The Dan Nestle Show
Jan 15, 2021
033: Lynn Hazan: Relationships are Everything
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In this episode, Dan sits down with recruiter, marketer, and relationship builder Lynn Hazan, President of Lynn Hazan And Associates, a Chicago-based recruitment and consulting firm specializing in placing communications and marketing professionals nationwide. With an international, multicultural, and multilingual background, Lynn understands the value and importance of learning and empathy when bringing people together. In her case, it’s mainly for careers, but her lessons extrapolate across all facets of life. She and Dan discuss the importance of empathy, trust, and even creativity in building relationships that last a lifetime.
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Oct 27, 2023
Antisemitism In Our Time - A Dan Nestle Show Interlude
In this special episode, Dan shares his thoughts on the rapid rise in antisemitism in the weeks after Hamas brutally and barbarically murdered, maimed, raped, and kidnapped innocent Israelis, tourists, and visiting workers in southern Israel on October 7, 2023. These terrorists, on the worst day for Jews since the Holocaust, murdered approximately 1500 innocents, injured thousands more, and took over 200 hostages - including infants, children, elderly, disabled, and ill people from 33 countries. And they recorded all of it.
Despite these atrocities and the incontrovertible evidence of the October 7 pogrom, despite the fact that innocents were deliberately attacked and the Hamas terrorists paraded hostages and dead bodies through the streets of Gaza amidst joyful crowds, despite the fact that Israeli babies were beheaded, despite the fact that Hamas openly calls for the elimination of the State of Israel and explicitly calls on its followers to kill Jews wherever they find them...despite all of this, anti-Israel, pro-Hamas, and - yes - antisemitic groups around the world took less than a day to start rallies, protests, marches, and a PR blitz AGAINST Israel and Jews. These despicable groups - a metastatic cancer that has spread around the world - have denied the atrocities and justified the Hamas attacks under any number of abhorrent ideologies. It wasn't long before synagogues were burning, Jewish property defaced and damaged, Jewish businesses vandalized, and violent incidents targeting Jewish people - including children, students, and the elderly - became a daily occurrence.
This inhumanity, this evil scourge of antisemitism, has deep roots in academia, religion, culture, and history. It has been the lifeblood of those who have persecuted and oppressed Jews for over two millennia. It has led to expulsions, pogroms, and the Holocaust. It has afflicted 15 million people presently living on Earth with an ever-present anxiety and fear of extermination. And now it is undeniably on the rise again, fueling Jew hatred everywhere.
Why, then, is antisemitism ignored and denied? Why is it that our cowardly leaders can't say antisemitism without also invoking Islamophobia and generic hate? Why have CEOs and influencers who were and are so quick to support BLM, Ukraine, the Trans movement, anti-Asian hate, and a multitude of other causes, remained silent? Why have university professors, student groups, and administrators gone completely and utterly mad?
You won't find the answers in this episode. But you will find food for thought and a working definition of antisemitism that is a good place to start. Please listen, absorb, and think about how you can fight antisemitism or, at a bare minimum, see it for what it is.
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Featured in this episode:
The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) Working Definition of Antisemitism
Special thanks to The Commentary Magazine Podcast's October 23, 2023 episode with Michal Cotler-Wunsh, Israel's special envoy for combatting antisemitism, for inspiring me to do this.
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Sep 28, 2023
114: How Emotion and Intuition are Powerful Career Tools with Sara McElroy
In this episode, Dan sits down with marketer, author, and two-time resigner turned bonafide career transition master Sara J. McElroy. Sara’s journey looks a lot like the picture of success: academic achievement followed by a steady rise in marketing and ultimately to a CMO role. But in the midst of the Great Resignation, her battles with overwork, toxic workplaces, health crises, and sexual harassment all led to two resignations, a spiritual awakening, personal empowerment, and a mission to help women find their voices and take charge of their careers. Now, as founder and CEO of Raze to Rise, she’s on a mission to “uplift the voices of women from the Great Resignation across diverse walks of life, industries, functions, and career stages” and empower women to “make bold career moves.”
She and Dan cover a lot of ground as Sara challenges conventional, “rational” career choices and argues that emotions, intuition, and physiology have a massive role to play in making life-changing decisions. Here’s a taste of what you’ll learn about through their conversation:
* How and when to manage your career.
* Career management is a mindset and an inside job.
* The most important times in your career before making the leap.
