Fun as the Key Agile Metric, with Steve Berez
20 min
We're joined by Steve Berez, partner at Bain and co-author of Doing Agile Right: Transformation Without Chaos. Steve tells us some stories from his 30-year consulting career, illustrating missteps he's seen in digital transformations like "You Folks Do Agile" and "Agile as a Quick Fix". He advocates the metric of "team fun" as the best way to determine whether you're doing agile right.

- Steve's book and other material:
- Article on the Agile C-Suite:
- Previous podcast episode mentioning Cargo Cult Agile:


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