Ken Fuchs Interview (Shark Tank + Bachelor Franchise Director) + Black Panther + Cobra Kai
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Speaker 1 (00:00:00):

Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie, and Cubby.


Barnes (00:00:04):

Welcome to the Pop Culture Show. Coming up today, Emmy winning director Ken Fuchs from The Bachelor, Shark Tank, Bachelorette, Family Feud. Cannot remember them all but I'm sure he will tell us. He's coming up. He's got some good inside scoop, guys.


Leslie (00:00:18):

Behind the scenes.


Cubby (00:00:19):

Great behind the scenes stuff, yeah.


Barnes (00:00:21):

I cannot wait to talk to him because there's so many things ... All those shows are all about behind the scenes. I mean, that's what makes them. Please rate, review, and subscribe. Please rate, review, and subscribe. We have some sad news. We're announcing right now. It wasn't planned but we're going to go and let you know that we are all three moving to Denmark.


Cubby (00:00:42):

Yeah, because we're huge there.


Leslie (00:00:43):

We have to.


Barnes (00:00:43):

We're huge in Denmark. We're number 10 in Denmark. So we've decided all to take the tax breaks and everything that comes with moving to Denmark. So we'll be heading that way soon. So thank you.


Cubby (00:00:56):

Also Australia. We've been making some ground up there.


Barnes (00:00:58):

And Great Britain. It's catching on everywhere but America.


Leslie (00:01:04):

What's the missing link?


Barnes (00:01:05):

Maybe tell somebody about us. I don't know. Help a brother out.


Cubby (00:01:10):

Follow us on social media if you could. We are the Pop Culture Show on Instagram. Even if you can go on your own Facebook page and talk about us, spread the word, every little bit helps. We're giving away money on this episode.


Barnes (00:01:22):

How about Tag a Friend Week? How about that?


Cubby (00:01:24):

I love that.


Leslie (00:01:26):

I like that idea.


Barnes (00:01:26):

Somewhere in your social media, just write a little something sweet and nice about the little show that could and say, "Hey, if you guys are looking for a good podcast, check these guys out. They're number 10 in Denmark," whatever you have to do. Cubby hit on something key. We're about to give away some money. I hope this doesn't go horribly wrong. It's called Pop Quiz and it's our first week giving away money. It's 50 bucks.


Leslie (00:01:48):

Fingers crossed. 50 bucks is a lot.


Cubby (00:01:50):

And it gets bigger.


Barnes (00:01:52):

Yeah, root for them to fail because next week, it'll be 100. If not, we'll just reset to 50. I'm saying right now, you know the question, both of you. What would you say on the hard scale, on a one to 10, 10 being the hardest?


Cubby (00:02:08):

I'm going to go eight, because you really had to pay attention.


Leslie (00:02:10):

It's a tough one.


Barnes (00:02:11):

It's not just like, "Hey, what color is the sky?" I mean, you had to have paid attention and not just like loosely.


Cubby (00:02:21):

How do we find this contestant?


Leslie (00:02:23):

Are they in Denmark?


Barnes (00:02:24):

Comment. They just comment. Yeah, it's the Denmark. It's one of those people. No, we have a post at the top tagged on our Facebook page and you just put Quiz Me in the comments and then we're going to pick somebody. That's it. I mean, it's pretty easy and I picked her at random. Her name is Christine Fitzgerald. Should be coming up in a few moments. This will be a video segment so you have to check it out. Because I'm sure there are going to be technical problems of some sort that you'll enjoy.


Cubby (00:02:50):

You'll get to see my shirt.


Barnes (00:02:51):

Cubby, this is ridiculous. What is that?


Leslie (00:02:54):

His shirt matches my fuchsia microphone.


Barnes (00:02:57):

What is it?


Cubby (00:02:57):

My wife found this in Marshall's. It was on sale for 5.99. I love retro and this is a circa 1991, saved by the bell kind of fashion statement.


Barnes (00:03:08):

It's about three sizes too small for you, first.


Cubby (00:03:10):

Yeah. This is called quarantine life right here.


Barnes (00:03:13):

How about not show-


Leslie (00:03:13):

The COVID-10.


Barnes (00:03:15):

He just raised his shirt.


Leslie (00:03:17):

COVID-10 or COVID-20?


Barnes (00:03:19):

You were already showing a little too much tummy for me.


Cubby (00:03:22):

I know. No, I'm not going to lie to you. I've probably gained 15 pounds since March.


Barnes (00:03:26):

I don't care about pounds, I'm just talking about skin. Your shirt was, it looks like you're wearing your youngest son you don't have shirt.


Cubby (00:03:34):

Well, this is a bad angle. I'll tell you that right now.


Leslie (00:03:37):

I kind of feel like we should give away his shirt as well as the 50 bucks.


Cubby (00:03:42):

That should be the losing price. Are we going to keep this going? Like if she wins today, are we going to ... I know it's not going to roll over. But are we going to have 50 bucks next week?


Barnes (00:03:50):

Yeah, why not?


Cubby (00:03:52):

Okay, so we're going to keep this going. All right.


Leslie (00:03:54):

Are we the only podcast giving away money?


Barnes (00:03:56):

I haven't heard of any podcasts giving away any money.


