Good Guys: Workplace Allies, Brad Johnson & David Smith
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In today’s episode, I am joined by two gentlemen, Brad Johnson and David Smith. They are both experts on gender equality in the workplace. As a sociologist and a clinical psychologist, Brad and David are both Professors and former naval officers with a mission to help men become more effective allies, accomplices, mentors, and collaborators with women to create a more inclusive workplace.


In our discussion together, Brad and David share about why and how men have a critical role in promoting gender equality at work. They give advice for men on how they can become more effective allies, how to be better collaborators with women, how to forge more equitable allyships and mentorships with underrepresented individuals, and more. They also share key insights and takeaways from their two books, Good Guys: How Men Can Be Better Allies for Women in the Workplace and Athena Rising: How and Why Men Should Mentor Women.


This is a powerful, important conversation that I highly recommend both men and women alike tune in for.


Key Takeaways:

[:49] About today’s episode.

[1:29] Welcoming Brad and David to the podcast!

[1:39] About Brad and David’s two books, Good Guys and Athena Rising.

[1:56] Brad and David introduce themselves and share what led them to write these two books.

[8:54] What is gynophobia? And how is it impacting mentorship and allyship?

[11:42] How is it that we haven’t expected more from our leaders in regards to gender equality in the workplace and supporting underrepresented individuals?

[16:09] Brad and David share their top pieces of advice for men in being better allies for women in the workplace from their books. They break up the advice into three buckets: home, interpersonal, and public allyship.

[31:44] How you can be helpful as a male mentor or ally.

[36:25] How to give constructive or critical feedback to a woman as a man, without biases.

[37:19] Brad and David discuss women’s intersectional identities, share some key insights, and why it is important to understand.

[42:20] Advice for women and men on forging equitable allyships and mentorships.

[48:29] What is Brad and David’s vision for the future of gender equality in the workplace? How long do they think it will be before we no longer have to have this conversation? What might expedite or impede this process?

[52:00] Thanking Brad and David for joining the podcast!


Mentioned in this Episode:

Workplace Allies

Good Guys: How Men Can Be Better Allies for Women in the Workplace, by Brad Johnson and David Smith

Athena Rising: How and Why Men Should Mentor Women, by Brad Johnson and David Smith


About Fifth Dimensional Leadership & Ginny Clarke Fifth-Dimensional Leadership is a podcast about leadership — knowing yourself, speaking your truth, inspiring love, expanding your consciousness and activating your mastery. As an executive recruiter and career expert currently leading executive recruiting at a Fortune 20 tech company, Ginny Clarke is a passionate and authentic thought leader with a unique and deliberate perspective on work and life. She synthesizes aspects of her life as an African-American single mother who has successfully navigated corporate America for over 30 years. She has inspired, uplifted, and changed the lives of thousands and is intentional about bringing conscious awareness to people of all ages and stages.   Every other week, a new edition of Fifth-Dimensional Leadership will include fascinating guests, covering a variety of topics: power, personal branding, self-awareness, networking, fear, and career management   Stay Connected! To find more episodes or learn more, visit: Connect with her on social media: Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Youtube
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