve ever covered on the show.
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Feb 10, 2020
Why Didn’t Anyone Go to Prison for the Financial Crisis?
“Every big fish you catch, you end up with a hole in the net.” Mike tells Sarah how America’s white-collar crime spree got so bad. Digressions include self-checkout kiosks, Barbie dolls and moonshine. Homeless shelters and teacher pay feature prominently. By the standards of this podcast, this episode is relatively upbeat.
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Feb 3, 2020
D.C. Snipers Part 2
Mike tells Sarah how a nice Jamaican kid became the disciple of a mean American adult. Digressions include Tonya Harding (of course), “Sliding Doors” (again) and Anne of Green Gables (Sarah has an English degree). Mildred re-appears just after the hour mark. We are unable to conceive of a content warning comprehensive enough for all the horrors contained in this episode. There is less crying in this episode than the last in this series, but only slightly.
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Jan 20, 2020
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Kato Kaelin Part 2
Sarah tells Mike the ending to the story of the mimbo and the alibi. Digressions include O. Henry, Nigerian e-mail scams and Dave Coulier. Mike wildly over-simplifies the Brexit vote.
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Jan 6, 2020
D.C. Snipers Part 1
“If you’re black, you can’t get work as a serial killer even if you’re manifestly qualified.” Mike tells Sarah how a military veteran became an abuser, a murderer and, eventually, a footnote in his own crime spree. Digressions include Jim Jones, the Addams Family and “The Gillooly Gang.” The episode gets super dark about two-thirds in, but brightens just before the big twist. We describe—again, unfortunately—domestic abuse in great detail.
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Dec 16, 2019
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Kato Kaelin Part 1
Sarah tells Mike how an aspiring actor protected and then betrayed Nicole Brown Simpson without knowing he was doing either. Digressions include '80s movie tropes, ski-resort etiquette and the need for a process of "un-faming." Unfortunately, this episode contains graphic descriptions of violence and abuse.
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Dec 2, 2019
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Paula Barbieri Part 2
"There’s no precedent for women in this family being treated like they matter."
Sarah tells Mike about the Bronco chase as Paula Barbieri experienced it. Then, she recounts how a poor kid from Panama City, Florida, made it all the way to the high-fashion world of Paris, France—and discovered that she had jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. Sarah continues to compare everyone to Erin Brockovich.
This episode begins with a lengthy discussion of O.J. Simpson's suicide attempt on the day of the Bronco chase. We go on to describe scenes of domestic violence and attempted sexual assault; Paula deserved better.
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Nov 25, 2019
Human Trafficking
Mike tells Sarah how NGOs, activists and George W. Bush resurrected the 'stranger danger' panic for the modern era. Digressions include Reply All, muffins and Yelp for massage parlors. Mike's vocal fry is even worse than usual.
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Nov 14, 2019
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Marcia Clark Part 1
Sarah tells Mike how Marcia Clark got the slam-dunk case that ended her career as a trial lawyer. Digressions include string cheese, "Inception" and what calling women "difficult" means in 2019. We go on the record in favor of a wide range of frivolous hobbies.
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Nov 1, 2019
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Paula Barbieri Part 1
"Centering conversations around blame is not the most useful thing for us to be doing." Sarah tells Mike about the woman who broke up with O.J. Simpson on the morning of the murders — then stayed by his side through the trial. Michael Bolton makes an extended cameo appearance.
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Oct 17, 2019
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Nicole Brown Simpson Part 2
“You can’t expect people to know the exact kind of help they need.”
We continue our deep dive into the O.J. Simpson case with the history of Nicole Brown Simpson's marriage to O.J., their 1992 divorce and the last weeks of Nicole's life. Digressions include Julia Roberts, Malibu real estate and Madonna’s "Erotica." Mike is fighting a cold and apologizes for his raspiness. This episode contains even greater detail on the violence and domestic abuse Nicole suffered.
Plus, a correction! Sarah forgot to mention that O.J. Simpson received two years of probation for the 1989 incident.
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Oct 3, 2019
The O.J. Simpson Trial: Nicole Brown Simpson Part 1
Mike and Sarah begin their epic journey into O.J. Simpson's trial for the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, beginning with the story of Nicole's life with O.J. until their marriage in 1985. This episode contains descriptions of violence and domestic abuse. Like so many of the women we talk about, Nicole deserved better.