Leslie (00:03:59):

I haven't either.


Cubby (00:04:00):

All right, last question and I'll move on. What if this keeps rolling over and we're up to out of our budget? What if it's like $900?


Barnes (00:04:09):

The minute we opened our mouths, we're out of our budget.


Cubby (00:04:12):



Barnes (00:04:14):

We all exchange different weeks paying with our Venmo. Cubby's got next. College football's back, guys.


Leslie (00:04:21):

I had no idea.


Barnes (00:04:22):

And NFL.


Cubby (00:04:24):

Yeah, it was good to see that.


Barnes (00:04:24):

This week, NFL is back. I mean, they were the most boring of the boring games, no offense, but they weren't exciting. What was interesting ... Did you watch any ... Well, Leslie, how many did you watch?


Leslie (00:04:35):

I didn't even know it started so ...


Barnes (00:04:35):

Cubby, did you watch?


Leslie (00:04:35):

... carry on.


Cubby (00:04:39):

I watched Marshall play Eastern Kentucky for 10 minutes and that was really boring.


Barnes (00:04:45):

You noticed the camera angles?


Cubby (00:04:47):



Barnes (00:04:48):

They've moved the cameras up in the stands and they're angling them down so you don't see the stands. I thought it was very interesting. Watch the next time you watch a game. So they put the cameras-


Cubby (00:04:58):

They did have a few people at the game. There were a few people ...


Barnes (00:05:00):

I know but they're trying purposely not to show the empty stands.


Cubby (00:05:03):



Barnes (00:05:04):

I thought it was interesting.


Leslie (00:05:06):

Do they pipe in ... I'm just asking because I haven't watched. Are they piping in sound effects and crowd noises?


Barnes (00:05:11):

I haven't been to a game yet, but I heard they were going to.


Cubby (00:05:16):

The NBA and the NHL, they're doing a good job of making it sound as real as possible and look as real as possible. They've been doing a great job. With the Marshall game yesterday, had real fans. It sounded like a high school game. But it was good to see it back.


Barnes (00:05:30):

You know what? They could be on to something. Maybe that's what we should do for the Pop Culture Show. Let's just pipe in fans.


Leslie (00:05:35):

We need it.


Cubby (00:05:36):

Crowd noise.


Barnes (00:05:37):

How about fake people email us all the time?


Cubby (00:05:39):

The Kentucky Derby, too, was something that I forgot about, that normally I would be all about. That happened on Saturday.


Barnes (00:05:45):



Leslie (00:05:45):

Completely didn't see that. Did you guys watch the VMAs because they used these really cool virtual reality stages and they opened the show with the weekend, which was phenomenal. That performance was phenomenal. Then Lady Gaga with her masks.


Cubby (00:06:00):

You guys were talking about Venmo, you were talking about Venmo a minute ago, maybe you can help me with this because last week I got hacked. I'm not sure how it happened.


Leslie (00:06:09):



Barnes (00:06:09):

You got hacked on Venmo?


Cubby (00:06:11):

Well, no, no, no. Actually, it reminded me, it was on PayPal. So I have a credit card attached to my PayPal account and I ... Don't laugh at me. I've called QVC a couple of times and ordered stuff.


Leslie (00:06:23):

A couple meaning how many?


Cubby (00:06:26):

Two times in the last year. So the only time I've used my PayPal account is through the credit card on QVC. Anyway, long story short, my credit card alerts me if anything over $100 is happening. And I got an alert that a online order was placed for $900 for a Roomba on QVC.


Barnes (00:06:46):

Is that the vacuum that moves?


Cubby (00:06:48):

The vacuum that moves. And I clearly didn't order it. I asked my wife she says, "No. Are you crazy? I wouldn't do that." I didn't know where to begin. Do I call QVC first? Do I call my credit card first or do I call PayPal?


Barnes (00:06:59):

PayPal is fast.


Leslie (00:07:01):

They are?


Barnes (00:07:01):

They'll call you right back.


Cubby (00:07:03):

What I ended up doing is PayPal, they helped me out a lot and they told me to cancel my credit card and change my password on my PayPal. And then I called QVC and canceled the order. It was going to a different address. Whoever did this had my name on it, used my billing address, and it was being shipped to their address, which actually was 30 minutes away from our house. I looked it up on Zillow. And it was actually kind of a nice house. I'm like, "Is this a mistake maybe? Is it the same name as me?" I don't know.


Barnes (00:07:36):

Cubby, you order more than any human being that I know so maybe it was a mistake.


Cubby (00:07:42):

No, it was not ...


Leslie (00:07:44):

Wait, I'm following this. Did you go to that person's house and knock on the door?


Cubby (00:07:48):

No, I'm tempted to because it pisses me off. But also I'm a nice guy, as you know, and you guys are all nice people and I'm always willing to give the benefit of the doubt. And I'm almost thinking maybe QVC made a mistake because it's the same name as me, first and last. It is New Jersey, it's where I live.


Barnes (00:08:04):

That leans to a mistake if it's the same name.


Cubby (00:08:07):

It's the same but they could have used my name because of billing purposes.


Leslie (00:08:11):

Barnes would have gone to the house 10 hours ago.


Barnes (00:08:14):



Cubby (00:08:15):

So I canceled my credit card and QVC and all that.


