Butter Pecan Podcast
Butter Pecan Podcast
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A podcast about race, food, and racist food. Join Kelly Nusz and Darryl Goodner in discussing the wild and ridiculous racist tropes in the food you know, and probably love. While also dismantling those tropes and creating something new.
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Mar 25, 2022
Pouring Over the History of Coffee
How do you take your coffee? Cream? Sugar? Or do you drink it Black? As the world's second most traded commodity (next to oil) it's hard to have your morning fix without coming to terms with the origins of your favorite drink. It'll probably come as no surprise that coffee as a long history of slavery. We discuss our own relationship with coffee as we tell of its origins and early history.
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Mar 4, 2022
24. Sunday Supper
Darryl and Kelly sit down to finish their conversation on fried chicken and share a meal of Popeyes. We finish our history on fried chicken and discuss some regionally black-owned restaurant chains. Lots of laughing and sidebars as we try to move through these final days of winter.
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Feb 11, 2022
23. Tastes Like Chicken & Sadness
We are back after an unplanned and unexpected break. We talk about what kept us away for so long, eat chicken, and talk about chicken. And we're keeping it broad and loose for this episode, only going over a few facts and cultural history regarding the bird we love to eat - chicken!
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Dec 3, 2021
Just Gravy 9: Holiday Leftovers
The holidays can be really tough, and this year presents its own specific issues as we ease out of (or back into? or never left?) pandemic restrictions. Join Kelly and Darryl as they talk about depression, divorce, and other things that can make this time of year extra special. To get the full version of this episode, become one of our supporters at www.patreon.com/butterpecanpod
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Nov 19, 2021
22. Native American Heritage Month with Nicole Robey
We are celebrating Native American Heritage Month with our new best friend, Nicole Robey. Join us as we chat with Nicole about growing up Winnebago, what it means to be a "white-presenting" Native, and the work she does today as part of the Indigenous Affinity Group at Amazon as well as doing ramen and fry bread pop-ups with her husband. We enjoy some fry bread while discussing its delicious yet divisive history within Native culture. Follow Nicole on Instagram @bigvoice_media and www.renshokuramen.com for her and her husband's ramen.
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Nov 5, 2021
21. BIG CANDY
What do Peanut Butter Bars, Circus Peanuts, and Bit-O-Honey all have in common? Well, they're gross, and WE ate them. In this episode, we lay the artificially flavored foundation for a forthcoming episode on sugar, share ghost stories, and acknowledge everything we've accomplished in our first year of podcasting.
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Oct 29, 2021
Just Gravy 8: Magnet Schools
Immediately after we released our last episode on school lunch, Louisville's regional newspaper, the Courier-Journal, published a series of articles on magnet schools in the JCPS school system. So, we decided to record a bonus about what we found interesting about their investigation, and how school lunch continues to tell a story about race and class.
Photo Source: Library of Congress Photo Archives
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Oct 22, 2021
20. School Lunch (Part 3b)
In the second part of Part 3 on school lunch, we continue our conversation on redlining and see how this practice kept schools segregated into the 1970s. We take a look at how Louisville, KY came up with its system of busing and how the city continues to be one of the most integrated school systems in the country.
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Oct 15, 2021
19. School Lunch (Part 3)
As we enter into the more contemporary history of schools in the United States, we must first look at the effects of redlining and housing discrimination. Where you live often dictates where you go to school, and in addition, property taxes are tied to school budgets - we can't look at one without looking at the other. So many sidebars and chitchat, we had to break this into two different episodes.
***Fact Check: Legally, realtors have to show a client any house they're interested in buying, but there is a practice known as "steering" when realtors direct people to neighborhoods with populations of the same race, religion, and status.
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Sep 17, 2021
18. School Lunch (Part 2)
In Part 2, we discuss how school lunch menus were used as a tool to assimilate those who had immigrated to the United States. We also look at the messy metaphor of a Melting Pot for immigrant assimilation and evaluate how school lunches differ around the world. Please send us any of your personal stories (or your parents' stories) about what school lunch was like for you.
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Sep 3, 2021
17. School Lunch (Part 1)
In our first installment on School Lunch, Kelly and Darryl investigate the uncomfortable history of Native American boarding schools, their effect on native culture, and how generational trauma continues to manifest today. We look at how food was used as a weapon and a tool by European colonists to assimilate young children and their families.
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Jul 27, 2021
16. Butter Pecan Plays Hot Ones
Kelly and Darryl explore the world of hot sauce by playing the party/card game, Hot Ones. Based on the popular show, the game takes you through truth or dare, trivia, and "roast" questions where the other people in the game roast you. We taste seven different sauces starting with Darryl's homemade sauce and ending with The Last Dab (included with the game). We laugh, we cry, and we get reeeeeeal sweaty.