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Sep 19, 2019
The Wardrobe Malfunction
Our first live show! Mike tells Sarah about Janet Jackson, the 2004 Super Bowl Halftime show and the 9/16ths of a second that destroyed her career. Digressions include Puff Daddy, Jessica Simpson and Edward James Olmos. Like all positive developments regarding this show, performing live is something we feel weird about and so we spent the first few minutes talking about it!
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Sep 10, 2019
‘Yoko Ono Broke Up The Beatles’
Mike tells Sarah how the myth of meddling wives serves to exonerate terrible husbands. Digressions include "50 Shades of Grey," Marie Antoinette and the end of the 1960s. This episode, we’re sorry to say, contains descriptions of domestic abuse.
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Aug 22, 2019
Gangs
“Isn’t it amazing how we can only imagine our monsters capitalistically?” Mike tells Sarah how police, prosecutors and journalists accidentally conspired to invent the perfect suburban menace. Digressions include IKEA, the "Godfather" trilogy and Fleetwood Mac. Mike takes big gulping breaths when he reads out loud.
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Aug 16, 2019
The Victims’ Rights Movement
“When you allow emotion into the courtroom, bias rushes in alongside it.” Special guest Rachel Monroe tells Mike and Sarah how a good-faith critique of the justice system led to a decades-long crackdown. Digressions include Charles Manson, Ronald Reagan and a billionaire mugshot. Mike’s similes are worse than Sarah’s.
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Aug 7, 2019
Sex Offenders
“Things are not going to get better if we make the people who scare us seem more powerful.” Mike tells Sarah about the myths of sex crimes, the reality of child abuse and the importance of unsympathetic protagonists. Digressions include frozen pizza, millennials (obvs) and vaccination rates. Mike can only name one state that borders Nevada.
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Jul 26, 2019
Tonya Harding Part 2
“The story that did the most damage to the people in it was the one that made the most money.” Sarah tells Mike about the low-rent conspiracy that sparked a ratings bonanza. Digressions include "Out of Sight," Robert De Niro and the ancient sexting technology known as landlines. Mike continues to laugh confusedly at references he does not know.
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Jul 18, 2019
Tonya Harding Part 1
Sarah tells Mike the story of a world-class figure skater who worked at a mall potato restaurant. Digressions include “Sleepless in Seattle,” mall walkers, synchronized diving and the difficulty of skating a perfect pentagram. This episode unfortunately contains descriptions of physical, emotional and sexual abuse. Tonya deserved better.
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Jun 27, 2019
The Stonewall Uprising
“Humans aren’t good at remembering what got us where we are.” Mike tells Sarah how a turning point in the gay rights movement became an immediate controversy, a lasting inspiration and a never-ending debate. Digressions include “Newsies” (of course), “True Romance” and “Norma Rae.” Mike's creaking chair and Sarah's rustling blanket-fort are heard throughout.
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Jun 20, 2019
Kitty Genovese and “Bystander Apathy”
“Once you tell a story incorrectly once, you can’t control where it goes.” Sarah tells Mike how The New York Times turned a suburban murder into an urban legend. Digressions include Billy Joel, the World’s Fair and “Ferngully.” This episode marks a triumphant return to Long Island and an unexpected celebration of Pride Month.
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Jun 11, 2019
Sexting
“We’re uncomfortable with the evidence that teen girls have sexual agency.” Special guest Amy Hasinoff tells Mike and Sarah how a moral panic became a legal nightmare. Digressions include Cosmo advice columns, Grindr etiquette and the revolutionary hugging of the "Avengers" movies. Due to the ongoing hex placed on this podcast, the sound quality is worse than usual.
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Jun 5, 2019
The American Taliban
“He’s been punished even more than the American prison system can aspire to punish anyone”: Mike tells Sarah how John Walker Lindh became a terrorist in the media, a freedom fighter in his own mind and something between the two in reality. Digressions include “Newsies," Bruce Willis and “Candide.” Sarah sneakily reveals her lifelong affection for Howard Stern.