Barnes (00:08:19):

I think it sounds like a mistake. Same name.


Leslie (00:08:21):

Wait a second, Cubby, quick question. Is there a possibility that after one of the five o'clock Jager shots that you might have called QVC ...


Barnes (00:08:31):

I want a Roomba.


Leslie (00:08:31):

Come on.


Cubby (00:08:34):

Actually, not at all because my wife and I talk about every big purchase and she would have killed me if I had done that without her knowing.


Leslie (00:08:42):

That's expensive. I didn't know that's how much the thing was.


Cubby (00:08:44):

It was like $850.


Speaker 1 (00:08:46):

Get money. Get paid. Welcome to Pop Quiz on the Pop Culture Show. Get one question about last week's show correct and win cash. Here we go.


Barnes (00:09:00):

Money, money, money, money. Say hey to Christine Fitzgerald. Hey, Christine.


Christine (00:09:04):



Cubby (00:09:04):

Welcome, Christine. Where are you at right now?


Christine (00:09:07):

I am in Woodstock, Georgia.


Barnes (00:09:08):



Cubby (00:09:08):



Barnes (00:09:09):

You're the first person ever to play Pop Quiz and ...


Christine (00:09:11):

I know. I've been listening to you guys since 1996. So this is just ... I'm so happy.


Barnes (00:09:16):

Well, that's great.


Leslie (00:09:17):

Thank you.


Barnes (00:09:18):

We just started the show this March so that's amazing.


Christine (00:09:20):

I know. I've been listening to the show since episode one and telling all my friends. It's been great.


Barnes (00:09:26):

Well, thank you.


Leslie (00:09:26):

Thank you so much.


Cubby (00:09:28):

It means a lot. Thank you.


Barnes (00:09:29):

We knew somebody was listening. We just didn't know who.


Christine (00:09:31):

Well here I am. Hi.


Barnes (00:09:34):

Someone like you who listens a lot, this is going to be a no-brainer, you're going to win the money, which is going to make everyone else mad. Because if you don't win the 50 bucks, it's going to go up next week.


Christine (00:09:44):



Cubby (00:09:45):

So are you ready to play, Christine?


Christine (00:09:47):

I am ready to play.


Cubby (00:09:48):

All right. I mean, it's rather easy for you if you listen to every second of the episode last week.


Christine (00:09:53):

I did. I did.


Cubby (00:09:53):

So here we go. Charles Esten was our guest last week. We talked about how he auditioned for Band of Brothers, but he lost the role to what actor? I need the first and last name. You have 10 seconds. Go.


Christine (00:10:10):

Damian Lewis.


Barnes (00:10:10):

Two seconds. That's unbelievable.


Christine (00:10:18):

I love him so much so I listened to that part very intently. I'm a big fan of his.


Barnes (00:10:23):

We thought this is a hard question.


Leslie (00:10:24):

Excellent. Excellent. Excellent.


Barnes (00:10:26):

Okay, Cubby, get her Venmo and give her 50 bucks.


Leslie (00:10:30):



Cubby (00:10:31):

I will.


Christine (00:10:31):

Thank you so much.


Leslie (00:10:33):

We appreciate you listening, too.


Christine (00:10:34):

Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm so glad you're back. It's made my Monday so much happier.


Barnes (00:10:40):

This is awesome. Well, please, hold on one second. We're going to put you in the green room and we'll get your Venmo or your Apple Pay or your whatever, your PayPal, and we'll hit you with 50 bucks.


Christine (00:10:50):

Thank you so much.


Barnes (00:10:51):

You're very welcome.


Leslie (00:10:51):

It's actually like, this turned out to be pretty easy, Barnes. Seriously, all you have to do to join in on the fun and win some easy money is just comment, "Quiz me. Quiz me." Just go to our Facebook, the pinned page and just say Quiz Me to win cash.


Barnes (00:11:08):

There's a pinned post at the very top. Just on that and put Quiz Me and you're set.


Cubby (00:11:12):

Christine, can you do us a favor?


Christine (00:11:14):



Cubby (00:11:14):

Now that you love us so much, can you post on your social how much you love this new podcast called the Pop Culture Show and you should listen to it just on your Facebook?


Christine (00:11:22):



Cubby (00:11:23):

Just spread the word because we have five people, I think, listening.


Christine (00:11:26):

I will absolutely.


Barnes (00:11:27):

Now that you're on payroll. So it's [crosstalk 00:11:29]


Cubby (00:11:30):

You're getting paid now. Exactly.


Christine (00:11:31):



Barnes (00:11:32):

Congratulations, Christine. Thanks for playing Pop Quiz.


Christine (00:11:34):

Thank you so much.


Leslie (00:11:34):

A lot of celebrity news this week, guys. And at the end, we're going to talk about the highest paid celebrities. Some of them I'm sure you'll be like a no-brainer. But I saw this and thought it was really interesting. What do you think is the biggest most liked tweet of all time?


Barnes (00:11:51):

Well, it had to be Chadwick Boseman.


Leslie (00:11:53):

It is. It's the tweets sent from his official account announcing his passing. That is the most-liked Tweet of all time.


Barnes (00:12:00):

I've seen that. Story has been around all week. I've been seeing it everywhere. I was surprised that that ... I wonder what it was before that.


