Tony Cole: Using Deception to Safeguard the Truth
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I believe that we should be teaching our kids, students and employees when and how to lie

 -- Maurice Schweitzer; professor, Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania


And, after all, what is a lie? 'Tis but The truth in masquerade.

 -- Lord Byron; Don Juan, Canto 11



This week, Matt Stephenson welcomes Attivo Networks CTO Tony Cole to InSecurity for chat about the role deception techniques play in security. But that’s not all… we get into how the privatization of space will impact cybersecurity… where cybersecurity fits into Black Swan events like the Wall Street Bets brouhaha… even a bit of Pink Floyd works into the mix!



About Tony Cole



Tony Cole (@NoHackn) is a cyber expert with over thirty-five years of experience as a strategist, risk expert, advisor, and board member. Today, he is the CTO at Attivo Networks, the global leader in lateral movement attack detection and privilege escalation prevention, working to defend enterprises from the impact of cyber-attacks.

Prior to joining Attivo Networks, Tony held executive positions at FireEye, McAfee and Symantec. He is retired from the U.S. Army, where he worked in intelligence, communications, and cryptography around the world including building out the Network Security Services at the Pentagon.

Tony served previously on numerous boards and government committees including (ISC)² Board of Directors as Treasurer and Chair of Audit and Risk, the NASA Advisory Council under appointment by the NASA Administrator, and the FCC CSRIC (Communications Security, Reliability, and Interoperability Council). Today he serves on the Gula Tech Foundation Grant Advisory Board helping the Foundation give back to the community and drive a more diverse cyber workforce.

In 2014, Tony received the Government Computer News Industry IT Executive of the Year award, and in 2015 he was inducted into the Wash 100 by Executive Mosaic as one of the most influential executives impacting Government. In 2018 he was awarded the Reboot Leadership Influencer Award by SC Media.



About Matt Stephenson




Insecurity Podcast host Matt Stephenson (@packmatt73) leads the Broadcast Media team at BlackBerry, which puts me in front of crowds, cameras, and microphones all over the world. I am the regular host of the InSecurity podcast and video series at events around the globe.


I have spent the last 10 years in the world of Data Protection and Cybersecurity. Since 2016, I have been with Cylance (now BlackBerry) extolling the virtues of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning and how, when applied to network security, can wrong-foot the bad guys. Prior to the COVID shutdown, I was on the road over 100 days a year doing live malware demonstrations for audiences from San Diego to DC to London to Abu Dhabi to Singapore to Sydney. One of the funniest things I've ever been a part of was blowing up a live instance of NotPetya 6 hours after the news broke... in Washington DC... directly across the street from FBI HQ... as soon as we activated it a parade of police cars with sirens blaring roared past the building we were in. I'm pretty sure they weren't there for us, but you never know...


Every week on the InSecurity Podcast, I get to interview interesting people doing interesting things all over the world of cybersecurity and the extended world of hacking. Sometimes, that means hacking elections or the coffee supply chain... other times that means social manipulation or the sovereign wealth fund of a national economy.


InSecurity is about talking with the people who build, manage or wreck the systems that we have put in place to make the world go round...



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