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May 28, 2019
Exorcism
"It just seems like capitalism masquerading as religion": Sarah tells Mike how a horror movie resurrected a ritual and established an industry. Digressions include “Avatar,” the NFL and the ethics of book publishing. The final five minutes are an unintentionally concise description of the core moral principle of this show.
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May 16, 2019
Homelessness
“We want stories that don’t exist in systems”: Mike tells Sarah what happened when Utah set out to solve one of America's most intractable problems. Digressions include the Paleo diet, the planet Mars and the inadequacy of the term “up the river.” Jimmy Carter makes an extended cameo appearance.
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May 9, 2019
Dan Quayle v. Murphy Brown
“Why did we make fun of Dan Quayle for misspelling the word ‘potato’ when we should have made fun of him for arguments like this?” Mike tells Sarah how a real vice president blamed a fictional single mom for causing one of the most divisive events of the 1990s. Digressions include "Designing Women," "Alien" and "The Brady Bunch." Listeners finally learn that Sarah has a lovely singing voice.
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Apr 25, 2019
Elián González
Mike tells Sarah how a 5-year-old kid transformed a city, divided a political party and (maybe) determined a presidential election. Digressions include World War II, Clarence Darrow and something called "Like, News with Skeeter." Both co-hosts conclude that this episode is somehow an equal-parts mixture of Satanic Panic and Terri Schiavo.
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Apr 18, 2019
The Preppy Murder
Sarah tells Mike how an aspiring rich kid became an emblem of a world he didn't belong to. Digressions include drill teams, prep schools and eating disorders. The p-pops are worse than usual.
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Apr 4, 2019
The “Ebonics” Controversy
Mike tells Sarah how a simple idea in a single school district became a nationwide racial panic. Digressions include slasher movies, Space Invaders and homeschooling. The taglines are becoming more esoteric.
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Mar 5, 2019
Terri Schiavo
Mike tells Sarah how the media, the president and the Pope turned a simple medical story into a complicated legal one. Digressions include canine loyalty, unionized space-workers and polyamory logistics. Both co-hosts recorded in tiny rooms, but with very different acoustics.
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Feb 20, 2019
Anna Nicole Smith
Sarah tells Mike how a poor Texas girl made herself into an icon and America made her into a punchline. Digressions include massage technique, “Death Becomes Her” and (obviously) “The Godfather.” Mike sounds even sicker than he did last week.
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Feb 15, 2019
Acid Rain
Mike tells Sarah how an environmental problem became a national rallying cry, a sticky diplomatic issue and, eventually, a conspiracy theory. Digressions include “Alien,” Field & Stream and NRA public service announcements. Both hosts are recovering from colds and one spends the episode under a blanket.
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Feb 7, 2019
Gary Hart
Sarah tells Mike how a sex scandal ruined a rising star and established a new template for American elections. Digressions include "Good Will Hunting," People Magazine and Linda Ronstadt. Michael Dukakis is described, for the first time ever, as "the soulmate who was there all along."
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Jan 25, 2019
Tammy Faye Bakker and Jessica Hahn
“She only said one thing her whole life”: Sarah tells Mike how two decent women became scapegoats for the actions of one terrible man. Digressions include Larry Flynt, NPR tote bags and Playboy back issues. This episode contains a detailed description of a sexual assault.
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Jan 16, 2019
Enron
Mike tells Sarah how a "bad apples” explanation kept us from seeing the real scandal at the heart of America's largest corporate bankruptcy. Digressions include “Casino,” Thanksgiving economics and corruption catchphrases. Neither co-host truly understands how the stock market works.
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Jan 3, 2019
The Challenger Disaster
It wasn’t an accident. Mike tells Sarah how the infamous space shuttle disaster came to be seen as a white-collar crime. Digressions include the Donner Party, George Lucas and “Jurassic Park.” Both co-hosts are audibly recovering from colds.
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Dec 19, 2018
“A Dingo’s Got My Baby”
Sarah tells Mike how a tragic story became a hacky catchphrase. Digressions include raccoon anarchists, flu remedies and late-night Arby’s. Sarah's Google Alerts will surprise none of our listeners.
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Dec 12, 2018
The 2000 Election
Mike tells Sarah how a close election and an even closer Supreme Court decision established the political template we're still living with today. Digressions include quarks, Ouija Boards and (sorry) moral philosophy. The "lemonade theory" turns out to be less fun than it sounds.
