In The Thick
In The Thick
Dec 4, 2020
ITT Sound Off: Reimagining Our Country
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Maria and Julio dive into the latest in White House political chaos, including Attorney General William Barr's statement that there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the election. They also talk about President-elect Biden's transition and the coronavirus surge, especially how COVID-19 is unfolding in Mexico.

ITT Staff Picks:

  • Included in today's show is a clip from Angela Davis' first national televised appearance following her acquittal after the San Rafael courtroom shootout. This was an exclusive interview with journalist Tony Brown on WNET's "Black Journal." Watch the full interview here.
  • "However, moderate Democrats have yet to prove that progressive policies alienated more voters than they mobilized," Ibram X. Kendi writes in his latest piece for The Atlantic.
  • Manu Ureste and Alberto Pradilla report about COVID-19 cases, and testing, in Mexican detention centers in this piece for Animal Político.

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Lady Don't Take No
Lady Don't Take No
Alicia Garza
George Goehl. White People Whisperer.
Alicia Garza welcomes George Goehl, the Executive Director of People’s Action, one of the largest multiracial low-income and working-class people’s organizations in the country. Garza and Goehl react to the recent Capitol building attack, and talk about what it’s like organizing in rural communities. Plus, Garza’s weekly round-up of everything good and awful. George Goehl on Twitter and Instagram People’s Action on Twitter and Instagram This pod is supported by the Black Futures Lab Production by Phil Surkis Theme music: "Lady Don't Tek No" by Latyrx Alicia Garza believes that Black communities deserve what all communities deserve -- to be powerful in every aspect of their lives. An author, political strategist, organizer, and cheeseburger enthusiast, Alicia founded the Black Futures Lab to make Black communities powerful in politics. She is the co-creator of #BlackLivesMatter and the Black Lives Matter Global Network, serves as the Strategy & Partnerships Director for the National Domestic Workers Alliance, and is a co-founder of Supermajority, a new home for women’s activism. Alicia has become a powerful voice in the media and frequently contributes thoughtful opinion pieces and expert commentary on politics, race and more to outlets such as MSNBC and The New York Times. She has received numerous accolades and recognitions, including being on the cover of TIME’s 100 Most Influential People in the World issue and being named to Bloomberg's 50 and Politico's 50 lists. She is the author of the critically acclaimed book,_The Purpose of Power: How We Come Together When We Fall Apart_(One World Penguin Random House), and she warns you -- hashtags don’t start movements. People do.
41 min
System Check with Melissa Harris-Perry and Dorian Warren
System Check with Melissa Harris-Perry and Dorian Warren
System Check
10: Political Violence Is No Anomaly in American History
Georgia made history this week: The state elected a Black Senator on Tuesday for the first time ever. Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Morehouse graduate who serves as senior pastor of the storied Ebenezer Baptist Church once pastored by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., will be representing Georgia in the Senate as soon as the results are certified. Along with the win of his fellow Georgian, Jon Ossoff, the Senate will effectively be in Democratic hands, as will the House and the Presidency. Sadly, a different kind of history was also made this week, when an angry, violent, mob of mostly white Trump supporters broke into the Capitol on Wednesday, smashing windows, destroying private offices and violating public spaces. With encouragement from the man occupying the highest office in the land, the mob forced our elected representatives to flee the House and Senate floors as they were undertaking the constitutionally mandated certification of the 2020 presidential election. The people who perpetrated this attack against our democracy were fueled by misinformation, much of it coming from the President himself: That dead people had voted, that voting machines had somehow switched votes, that the election was rigged and widespread fraud had handed Biden the presidency. But they were also acting on another kind of misinformation, another kind of lie—a lie that erases the genius and the contributions of Black people, a lie that ignores the fact that it was Black hands that made America what it is, that unpaid Black labor built the very buildings that serve as the seat of our democracy ( . They were fueled by the lie that is white supremacy. If we are to move beyond the gridlock that has been our political fate for years, we need to face up to this lie embedded deep within our entire public life. On this week’s show, your hosts Melissa Harris-Perry and Dorian Warren undertake a system check of the very foundation of our politics. Our guest and guide this week is Hasan Kwame Jeffries, associate professor of history at The Ohio State University where he teaches courses on the Civil Rights and Black Power Movements. He reminds us that the violence we saw at the Capitol this week is not an anomaly—in fact, political violence is what birthed this nation. The American Revolution, the Civil War, the brutal suppression of Reconstruction and the stiff resistance to the Civil Rights Movement, political violence has long been used to perpetuate white supremacy in this country. And too often, Black agency and emancipation has been bartered away to avoid further political violence. But Prof. Jeffries points us toward a way to hold people—whether they’re the people who stormed the Capitol or the politicians who egged them on—accountable for their political violence, and a way to recognizing and honoring the full contributions that Black Americans have made to our republic. Our final word this week goes to Professor Blair Kelley, Associate Professor of History at North Carolina State University. System Check listeners will remember Prof. Kelley from episode 2, in which she gave us a deeply personal perspective on voter suppression ( —this week, she reminds us of all the working class Black folks who have asserted their right to participate in a political system that more often than not thwarted and devalued their input. It is our task to honor their legacy. System Checklist Transforming analysis into action, the System Check Team gives listeners three action items this week: Take Action: The politicians who aided and abetted this week’s