This week's two guests on the Northern Agenda podcast are politicians on either side of the party divide, but each represent northern towns looking for answers about how best to move forward from their industrial pasts.
Lisa Nandy and Miriam Cates are both speaking at the Restitch Social Fabric Summit this week - a conference organised by think tank Onward about how to create more connected and rooted societies.
Miriam Cates, the Tory MP for Penistone and Stocksbridge, tells Northern Agenda editor Rob Parsons about how a manufacturing revival is needed if the steel town that dominates her constituency is to thrive.
And Lisa Nandy, Labour's shadow levelling up secretary, shares her party's vision for levelling up - and how she has told Michael Gove "not to get too comfortable in that new office in Wolverhampton" because she is sizing it up already.
The Northern Agenda is a Laudable production for Reach. It is presented by Rob Parsons and Daniel O'Donoghue, and it is produced by Daniel J. McLaughlin.
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