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Dec 3, 2018
Amy Fisher
Sarah tells Mike about the sad reality — and the terrible man — behind the infamous Long Island Lolita. Digressions include software terms of service, the rise of beepers and Monica Lewinsky’s LinkedIn profile. Mike, a 36-year-old man, appears not to understand what pimps do.
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Nov 21, 2018
Roe v. Wade
Special guest Megan Burbank tells us about the history, limitations and loopholes of a landmark court ruling. Digressions include Betty Ford, "Maude" and naming conventions for anonymous defendants. The glories of Washington State politics are examined in depth.
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Nov 14, 2018
The Duke Lacrosse Rape Case
Mike tells Sarah how a false rape allegation became a right-wing rallying cry and a left-wing conspiracy theory. Digressions include JonBenet Ramsay, “24” and “The Vagina Monologues." Mike regrets not commenting on the metaphorical significance of being trapped in the closet throughout the episode.
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Nov 7, 2018
Lorena Bobbitt
Sarah tells Mike how a case of marital rape and spontaneous mutilation became a national punchline. Digressions include Ron Jeremy, Alan Dershowitz, Motörhead and the tortures of self-reflection. Sarah reviews John Wayne Bobbitt's later works.
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Oct 31, 2018
Stranger Danger
How inflated statistics, cultural anxieties and moral crusaders turned a tiny number of missing children into a decade-long political project. Digressions include 1870s parenting, “E.T.” and the lack of parks in Los Angeles. Both co-hosts secretly believe that the popularity of TV movies in the 1980s explains all of America’s social problems.
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Oct 24, 2018
Urban Legends Spectacular!
Razorblades in apples, babysitters on acid, killers in backseats and "rainbow parties": In this episode, Mike and Sarah investigate the scary stories Americans tell each other and discover the actual anxieties behind them. Turn on your high beams for this one.
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Oct 17, 2018
Halloween Special! Ed Gein and Slasher Movies
Sarah tells Mike how Ed Gein became one of America’s most famous serial killers despite not actually being one. Plus, the cinematic villains Gein inspired and what the slasher movies of the 1980s were really about. Digressions include Freud, summer camp logistics and the T-1000. Mike continues to awkwardly insert his teenage crushes into every conversation.
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Oct 8, 2018
Shaken Baby Syndrome
Mike tells Sarah how an over-simplified diagnosis, over-confident doctors and over-zealous prosecutors combined to get thousands of innocent parents thrown in prison. Digressions include food poisoning, Sherlock Holmes and 1950s medical ethics. Mike wanted to mention Louise Woodward but he forgot.
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Oct 1, 2018
Multiple Personality Disorder
Sarah tells Mike how pop culture created a two-decade-long obsession with multiple personality disorder and repressed memories. Digressions include Dead Poets Society, restless leg syndrome and the low editorial standards of the American publishing industry. The Satanic Panic makes a cameo appearance.
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Sep 19, 2018
The Obesity Epidemic
Mike tells Sarah that America has sent the wrong messages and done the wrong things about obesity for more than half a century. Digressions include height (again), sweatshops and Julianne Moore. Sarah and Mike’s mothers both make extended appearances.
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Sep 17, 2018
Columbine
Special guest Rachel Monroe (re-)joins Mike and Sarah to talk about all the myths surrounding the second-biggest news event of the 1990s. Digressions include car crashes, September 11, Diane Sawyer and the terrors of teenage journaling.
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Sep 10, 2018
Iran-Contra
Mike tells Sarah why the biggest scandal of Reagan's presidency provides more (depressing) lessons about current politics than Watergate. Digressions include Mormons, Top Gun and the X-Files. Both co-hosts have considered what they will name their deliberately boring tax-shelter corporations.
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Sep 1, 2018
Jeffrey Dahmer
Sarah tells Mike that shoddy policing (and Milwaukee generally) are responsible for one of America's most prolific serial killers. Digressions include panel vans, Anita Bryant, early man and Hannibal Lector. Mike struggles, as usual, not to cry during the gross parts.
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Aug 18, 2018
D.A.R.E.