assault on democracy must be held accountable. Prof. Hasan Kwame Jeffries’s brother, Rep. Hakeem Jeffries ( , is one of a chorus of politicians who came out today demanding President Trump’s removal from office. Add your name as a co-signer of Rep. Cori Bush’s bill to investigate and expel members of congress who fomented the storming of the Capitol ( , and help shift the balance of power in the Senate, that most unequal of institutions, by telling your representatives to make Washington, DC the 51st state ( . Get Informed: How do we fight misinformation? By educating ourselves. This week’s political violence didn’t come out of nowhere ( , it’s a clear response to the progressive political gains made this year, facilitated by the work of Black women from Stacey Abrams all the way back to Fannie Lour Hamer ( . Check out Prof. Jeffries’s moving TedTalk ( , mentioned in today’s show. Listen to Rev. Raphael Warnock’s speech ( after his defeat of Sen. Kelly Loeffler to learn how the son of a woman who picked someone else’s cotton could become a US Senator. Watch: And while you’re at it, treat yourself to Elizabeth Alexander’s full reading of “Praise Song for the Day” ( at the 2009 inauguration of Barack Obama. As always, we welcome your additions to our Checklist! Use our Twitter ( and Facebook ( pages to add your comments, suggested actions, and organizations to support. And if you like the show, subscribe on Apple Podcasts ( , Spotify ( , or wherever you get your podcasts for new episodes every Friday. System Check is a project of The Nation magazine, hosted by Melissa Harris-Perry and Dorian Warren and produced by Sophia Steinert-Evoy. Support for System Check comes from Omidyar Network, a social change venture that is reimagining how capitalism should work. Learn more about their efforts to recenter our economy around individuals, community, and societal well-being at ( . Our executive producer is Frank Reynolds. Our theme music is by Brooklyn-based artist and producer Jachary ( . Subscribe to The Nation to support all of our podcasts:
35 min
Our America with Julián Castro
Our America with Julián Castro
Lemonada Media
Why I'm F*cking Mad (with Jonathan Van Ness)
With the launch of the hit Netflix show, “Queer Eye,” Jonathan Van Ness became a personal grooming guru for unkempt Americans across the country. But JVN has engaged audiences in so much more than better hygiene practices – a year after the show launched, JVN wrote a memoir that helped to demystify living with HIV and what “undetectable equals untransmittable” (or U=U) actually means.    JVN joins us this week to talk about living with HIV, overcoming addiction, and the steps that he hopes the Biden/Harris administration will take to overcome the stigma that he and so many other folks, particularly LGBTQ-identifying, face after coming out as HIV-positive. Tune in, henny.   Keep up with Julián on twitter @JulianCastro and Instagram @JulianCastroTX.    Resources from the episode: Tune into JVN’s podcast, Getting Curious Read JVN’s memoir, “Over The Top” Search for your local Planned Parenthood  Locate additional HIV testing by zip code  Find a PrEP provider by zip code Read up on U=U   Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this show and all Lemonada shows.   To follow along with a transcript and/or take notes for friends and family, go to shortly after the air date.   Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. See for privacy information.
30 min
Our Body Politic
Our Body Politic
Lantigua Williams & Co.
January 15, 2021: New York AG Tish James seeks accountability for President Trump, the “Black Cassandra” syndrome and journalists of color need to be heard, and a new politics roundtable deciphers the future of our country.
This week, Farai Chideya and her guests dissect the aftermath of the January 6th coup attempt at the Capitol. New York AG Letitia James shares the values that guide her work, which includes investigating President Trump. Boston Globe reporter Jazmine Ulloa reflects on her first-hand experience of the Capitol siege. As transition director of Vice President-Elect Kamala Harris’ team, political strategist Minyon Moore expands on Harris’ role in uniting the country. Plus, a new extended segment of “Sippin’ the Political Tea” with contributors Errin Haines and Jess Morales Rocketto. EPISODE RUNDOWN 0:51 Farai Chideya breaks down what she calls the “Black Cassandra Syndrome” and why she thinks more people should listen to journalists of color. 2:34 New York Attorney General Letiticia James talks about her goal to uphold an equal application of the law, regardless of social status. 5:50 James explains that her humble upbringing and daily interactions with her community encourage her to seek justice for all. 7:55 Lawmakers’ priorities tend to neglect the needs of average Americans, especially minority communities, James explains. 13:12 Journalist Jazmine Ulloa describes what the siege on the Capitol looked like, on the ground. 14:56 Many journalists in the Senate press gallery doubted that rioters could break into the building, Ulloa explains. 17:40 Ulloa has had a career in crime reporting and describes the impact her work has on her community. 21:48 The Covid Update looks at the uptick in daily deaths and the effects of the illness on “long-haulers.” 24:04 Political strategist Minyon Moore gives her insight on the upcoming Biden-Harris Administration. 24:47 Moore’s political career began with the campaign to elect Chicago’s first Black mayor. 28:17 Vice President-Elect Kamala Harris uplifts the voices of everyday Americans and “represents the people,” Moore explains. 29:42 The SPEAK platform takes in input from callers all across the country. This week, one caller shares what they’d do if they were President, on their first day in the Oval Office. 32:31 Our Body Politic’s extended roundtable “Sipping the Political Tea” covers all things news and politics with contributors Jess Morales Rocketto and Errin Haines. 34:03 Chideya breaks down her blog post from four years ago, “The Call to Whiteness,” which dissects and predicts the patterns that result from white supremacy in politics. 37:16 Haines expresses the frustration that her and other Black journalists have experienced over the years when they try to talk about racism and white supremacy. 39:17 Morales Rocketto looks into the motives behind President Trump’s supporters in the Capitol, Senators Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, and their future roles in the Republican Party. 43:19 Haines, Morales Rocketto, and Chideya talk about what in politics has most surprised them most in the last week.
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