Leslie (00:12:06):

I'm not sure about that but there's a couple other stories. I don't know if you've seen some of his fans, the Black Panther fans, are saying, "Hey, Marvel, you can't recast the Black Panther." Because there's a couple of movies coming out. So I don't know what they're going to do but fans are up in arms going, "You cannot recast this part."


Cubby (00:12:24):

What are they thinking? Re-title?


Leslie (00:12:25):

I don't know. I don't know. It's just he gave such a brilliant performance.


Barnes (00:12:29):

Why not honor him with casting it in a ... I don't think you need to shut the franchise down. It's horrible that he's passed. But I think he would probably say, "No, you've got to keep this going."


Cubby (00:12:41):

Right. And dedicate it to him when the movie starts.


Leslie (00:12:44):

I'll tell you what, another big score though for Netflix. They're going to get his final movie that he ever made. It's Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. It's about August Wilson, played by a Pulitzer Prize winning writer August Wilson and it's about this blues icon name Ma Rainey. Netflix got it. I mean, Netflix is just on fire. I've been reading all this stuff this week about Netflix. Did you see where they're going to offer a bunch of free stuff on Netflix this week?


Barnes (00:13:14):

They're going to streaming Stranger Things maybe and ...


Leslie (00:13:17):

The unpay wall. It's a watch free and they have The Two Popes, the first episode of Stranger Things, Birdbox, a lot of stuff.


Cubby (00:13:30):

The power of Netflix, Cobra Kai was on YouTube a year and a half ago, that was the Karate Kid reboot. I saw it a year and a half ago. But all weekend, people have been talking about, "Cobra Kai on Netflix. Just binged it. It's so good." I'm like, "I knew about this a year and a half ago." But because Netflix picked it up, it took it to a whole new level.


Barnes (00:13:49):

Well, actually YouTube vacated it.


Cubby (00:13:51):

Did they?


Barnes (00:13:52):

You're right. They're getting out of original production.


Cubby (00:13:56):

I didn't know that.


Barnes (00:13:56):

So they bought the rights to those first two, but yes, they did pick it up. What's wild is there are people talking about it and I just can't ... I tried to start it, I'm 10 minutes in. I have a hard time with retro stuff.


Cubby (00:14:11):

It's not bad though. Give it a chance, please.


Barnes (00:14:13):

I am. I'm 10 minutes in and I'm going to give Staten Island King, whatever that thing, a chance.


Leslie (00:14:17):

Staten Island King, whatever. Now I heard about the show, Carrie Underwood tweeted about it and everybody's talking about it. But I had no idea, Cubby, that it had started on YouTube. It's the same when you guys made fun of me about the Michael Jordan, the documentary The Last Dance. I mean, I never watched it on ESPN. It had a whole new life on Netflix.


Barnes (00:14:39):

It's so good. But Cobra Kai was filmed here in Atlanta mostly.


Leslie (00:14:42):

Cobra Kai.


Barnes (00:14:43):

You can't tell watching it.


Cubby (00:14:44):

Check out CBS Sunday morning. Great piece on Netflix and how they have just exploded ...


Barnes (00:14:50):



Cubby (00:14:51):

... since the pandemic started.


Leslie (00:14:53):

How about a $100 million Netflix deal from Meghan and Harry?


Cubby (00:14:59):

Is it official?


Leslie (00:15:00):

Well, I don't know if it's official but apparently they're talking to them about TV show, documentaries, films, scripted kid's programs, everything.


Barnes (00:15:09):

Why is everybody all up on them? What do they have to say? I mean serious, why are they such a hot commodity?


Leslie (00:15:17):

I think people actually really liked him. He was like the bad brother and a lot of people were fans of hers when she was an actress. I don't know what the allure is.


Barnes (00:15:25):

A lot of people think she's an opportunist.


Leslie (00:15:29):

That has been obviously ... I don't know if you ever saw some of the vicious things that Piers Morgan had to say about her.


Barnes (00:15:35):

I'll start with the royal family, for one. What do you think her ass is on the outside? It's just strange.


Cubby (00:15:41):

Yeah, I don't care about it, to be honest with you. I know some people live and breathe it.


Leslie (00:15:45):

Okay, who has 200 million followers on Instagram?


Barnes (00:15:49):

Not us.


Leslie (00:15:50):

First female to reach that, Ariana Grande. 200 million.


Cubby (00:15:55):

I remember when Katy Perry was on top for a while and Justin Bieber. But Ariana Grande now, huh?


Leslie (00:15:59):

Guess who's second place?


Barnes (00:16:00):

You know what would be a fun bit is between the three of us, we have to try and book a guest that we know one of the other two can't stand. That would be a great segment.


Leslie (00:16:12):

So you're saying you want me to get Meghan Markle on or ...


Barnes (00:16:15):

I don't even know who that is. Oh, yeah, that's her. I'm saying someone notable that you've been like, "Ugh, really?" Cubby would try to book Ariana Grande on the show and then I'd have to stomach it the whole time.


Cubby (00:16:27):

You would love it because she has 200 million followers and she would turn that to the podcast.


Leslie (00:16:31):

True. Okay, coming in second place is Kylie Jenner with 193 million Instagram followers.