Mike tells Sarah that the D.A.R.E. program did not, in fact, keep kids off drugs. But that’s just the beginning of the debunking. Digressions include Martin Scorsese, Iceland and control groups. Neither co-host was cool enough to be offered drugs in high school.
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Aug 4, 2018
Alpha Males
Sarah tells Mike that animal behavior is an imperfect template for human society. Digressions include rabbits, Bob’s Burgers and online dating. Mike makes an awkward observation about locker rooms.
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Jul 28, 2018
Kurt Cobain and “Copycat Suicide”
Special guest Candace Opper tells Mike and Sarah about how the death of a rock star changed the field of suicidology (which is a thing). Digressions include eating disorders, car crashes and the insane grimness of the term “family annihilation.” The cringe-worthiness of Mike’s teenage years reaches new depths.
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Jul 21, 2018
“The Godfather”
Sarah tells Mike about how America's favorite gangster movie is really its favorite killing-the-American-Dream movie. Digressions include the Mona Lisa, Bruce Springsteen and the tyranny of height-ism. The sound quality continues to worsen.
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Jul 14, 2018
10th Episode Spectacular!
Sarah and Mike take a break from debunking to reflect on the first 10 episodes and tell the secret history of how they met. Digressions include “Portlandia,” Snapchat and the The New York Post. The recording quality, as usual, is wildly inconsistent.
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Jun 30, 2018
The Exxon Valdez Oil Spill
Mike tells Sarah that America’s most devastating oil spill was not, in fact, a DUI. Digressions include “Titanic" (obviously), the Cuyahoga River, Jennifer Lopez and marshmallows. Punitive damages make a triumphant return. Mike, a professional writer, continues to misuse the word “literally.”
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Jun 25, 2018
Snuff Films
Sarah tells Mike about how snuff films don't exist but lots of near-snuff films do. Digressions include "Basic Instinct," gymnastics and YouTube’s righthand bar. Mike is palpably grossed out for at least two-thirds of the episode.
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Jun 16, 2018
The Jonestown Massacre
Special guest Rachel Monroe tells Mike and Sarah what's really behind the phrase “drinking the Kool-Aid.” Digressions include David Koresh, East Germany and how flower children were the first millennials. Mike inadvertently reveals his prejudice against extroverts.
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Jun 9, 2018
The Clinton Impeachment
Part two of our epic dissection of the Clinton impeachment scandal. This week: The story breaks, the House indicts, the Senate demurs and Mike rants more than usual about the media. Digressions include Mark Fuhrman, “Broadcast News” and gay porn.
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Jun 2, 2018
Monica Lewinsky
Sarah and Mike talk about what America forgot — and never learned — about history’s most famous intern. Digressions include generational resentments, 1990s fashion and off-brand colleges. Also, Mike’s microphone breaks about 25 minutes in, so he sounds like he’s recording in a submarine. Sorry!
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May 26, 2018
Anita Hill
Mike tells Sarah about the complicated legacy of Anita Hill and the not-particularly-complicated facts of her case. Digressions include “Tootsie," Garrison Keillor and the Donner party. Mike, for reasons unknown, seems to believe that one flies “down” from Charlotte, North Carolina, to Washington, D.C.
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May 20, 2018
Stockholm Syndrome
It’s not a real thing! … OR IS IT? Sarah tells Mike about the convoluted history of a contested term. Digressions include James Bond, Charlie Manson and rat poison.
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May 12, 2018
Matthew Shepard
But not how you think! Special guest Mike Owens tells Sarah and Mike about the (attempted) debunking of the gay-bashing victim. Digressions include Leopold and Loeb, Basic Instinct and Rolling Stone. The sound quality is even worse than usual.
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May 5, 2018
Afterschool Specials
Mike tells Sarah that the TV movies of her childhood were both less and more problematic than she remembers.
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May 4, 2018
Crack Babies
Sarah tells Mike about the long history of white anxiety over black motherhood.
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May 3, 2018
Going Postal
Mike tells Sarah about the rash of mass shootings carried out by postal workers in the '80s and '90s, then brings out the debunkin' turducken.
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May 2, 2018
The Satanic Panic
The 1980s were real but the Satanists weren't. Sarah tells Mike about why America spent a decade worried about witches running daycare centers.
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