* Career transitions can be messy and it’s necessary … the Messcessary.
* The life experience that prompted a life change.
* The unlikely gift of Shingles.
* Getting off the grid can often be the best thing.
* Most professionals need more than a weekend to plot their next moves.
* The critical role sexual harassment played in her life choices.
* Seeing the connections of random events.
* Forward-thinking themes that came from the pandemic, especially for women.
* The value of self-discovery and the role it plays in balancing life.
* We can have a plan, but until we experience it, we don’t know.
* Missing the senses of when it’s time to move on.
* How to learn and leverage body signals.
* The danger of internal capitalism.
Notable Quotes:
* “The moments of our careers that are most impactful are the ones that are coming in the in-between, not the big moment of turning in the resignation and walking out the door.” (4:26), Sara.
* “I just had the idea that if I just follow the playbook, that perfect life playbook where you climb the ladder and chase the fancier titles and fatter paychecks, and everything will work out.” – (9:01), Sara.
* “I went off to Peru and began reconnecting with the parts of me that weren’t just lost over the last couple of years and even childhood.” – (13:01), Sara.
* “The lather, rinse, repeat of our current lifestyle keeps us really stuck.” – (14:40), Sara.
* “Valedictorians by in large don’t become leaders.” – (19:44), Dan.
* “Sexual harassment is not a style.” – (25:22), Sara.
* “I felt like I could not be the only woman who was getting mired in the spin cycle of being burnout, overwhelm, toxic culture.” – (32:20), Sara.
* “Designing a fulfilling career is an inside job.” (34:27), Sara.
* “The expression listen to your gut is more than just a metaphor.” – (36:35), Dan.
* “Our bodies are hardwired for experience of joy and bliss.” – (42:55), Sara.
* “We are built to move through all of the things we’re facing in life through our senses.” – (45:19), Sara.
* “In a professional world, you’re kind of like a brain, floating around in an apparatus that allows you to execute what you need to do.” – (50:40), Sara.
* “We have been taught to ignore the signs that things are not working for us.” – (51:27), Sara.
* “Disease is the last attempt to get our attention when we’re doing things that are not good for us.”- (51:27), Sara.
* “We have the ability to feel into what we think is good.” – (54:44), Sara.
* “It’s also important to meditate.” (1:01:08), Sara.
* “When consequences are larger and bigger and weighs on you, you really need to tune in and listen.” – (1:07:00), Dan.
* “Sometimes your employer is unable to give you what you need to grow.” – (1:10:00), Dan.
About Dan Nestle
* The Dan Nestle Show (libsyn.com)
* Daniel Nestle | LinkedIn
* The Dan Nestle Show | Facebook
* Dan Nestle | Twitter
About Sara McElroy
* Sara McElroy - Instagram
* Sara McElroy - Linkedin
* Raze to Rise – Website
The key moments in this episode (as generated by my AI buddy, Capsho) are:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:01 - Sarah's Career Journey and the Importance of the In-Between Moments
00:07:52 - Sarah's First Resignation and the Need for a Reset
00:12:47 - The Great Resignation and Finding Resilience
00:15:20 - The Impact of Divorce and Mental Health Issues,
00:18:07 - The Pressure of Being a Valedictorian,
00:22:51 - The Lack of a Life Roadmap,
00:25:26 - Resignation and Self-Reflection,
00:28:45 - The Journey of Personal Growth,
00:30:49 - The Journey Begins,
00:33:27 - The Power of Women's Stories,
00:35:17 - Designing a Fulfilling Career,
00:39:37 - The Unforeseen Path,
00:43:35 - The Role of Physiology,
00:47:29 - The Importance of Sensory Reactions,
00:49:10 - The Impact of Lack of Sensory Information,
00:50:59 - Ignoring Emotional and Physical Signs,
00:53:30 - Recognizing Signals and Taking Action,
00:58:15 - Using Visualization and Body Reactions,
01:02:51 - The Impact of a Job on Relationships,
01:03:30 - Measuring Readiness to Leave a Job,
01:04:58 - Balancing Rationality and Emotion in Career Decisions,
01:06:07 - Expanding and Growing Outside of Work,
01:10:30 - The Individualized Nature of Career Paths,
01:18:36 - The Impact of Self-Objectification and Internalized Capitalism,
01:19:06 - The Historical Origins of Work Culture,
01:20:25 - Challenges for Women in the Business World,
01:21:23 - Overcoming Biases and Empowering Women,
01:23:12 - Keeping an Open Mind and Trusting Yourself
Timestamped summary of this episode (also presented as generated by Capsho):
00:00:00 - Introduction to the Dan Nestle Show
Dan Nestle introduces the podcast episode and his guest, Sarah McElroy, who is a high-performing chief marketing officer turned CEO and career transition expert. They discuss the importance of managing one's career and the power of the in-between moments in career transitions.