Cubby (00:16:41):

I'm still suspect because you can buy so many things. I still don't know if they're real people but whatever.


Leslie (00:16:47):

All right, quiz for you guys. When was the last time Arnold Schwarzenegger was on television? Because he's coming back.


Barnes (00:16:55):

He hosted The Apprentice.


Leslie (00:16:57):

Yep. Celebrity Apprentice. 2017.


Barnes (00:17:00):

It was awful.


Leslie (00:17:03):

Well, now he is going to start a global spy adventure for television revolving around a father and a daughter.


Barnes (00:17:11):

That might work.


Leslie (00:17:11):

I know this coming back to TV.


Cubby (00:17:12):

Do you think he went away for a while after all that whole housekeeping incident?


Leslie (00:17:17):

Yes, such an embarrassment and sad actually. Mariah Carey just got a big Apple TV deal. She's going to do a magical Christmas special with a lot of big guests. I wonder how much she got paid for that.


Barnes (00:17:29):

Cubby, you know Mariah Carey?


Cubby (00:17:31):

I don't know her, interviewed her a million times.


Barnes (00:17:33):

I asked because New York, I mean, you get a lot of people on there.


Cubby (00:17:36):

She used to come up to Z100 all the time.


Barnes (00:17:38):

Is she nice?


Cubby (00:17:40):

She's really nice, but a lot of maintenance involved. I mean, you know ...


Leslie (00:17:45):

Can't deny that voice.


Cubby (00:17:47):

They come in an hour ahead of time before an interview because everything is filmed for online, and her people come in an hour before. "Where she's sitting? Where's the lights?"


Barnes (00:17:56):

Where's your president?


Cubby (00:17:56):

"Don't film this side." It's pretty high maintenance.


Leslie (00:18:00):

She does have a side. I remember that, right? Which side is one ...


Cubby (00:18:03):

It's her left. No. Let me think. She doesn't want her left really to be seen a lot. It's mainly her right. That's what she prefers.


Barnes (00:18:10):

What's wrong with her left?


Cubby (00:18:11):

I don't know. I think it looks fine. But you'll notice a lot of her videos and pictures, she's really, right side is more ...


Barnes (00:18:19):

[inaudible 00:18:19] a devil tidbit, Cubby.


Leslie (00:18:20):

I love that. They're celebrating the 25th anniversary of All I Want For Christmas. That always makes the charts every year anyway because it's one of the most popular Christmas songs. You know what she should do is invite Nick Cannon on the show.


Barnes (00:18:34):

Don't they hate each other?


Leslie (00:18:36):

I don't know if they hated ... I think they're amicable, right?


Cubby (00:18:39):

I agree. I think they're civil. I think it might have gotten bad there for a second the first it happened, but I think they've cleared the air a bit.


Leslie (00:18:47):

So I didn't see a lot of fanfare on David Blaine and flying with the balloons but it just happened. I guess I did it live on YouTube, but he floated over the Arizona desert holding about 50 helium balloons. Did you watch the video for that?


Barnes (00:19:04):

I saw a clip of it.


Cubby (00:19:04):

I saw the clip. That was it.


Barnes (00:19:07):

YouTube pay for that?


Leslie (00:19:09):

I'm not sure. He floated 24,900 feet, which is about 4.7 miles and then he parachuted back to the ground.


Cubby (00:19:18):

Is it bad that I just don't care? He did a few things 20 years ago. It was really kind of cool.


Leslie (00:19:25):

So weird I didn't hear anything about it. By the way, we had known that the Rock had COVID, Dwayne Johnson. I guess he's better now but he's talking about it.


Dwayne Johnson (00:19:35):

My wife, Lauren, as well as my two baby girls and myself, we have all tested positive for COVID-19. I can tell you that this has been one of the most challenging and difficult things we have ever had to endure as a family. And for me personally, too, as well. I've gone through some doozies in the past.


Barnes (00:19:58):

Is that now? I know the clip is now but is this from the past they tested positive?


Leslie (00:20:05):

Yeah, because they said he's on the other side of it right now.


Barnes (00:20:07):

I just wonder how long ago that was.


Cubby (00:20:09):

Do you know how they first suspected that they had it? No one could smell what he was cooking. Good night everybody, drive safely.


Leslie (00:20:19):

Then you saw Robert Pattinson has COVID, and he was in that number one movie over the weekend, Tenet.


Barnes (00:20:25):

I shouldn't even say this.


Leslie (00:20:31):

He's like the new Batman.


Barnes (00:20:32):

These sets and their protocols are kind of a joke. I mean, you walk by and they stick a thing near you and they go like, "Raise your nose up. You don't have COVID. Keep working." But when Batman gets it, you have to stop. I think that they probably overlook a lot. I don't have facts, I'm just saying that the tests ... My friends that work in the business say the testing is a joke.


Leslie (00:20:55):

I will tell you that I'm ...


Barnes (00:20:55):

They touch you and, "Nope, you don't have it."


Leslie (00:21:00):

... working for Viacom and they just had the VMAs and now we're working on the CMT Music Awards, the protocols are really, really, really strict.


Barnes (00:21:09):

Good. It should be.


Leslie (00:21:09):

Not quarantining and yeah.