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Jul 20, 2021
15. Red Hot Chili Chilies
From medicine to slave ships to Beyonce's bag, chilies and hot sauce have had a long history within the Black community. We begin in 200 A.D. with the Greek physician Galen, travel to the New World and through Louisiana, and end up on the floor of a saloon in Nevada. In our next episode, we'll be tasting Darryl's own hot sauce along with a few others as we play the party game Hot Ones.
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Jun 22, 2021
Just Gravy 7: Remembering The Comanche Three
On June 19, 1981, three teenagers tragically drowned at Booker T. Washington Park during what was then the largest Juneteenth celebration in Texas. They had been taken into police custody after a small bag of marijuana and a joint had been found. Listen as Kelly tells Darryl the difficult story of the Comanche Three and how the community of Limestone County Texas continues to deal with the aftermath forty years later. (Correction from audio: 1,400 people attended the funeral mentioned, not 14,000 - Kelly just can't read numbers so early in the morning)
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Jun 16, 2021
14. Juneteenth: As American As BBQ Ribs
Happy Juneteenth! In this celebratory episode, Darryl prepares a traditional Juneteenth meal of pulled pork, sweet potatoes, watermelon, and strawberries. Kelly shares the history of the holiday, how it has been observed, and the food that makes this day unique and special. Join us as we raise a glass of Strawberry Red Mule (a cocktail Kelly invented) to this very important day: June 19th.
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Jun 8, 2021
13. David McAtee's BBQ
In this very personal episode Kelly and Darryl talk about the life and death of David McAtee and what his loss meant to our community. Darryl shares his personal experience as a participant at the protest and describes how the community came together to mourn, celebrate, and express their anger. We also eat a meal of jerk chicken, collard greens, and mac n' cheese in honor of McAtee, the community he cared for, and his passion for BBQ.
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May 14, 2021
12. Filipino Invasion (Part 2)
In part 2, we are coming to you from our brand new studio (in progress) to discuss anti-philippine sentiment in the U.S. with a focus on the Philippine-American War. We also talk about the links between Black and Filipinx history, and their influences on one another.
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May 4, 2021
11. Filipino Invasion (Part 1)
In our first episode of May, Kelly chats with our friend Camille Pase about growing up as an immigrant from the Philippines, and the different cultures she was exposed to in California and Kentucky. We talk about the food she grew up eating, and the pride she feels when making food for her own family. And of course, we cover some racism and how it relates to food. Check out our blog for Camille's recipe for Bibinkang Malagkit.
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Apr 27, 2021
Just Gravy 6: Q&A with Darryl and Kelly
With all of our new listeners and recent attention that we have received from the LEO, we decided to pause and do a Q&A episode. Darryl and Kelly discuss their friendship, food, and of course, ice cream. Lots of laughing and personal history, but we're leaving the racism behind for this one. Listen in to learn more about us, and hear two friends just being friends.
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Apr 20, 2021
Drink Faygo!: An Episode 4 Re-Recording of Coca-Cola
Because of the recent news of Coca-Cola being "canceled" after their statement regarding Georgia's new voting rollbacks, we decided to revisit episode 4 of our miniseries on Coke. The original recording had some flaws so if you needed to skip that episode, here is your chance to catchup. We revisit the discrimination case against Coke in 2000, their comments on BLM from 2020, and their statement regarding voting rights in Georgia just a few weeks ago.
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Mar 30, 2021
Just Gravy 5: Polio, Pepperoni, and Pizza Rat
Ready to listen to the goofiest re-telling of the history of polio and talk about pizza? How do those things even belong together? Listen to this bonus episode of a sleepy Darryl and a tired Kelly try to make sense of the racist science and policies that went along with the U.S. polio epidemic. We also talk about the delicious pizza Darryl made with bacon and pepperoni from Red Hog. Special guests include Spinelli the dog, and a mouse stalking Darryl's kitchen.
Sources:
African-Americans, Polio and Racial Segregation By Daniel J. Wilson, PhD
Race and the Politics of Polio, Warm Springs, Tuskegee, and the March of Dimes By Naomi Rogers, PhD
The History of Vaccines, An Educational resource By the College of Physicians of Philadelphia
How the Poor Get Blamed for Disease by Elena Conis
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Mar 16, 2021
10. Fannie Lou Hamer (Part 2)
Part 2 of Fannie Lou Hamer is a wild one - it tells the story worthy of the big screen (as you will hear us discuss). In short, Fannie Lou Hamer became a star in the Civil Rights movement, scared the pants off President Johnson, and built a farm co-op that provides a model for what we continue to strive for today. Special thanks to DJ LoveAlways for letting us use his art for this episodes' cover.