00:02:01 - Sarah's Career Journey and the Importance of the In-Between Moments
Sarah McElroy shares her personal career journey, including a difficult divorce, job loss, and health issues. She emphasizes the significance of the in-between moments in one's career and how they can shape the direction and decisions for the future.
00:07:52 - Sarah's First Resignation and the Need for a Reset
Sarah talks about her first resignation and how it came after experiencing physical and mental health issues due to overworking. She decided to take a pause and went on a wellness retreat in Peru to reconnect with herself. This reset led her to make significant changes in her career and personal life.
00:12:47 - The Great Resignation and Finding Resilience
Sarah discusses the concept of the Great Resignation and how it has impacted many people's career decisions. She emphasizes the importance of finding resilience during challenging times and shares her own experience of quitting her job after being diagnosed with shingles. This decision allowed her to prioritize her well-being and seek a more fulfilling career path.
00:15:20 - The Impact of Divorce and Mental Health Issues,
Sara discusses how her divorce, mental health issues, and childhood trauma affected her. She shares her hospitalization and estrangement from her family, leading to feelings of worthlessness and a need to prove her value.
00:18:07 - The Pressure of Being a Valedictorian,
Sara and Dan discuss how being valedictorian can create pressure and expectations. They explore the idea that valedictorians often become followers rather than le…
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Sep 17, 2023
113: How Communications Brings Purpose to Life with Michael Morris
In this episode, Dan reconnects with a former colleague and marketing communications collaborator, Michael Morris. A world traveler who has spent his career putting purpose at the forefront of everything he does, Michael recently co-founded Denmark-based Engagement Lab, an advisory firm specializing in behavioral insights, brand building, competitive positioning, and strategic communications – and focused exclusively on businesses in the green transition.
Dan and Michael dig into the importance of purpose and serendipity in career decisions as they explore Michael's fascinating story. Early in his career, during a stint in Ghana that didn't go according to plan, Michael realized that being a communicator gave him a unique role in bringing purpose to life, not just for himself but for his company and colleagues as well. His later work with World Vision propelled him on a purpose-driven path that continued through his work at MHI Vestas Offshore Wind, helping improve the lives of others through strategic communication.
Through their conversation...
* Discover the road to fulfillment and maximum impact in your career, guided by purpose and authentic communication.
* Uncover the value hidden in networks and mentorships and how they unlock doors to personal and professional growth.
* Grasp the transformative power of empathy in fostering genuine relationships, elevating marketing communications to new heights.
* Understand the game-changing role of energy transition and sustainability in setting new standards for careers and businesses.
* Delve into the fascinating interplay between AI and the writing landscape, highlighting the tightrope balance between creativity amplification and preservation.