Barnes (00:21:10):

Shows that are out in the field, they're getting very liberal with their testing.


Leslie (00:21:15):

By the way, I didn't mention this at the top of the show, but I watched Mulan, which Lanie has been wanting to watch. Remember it was supposed to have a huge theatrical release, but it came to Disney Plus over the weekend, we paid 29.95, 30 bucks for it. Because even if you have Disney Plus, you still have to pay for it. So it'll be really interesting to see how well it does.


Cubby (00:21:35):

That's messed up, by the way. You're already paying for a subscription and then you have to pay on top of that?


Leslie (00:21:42):

You have to pay on top of that. But I'm imagining of you have a family with a bunch of kids and stuff, that's still cheaper than going to the theater, right?


Cubby (00:21:48):

True. True.


Leslie (00:21:49):

Did you guys see that Billy Eilish is going to help design the logo for the 2028 Olympics?


Barnes (00:21:55):

That girl, she's so talented. She's getting so many cool unique gigs.


Leslie (00:21:59):

They're bringing 20 different creators. Well, I love what she said, is she said, "The font I chose is the font that I use for my logo. And who knows if that's going to be relevant in my life in eight years. But I have this whole thing about not wanting to please my past self or future self. It's all about pleasing your present self." That's what she had to say.


Cubby (00:22:19):

She's got a big future.


Leslie (00:22:20):

So should we go through the highest paid celebrities?


Barnes (00:22:23):

Of the year or of all time?


Leslie (00:22:26):

No, it says The Highest Paid Celebrities. This is the annual list from Forbes.


Cubby (00:22:31):

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought we talked about how the Rock was leading one poll last week or two weeks ago.


Leslie (00:22:37):

Yes. I have the top 10. He is number 10.


Cubby (00:22:40):

The Rock is number 10?


Barnes (00:22:42):

I thought he was one. I thought he was one.


Leslie (00:22:44):

No. This is the Highest Paid Celebrities of 2020.


Cubby (00:22:47):

Here we go.


Leslie (00:22:48):

He's number 10, 87.5 million. LeBron James is number nine.


Barnes (00:22:53):

Look at that. That's with Coronavirus, people. Get off your couch.


Leslie (00:22:56):

It's crazy. 88.2. Howard Stern, 90 million at number eight. Number seven, Neymar, 95.5 million, soccer player. Tyler Perry at six. Tyler Perry is just always on fire, 97 million. Lionel Messi, I didn't know who that was. I had to Google him, 104 million. He's another soccer player. Number four soccer, Cristiano Ronaldo, 105. Did I say it okay?


Cubby (00:23:23):

Yeah, you nailed it.


Leslie (00:23:24):

105 million. Roger Federer, Barnes, 106.3 million.


Barnes (00:23:29):



Leslie (00:23:30):

Ain't that crazy?


Barnes (00:23:31):



Leslie (00:23:32):

Kanye West, 170 million at number two.


Barnes (00:23:36):



Leslie (00:23:36):

Any guesses as to the number one overall celebrity?


Barnes (00:23:39):



Cubby (00:23:41):

I'm going to go ...


Barnes (00:23:42):

Number one?


Cubby (00:23:43):

I mean, Justin Bieber?


Leslie (00:23:45):

That's a good guess.


Barnes (00:23:48):

Kim Kardashian.


Cubby (00:23:49):

Kim Kardashian.


Leslie (00:23:50):

No, it's in the family though.


Barnes (00:23:52):



Leslie (00:23:53):



Cubby (00:23:54):



Leslie (00:23:54):

Kylie Jenner, 590 million because she has that cosmetic line.


Barnes (00:23:59):

How does Kim handle that? She's not longer the queen. There is some new music going to run through. I was so impressed to hear ... Have you guys heard ... I'll play it and you'll know instantly who it is. And then of course, I'll tell you who it is. Have you heard this yet? (music) It's The New Bush. It's 1998 again, baby.


Cubby (00:24:20):

It sounds good. Gavin would be a great guest [crosstalk 00:24:23]


Leslie (00:24:23):

I love Gavin Rossdale.


Barnes (00:24:24):

I texted him this week. I haven't heard back from him, but I hope to get him on.


Cubby (00:24:27):

There's the name drop. We got one.


Barnes (00:24:29):

You just said you'd like to have him on. He was a-


Cubby (00:24:31):

I know, but just the way you said it, so nonchalantly, "Yeah, I texted him."


Leslie (00:24:35):

Very sad with what happened with he and Gwen, but back in the day, he and Barnes did hang out a lot. Seriously.


Barnes (00:24:44):

All the time.


Cubby (00:24:44):

No, I think you're ... I'll give you that. I do remember that.


Barnes (00:24:44):

We used to play tennis and all kinds of crazy stuff. So that's The New Bush. The album Front To Back is great. Check it out on whatever your streamer is. This is new from Sheryl Crow. (music)


Cubby (00:25:09):

She's always been nice. I know we've all met her a million times, right?


Barnes (00:25:11):

She's awesome.


Leslie (00:25:12):

She lives in Nashville.


Barnes (00:25:14):

Can you text her, Leslie?


Leslie (00:25:16):

She's awesome.


Cubby (00:25:16):

You can text her?


