This episode of the KIX EAP Podcast hosted by Ryan Allen, Assistant Professor, Chapman University (USA) features Kamila Kovyazina, independent researcher based in the Republic of Kazakhstan and presenter in the recent EPIC. In the podcast, Kamila explains why international organisations must listen to local experts. Please note that the podcast was recorded in December 2021, before the January 2022 unrest. The KIX EAP Podcast promotes diverse voices in the education discourse, with guests from government, academia, or civil society. Our host Ryan Allen talks with senior educational intellectuals, authors and practitioners from 21 countries in the Europe, Asia and Pacific region. Reach out to us if you know of anyone who could feature on the KIX EAP podcast.