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Mar 2, 2021
9. Fannie Lou Hamer (Part 1)
In the first part of this series, we learn about FLH's childhood in Mississippi including the struggles, and joy, she experienced growing up on a plantation. We take a look at some of the history surrounding her early years, and the rebellious steps she began to take to subvert the systems that kept her suppressed. Join us as we gush over one of our favorite Civil Rights (and Equal Food Access) leaders in U.S. history.
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Feb 20, 2021
Just Gravy 4: The Business of Being Black
In this bonus episode, we take the opportunity to talk to a local black business owner who also happens to be co-host of this podcast - Darryl Goodner. Goodner is part owner of the ice cream shop Louisville Cream in Louisville, KY. We discuss what this past year has been like and the changes that have affected his business - the good and the bad and what it all means and feels like. Bear with the audio, we had to record remotely during an ice storm.
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Feb 9, 2021
8. Black n' Cheese
From the year 1 AD to famed White House chef James Hemings to Condoleezza Rice, we track the long history of the dish mac n'cheese and how it became a staple in Black households. Darryl shares his own family's recipe and Kelly chews too loudly into the microphone.
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Jan 27, 2021
7. Dieting While Black (Part 2)
Recorded in early January, Kelly and Darryl continue their conversation on fat phobia and black body image. We are a bit all over the place, skip around, and Kelly got a little drunk by the end. Did this episode take an extra day to edit and almost crash our computer? Yes to both of these.
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Jan 19, 2021
6. Dieting While Black (Part 1)
We're back in 2021 to talk about dieting and body image. In this first installment on our two-parter on dieting, Darryl and Kelly talk about their own experiences with dieting and feelings of discomfort in their own bodies. We also interviewed New York dancer and Louisville, KY native, Leslie Cuyjet about her own experiences with dieting, feeling other, and making it to the top of that (figurative and literal) pyramid. Photo credit: Maria Baranova
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Dec 22, 2020
Just Gravy 3: Waldorf v. Watergate
In this special holiday "Just Gravy" episode, Kelly and Darryl talk about the weird menu items served at their family's holiday dinners. They talk about what they know about the dishes and the potential problems with each dish that may inspire future episodes.
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Dec 15, 2020
5. Butter Pecan Ice Cream
In what we are sure will be our first investigation into ice cream, Kelly and Darryl discuss how they came up with the idea for the show, their own relationship with the dessert, and some black facts about the tasty treat. We also discuss the "Ice Cream Truck Song" and the new replacement-song that just came out this summer by RZA.
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Dec 8, 2020
Just Gravy 2: The Henry Heinz Murder
This has nothing to do with Coca-Cola, or even ketchup (Henry Heinz was not THAT "Heinz"), but it does have to with another interest of ours - murder! Listen as Kelly tells Darryl about the mystery behind the Heinz murder and the black man who was charged for it. Not about food, but definitely still racist.
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Nov 26, 2020
4. Coca-Cola Mini-Series: Coke is Not It
Bare with us as we experiment with recording remotely in times of COVID. Kelly and Darryl talk about the discrimination case against Coca-Cola in 1999-2000, and the actions that lead to this landmark ruling. Join us as we take the Pepsi challenge and wrap up our series on Coke.
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Nov 3, 2020
3. Coca-Cola Mini-Series: Ice Cold Sunshine
In our third installment on Coca-Cola, we learn how the company ignored their black customers while Pepsi grew and sustained their base by appealing to this same group. Pepsi offered twice the amount of soda for the same price, created a black sales team, and black advertising team while Coca-Cola struggled with old traditions.
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Oct 30, 2020
Shauntrice Martin Interview
In our first "Just Gravy" bonus feature, we talk about Darryl's interview with Shauntrice Martin of Louisville's #FeedtheWest campaign, and Black Market.
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Oct 20, 2020
2. Coca-Cola Mini-Series: Coca-Cola Revives and Sustains
We continue our story about Coca-Cola as we find out more about Asa Candler, his ties to Atlanta, and the 1906 race massacre.
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Oct 20, 2020
1. Coca-Cola Mini-Series: Drink Coke!
Welcome to our first episode! We start with our series on Coca-Cola where it all began - the Civil War. Then we get down to business with a Green Tomato Pie recipe.
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Oct 12, 2020
Butter Pecan Trailer
It started with a question: Is Butter Pecan ice cream a black thing? Join Kelly Nusz and Darryl Goodner as we investigate this question and the history of food and racism.
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