Leslie (00:25:17):

Her barn is nicer than most people's houses.


Cubby (00:25:20):

Please text her.


Barnes (00:25:20):

I like Sheryl. Tell her we miss her. I'm sure you've all listened to the new 6ix9ine, Punani. (music) Now here come a lot of beeps. (music) [crosstalk 00:25:48] and so on and so forth. Leslie, you know what Punani is?


Leslie (00:25:55):

I don't.


Barnes (00:25:57):

Oh, boy.


Cubby (00:25:58):

You're kidding.


Leslie (00:25:59):

No. What is it?


Cubby (00:26:00):

It's like a [inaudible 00:26:01].


Leslie (00:26:01):

It is?


Barnes (00:26:02):

It's not like a [inaudible 00:26:04]. It's a little ...


Cubby (00:26:06):

It's in that area.


Leslie (00:26:07):

Don't ask me to Google it, I'm not going to.


Barnes (00:26:09):

Leslie, what is punani?


Leslie (00:26:11):

I don't know.


Barnes (00:26:13):

P-U-N-A-N-I, look it up. Learning with Leslie, that's what the segment will be called.


Leslie (00:26:22):

Don't make me do this.


Barnes (00:26:23):

Punani, you've got to get hip to your pop culture.


Cubby (00:26:27):

This is the Pop Culture Show.


Barnes (00:26:29):

Learning with Leslie. Okay, go ahead. P-U-N-A-N-I.


Leslie (00:26:33):

It means beautiful flower.


Barnes (00:26:35):

Okay, keep going. What is it [inaudible 00:26:41]? What's a punani?


Leslie (00:26:45):

Hawaiian slang for vagina.


Barnes (00:26:50):

There you go. Leslie, you learned something today. The next time you hear punani ...


Leslie (00:26:54):

I learn every week on the Pop Culture Show.


Barnes (00:26:57):

So now listen to this song with a whole new ears. (music)


Cubby (00:27:06):

And we found our Pop Quiz question for next week.


Barnes (00:27:12):

All right, three more. I didn't know that this guy was still making music. This is another ... Can you tell who this is? Listen. (music) This is new.


Cubby (00:27:28):

I will tell you I like it. I love that house sound.


Barnes (00:27:31):

Billy Ocean.


Cubby (00:27:33):

Billy Ocean? Get the hell out. I love it. He's '70s, right?


Barnes (00:27:35):

It's called One World. His voice is so perfect.


Leslie (00:27:38):

I like Billy Ocean.


Barnes (00:27:40):

Two more. Aloe Blacc. (music) He's got a great voice, too.


Leslie (00:28:01):

He does.


Barnes (00:28:01):

Very distinctive. And last one, Phineas has a new song. We all know who Phineas's sister is, don't we?


Leslie (00:28:07):

Mm-hmm (affirmative), mm-hmm (affirmative). Billy Eilish's brother.


Barnes (00:28:10):

Yeah, Billy Eilish. I'm just making sure. (music) It's very sad. Who does he sound like? Sounds like almost ...


Cubby (00:28:41):

I was just thinking that. Like Coldplay for me.


Barnes (00:28:41):

Like a David Gray kind of thing. Yeah, like Coldplay. All new this week.


Cubby (00:28:46):

Barnes, Leslie, one of you have to have a Peloton. You strike me as Peloton people. I know for sure.


Leslie (00:28:53):

No, I have a rebounder.


Cubby (00:28:55):

What's a rebounder?


Leslie (00:28:56):

It's like a small trampoline.


Barnes (00:28:58):

Dude, she has it in her living room.


Leslie (00:28:59):

Yeah. I do 200 jumping jacks.


Barnes (00:29:03):

At random moments, they come over and do jumping jacks on a trampoline in their living room. I'm not kidding.


Cubby (00:29:09):

Well, God bless you. That's more exercise than what I'm getting.


Barnes (00:29:11):

I was editing last time I was there and all the sudden Lanie came out of nowhere and started flying in the sky like he's part of Cirque du Soleil. I'm like, "What's happening? What is this?"


Leslie (00:29:23):

But I have thought about the Peloton.


Cubby (00:29:25):

I've got great news because I've been thinking of a Peloton, too. It's been a little bit out of my budget. They are preparing to launch a cheaper treadmill and a new high end bike and they're going to cut the price of their existing bike. This new treadmill called Tread is going to cost less than $3,000 compared to $4,295 the current model. It'll be smaller and have a cheaper belt design like most other treadmills on the market versus the current models, slat design. The new stationary bike will be a premium offering called Bike Plus, and it will likely cost more than the current $2,245 version. Peloton will then drop the price of the existing machine to less than $1,900. That's the rumor mill. But shares have been falling.


Leslie (00:30:14):

That's really smart on their part.


Barnes (00:30:16):

That's a cult. It's almost like SoulCycle. Those people are into it no matter what you say.


Leslie (00:30:21):

Now, have you seen The Mirror?


Barnes (00:30:23):

I see the ad.


Cubby (00:30:24):

I've seen commercials for it.


Leslie (00:30:26):

It's pretty expensive, too. I think it's around five grand. It's expensive.


Barnes (00:30:28):

Is that a fake person or is it a real person?