Notable Quotes:
* “It’s important for us to recognize poignant moments when they happen.” – (8:21), Michael
* “Every person that you meet is a whole new door to who knows what else.” – (11:00), Dan
* “I choose to believe that things happen for a reason because if only because then I’m more aware of when things happen and who I’m meeting with.” – (17:44), Michael
* “Let’s make sure that we’re doing our best to have continuity between the internal experience and the external messaging.” - (37:08), Michael
* “Because of tech, you don’t have an internal announcement and an external announcement, you have an announcement.” – (40:40), Michael
* “Your work is made better by cultivating and integrating your peripheral interests.” – (1:00:07), Michael
* “AI doesn’t care about the truth.” – (1:09:00), Michael
About Dan Nestle
* The Dan Nestle Show (libsyn.com)
* Daniel Nestle | LinkedIn
* The Dan Nestle Show | Facebook
* Dan Nestle | Twitter
About Michael Morris
* Engagement Lab - Website
* Michael Morris - Linkedin
The key moments in this episode (as generated by my AI buddy, Capsho) are:
00:00:00 - Introduction,
00:00:19 - The Power of Purpose,
00:04:14 - Michael's Journey,
00:08:30 - Working with Purpose,
00:15:12 - The Heartbreaking Reality in Sub-Saharan Africa,
00:16:50 - Embracing Serendipity and Openness,
00:19:42 - The Power of Storytelling in Communications and Marketing,
00:21:08 - The Superpower of Connecting Dots and Cultivating Empathy,
00:26:15 - Engagement Lab: Facilitating Connection and Empathy,
00:31:22 - Overview of Communication Scope,
00:32:47 - Communication Challenges in the Energy Transition,
00:33:27 - Identifying Needs in the Energy Transition Space,
00:35:05 - Importance of Founding Values and Employee Engagement,
00:36:23 - Internal Communications and External Messaging,
00:47:31 - Dealing with Impatience and Inspiration,
00:48:24 - The Ambivalence of Gen X,
00:49:39 - Embracing a Balanced Approach,
00:51:51 - The Long-Term Nature of the Energy Transition,
00:54:02 - Acknowledging the Benefits of Power,
01:02:54 - Introduction to Barrett Road and its Agile Approach,
01:03:25 - The Impact of AI on Writing and Creativity,
01:05:34 - AI's Potential to Replace Writers and Artists,
01:09:15 - AI's Lack of Commitment to Truth and Connection,
01:13:30 - Embracing AI as a Tool and Making Writing More Efficient,
01:17:13 - The Power of Technology in Graphic Design and Artistry,
01:18:37 - Unleashing Creativity with AI,
01:19:44 - Experience and Career Advantages in the Age of AI,
01:20:31 - Connecting with Michael Morris and Engagement Lab,
01:21:29 - Gratitude and Encouragement
Timestamped summary of this episode (also presented as generated by Capsho):
00:00:00 - Introduction,
Dan Nestle introduces the podcast and his guest, Michael Morris, a strategic communications professional with a passion for purpose-driven work.
00:00:19 - The Power of Purpose,
Dan and Michael discuss how purpose can transform a career and bring fulfillment. They emphasize the importance of recognizing pivotal moments and connecting with instrumental people along the way.
00:04:14 - Michael's Journey,
Michael shares his journey from working in Ghana to traveling across Africa with World Vision. He highlights the impact of experiencing adversity and how it shaped his commitment to work with purpose.
00:08:30 - Working with Purpose,
Michael and Dan discuss the significance of purpose finding you rather than the other way around. They emphasize the importance of human-to-human connections and being open to opportunities for making a positive impact.
00:15:12 - The Heartbreaking Reality in Sub-Saharan Africa,
The guest discusses the heartbreaking stories of children dying from diarrhea in sub-Saharan Africa. He emphasizes the importance of addressing this issue and highlights the work done by World Vision. He also encourages listeners to support organizations like World Vision.
00:16:50 - Embracing Serendipity and Openness,
The conversation shifts to the concept of serendipity and the importance of being open to unexpected opportunities. The guest shares his belief that things happen for a reason and encourages listeners to recognize pivotal moments in their lives. This mindset is crucial for success in the creative field and helps in building connections and empathy with others.
00:19:42 - The Power of Storytelling in Communications and Marketing,
The guest explains how storytelling plays a vital role in communications and marketing. The goal is to persuade, convince, or change minds by using the power of story and imagery. Being open to connections and embracing serendipity is essential in effectively reaching and engaging with different audiences.
00:21:08 - The Superpower of Connecting Dots and Cultivating Empathy,
The guest discusses the superpower of connecting dots that others may not see. This ability to find connections is essential in the creative field and contributes to success. It is driven by empathy, which requires mental energy and the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes.
00:26:15 - Engagement Lab: Facilitating Connection and Empathy,
The guest introduces Engagement Lab and
00:31:22 - Overview of Communication Scope,
The guest explains that their communication services are broad but limited to engagements that include upfront research. Their specialization is in the energy transition sector.
00:32:47 - Communication Challenges in the Energy Transition,
The guest highlights the communication challenges faced by energy transition companies, such as assuming everyone believes in their mission without considering the need for effective communication and understanding of alternative solutions within the renewables industry.
00:33:27 - Identifying Needs in the Energy Transition Space,
The guest emphasizes the tremendous need for effective communication within the energy transition sector, especially for rapidly scaling companies. They discuss the strain on culture, values, and internal communications as businesses grow.
00:35:05 - Importance of Founding Values and Employee Eng…
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