Leslie (00:30:35):

I'm not sure. The designer, you mean? I'm not sure but ...


Barnes (00:30:35):

Can you like order like, "I want a blonde, 40 ..."


Leslie (00:30:39):

Your custom trainer. Barnes's custom trainer.


Barnes (00:30:42):

Can you build your virtual trainer or is it just a person that ...


Leslie (00:30:44):

That would be brilliant but...


Barnes (00:30:46):

... that pops on? I don't know.


Cubby (00:30:48):

Again, I'm happy about this because I've been on the border, I've been on the fence here and I think if it goes under $3,000.


Leslie (00:30:55):

He says that as he's tucking his shirt in.


Cubby (00:30:57):

I know because I'm feeling so fat guys. I really am feeling fat.


Barnes (00:31:00):

Put them in a category with Netflix. The pandemic has been very, very good to them.


Cubby (00:31:03):

Yeah, it really has.


Barnes (00:31:08):

Our next guest is the director of, as I put it last week, every show on TV, I think.


Leslie (00:31:14):

Pretty much.


Barnes (00:31:15):

Shark Tank, The Bachelor, Bachelorette, Family Feud, To Tell the Truth. Help me, Ken.


Ken Fuchs (00:31:21):

Celebrity Family Feud.


Barnes (00:31:23):

Celebrity Family Feud.


Ken Fuchs (00:31:25):

Misery Index.


Barnes (00:31:25):

See, I'm not kidding. Ken Fuchs, welcome to the show, sir.


Ken Fuchs (00:31:28):

Thank you. Thanks for having me.


Leslie (00:31:30):

Ken, how did you get started? I mean, this is pretty incredible resume. How does one get started as a director and now you have this incredible resume?


Ken Fuchs (00:31:38):

Well, that's a good question. I think if you ask 10 directors, you get 10 different answers. My path was a little circuitous. I started in production right out of college and I worked my way up in the production ranks, which gave me a really solid footing in how things are done and actually, I think made me a better director. Then somewhere along the line of being a production manager or line producer, I started AD-ing, assistant directing and then that led to directing. So I sort of moved up one ladder, jumped sideways into the more of the directing track and then got my break on a late night NBC talk show called Later with Greg Kinnear, which was a 1:30 AM talk show. Bob Costas used to host and then Greg took over, and I was the AD on that for many years and then started directing that.


Barnes (00:32:35):

Well, what was the first big show? When I say big, prime time. How did that jump happen? Because that's a big you know, 1:30 in the morning AM, on a network is of course, it's a big break, but the shows you're doing now are iconic.


Ken Fuchs (00:32:53):

I don't know exactly. I think I came around ... My career kind of coincided with the advent of ... Well, there was always variety television and non-scripted television. So I had the late night gig and that led to a daytime talk show with Roseanne. The ill-fated Roseanne talk show.


Barnes (00:33:13):

That did very well though, didn't it?


Ken Fuchs (00:33:18):

Not particularly.


Barnes (00:33:19):

No? I thought it did well.


Ken Fuchs (00:33:20):

It ran for two years and it didn't do good.


Barnes (00:33:22):

Oh, Roseanne. I'm thinking of Rosie.


Ken Fuchs (00:33:26):

No, no, no. Not Rosie. Roseanne.


Barnes (00:33:29):

I can see that. That had to be problematic.


Ken Fuchs (00:33:32):

It was incredibly complicated every day.


Barnes (00:33:37):

Did she used to yell at people?


Ken Fuchs (00:33:38):

Yeah. She'd yell at you and she'd love you and she'd hug you and she'd ... She was unbelievable. It was everything you would think it would be. I look back on it fondly and she was actually ... We actually were very close. But it was very difficult and just chaotic. It was just a lot of chaos in her life and in her brain. But super talented. She would have the interview once a week and she would say things and ask questions that nobody else would ask. So I think she was actually brilliant and creative and talented in a certain way. And then sort of challenged in another way.


Cubby (00:34:21):

Well, Ken, now you got me wondering. I know you don't work with Ellen DeGeneres but she's been ... You hear people say she's difficult. Do you know anybody at that camp that [crosstalk 00:34:31]


Ken Fuchs (00:34:31):

Hundred and hundreds of people have been through that camp.


Barnes (00:34:34):

Is this a sensitive topic?


Ken Fuchs (00:34:35):

Not for me. Not for me, no. I have no problem ... I don't know the woman, I only did ... I actually did the pilot for that talk show. It wasn't an airing pilot so they call it a presentation. But because I was working with Telepictures on Bachelor, they brought Ellen into the stage where we were shooting a Bachelor show and did a quickie sort of talk show, a couple segments to see if it worked.


Barnes (00:35:01):

Like a mock up?


Ken Fuchs (00:35:02):

Yeah, mockup. Mm-hmm (affirmative), exactly.


Barnes (00:35:05):

And you're saying what? That she was difficult then?


Ken Fuchs (00:35:08):

I don't know it was difficult, but I certainly didn't feel that warm and fuzzy feeling at the end of it. So I can't personally pass judgment on her. But I know over the 17 years of that talk show, the stories coming out of there have been pretty consistent and not very flattering.


Barnes (00:35:27):

So these stories aren't new. These have been going on for…

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