Cancel culture with Chinese characteristics, and Brexit’s Super Saturday
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This week Darren Lim fires up the Democracy Sausage barbecue for a sizzling discussion on corporate responsibility, censorship, and China, as he chats to Jill Sheppard and Nathan Attrill about the recent NBA controversy. The panel also discuss how Chinese censorship plays out in Hollywood and the role of Universities in navigating relations with the country.

In the second half of the pod, Darren is joined by Mark Kenny from London where he talks about the weekend’s People’s March, the UK Government’s latest setback, and when a Brexit EU extension letter is not a Brexit EU extension letter. 

Darren Lim is a Lecturer in International Relations at The Australian National University. His research primarily focuses on economic statecraft and the foundations of interdependence.

Mark Kenny is a Senior Fellow in the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the university after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, and The Canberra Times.

Jill Sheppard is a political scientist at the School of Politics and International Relations at The Australian National University. Her research focuses on why people participate in politics, what opinions they hold and why, and how both are shaped by political institutions and systems.

Nathan Attrill is a PhD scholar in policy and governance at the Crawford School of Public Policy. His research areas include Chinese domestic politics, history, and political economy.

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Politics with Michelle Grattan: economist Danielle Wood on Australia's 'blokey' budget
Mick Tsikas/AAP In his budget reply, Anthony Albanese said women have suffered most during the pandemic, but were reduced to a footnote in the budget. He promised a Labor government would undertake a generous reshaping of the childcare subsidy to enable more women to join the workforce or to work more hours. This week, Michelle Grattan talks to Grattan Institute CEO Danielle Wood who, in writing for the Australian Financial Review, described the budget as “blokey”: “We look at those areas that have received direct support - construction… the energy sector, defence, manufacturing, all of those areas where the government has put direct money into a particular sector - they tend to be male dominated sectors. "And actually often they’re not the ones that have taken the hardest hit in this recession. "The sectors that have been hit really hard: hospitality, tourism, the arts, recreation, administrative services tend to be actually slightly more female dominated… we really don’t see any direct assistance for those sectors in the budget. ” When asked about the budget generally Wood, the president of the Economic Society of Australia, is concerned all the eggs have been put into the “private sector basket”. “If it doesn’t pay off, then we may see unemployment sticking around for a long time to come.” In the Grattan institute’s report, co-authored by Wood, and titled Cheaper Childcare, Wood endorsed reform in a similar vein to Albanese’s proposal. “Our numbers suggest that for every dollar that you spend reforming the subsidy…you return more than two dollars in additional GDP,” she says. “The Labor reforms… you’re probably talking, if its $2 billion a year… something in the vicinity of $5 billion return each year for GDP.” Additional audio A List of Ways to Die, Lee Rosevere, from Free Music Archive. Michelle Grattan does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.
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A Rational Fear
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Brand new 50 year old Submarines — Zoë Coombs Marr, Concetta Caristo, Lidia Thorpe, Lewis Hobba, Dan Ilic — October 30th
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Unknown Speaker  0:00   This podcast is supported in part by the Bertha Foundation. Dan Ilic  0:05   Oh, hello Lewis. Lewis Hobba  0:07   Hello Daniel. How are you? Dan Ilic  0:08   I'm well and well have things in your neck of the woods. Lewis Hobba  0:11   Correct and I don't know if you've heard 2020 my year. I'm okay, I'm having a no right time all things considered. Dan Ilic  0:19   I know it's a it's a rough time for all sorts of people. But we'll get into that we've got a podcast to discuss those sorts of things. We want to thank our Patreon supporters who have jumped on board this week, including Chris Kohler and Tom crean again, if you want to support us on Patreon you can head over to forward slash rational fear and not just a way to support irrational fears buy two carbon offset the emissions of your car with a go neutral sticker. For every $90 sticker go neutral. We'll buy 3.5 tonnes of offsets which is about the yearly emissions of a car and five bucks that comes to us. I've got it I've got a little sticker on the back of my car people think oh, well that 2000 Carolla that's, that's covered. That's good. Lewis Hobba  0:58   It's the only bloody thing about the show. That is neutral. All right, dad. Dan Ilic  1:04   Yeah, fuck you, ABC. We're taking positions for left wing inner city lefties. I'm recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in your nation's sovereignty was never said. We need a treaty. Let's stop the shark. VO  1:17   A Russian mafia contains naughty words like bricks cambro gum, and section 40 of a rational fear recommended listening by immature audiences. Dan Ilic  1:30   Tonight after 112 days Melbourne has eased lockdown restrictions However, some hipster cafes have remained closed to be ironic. And water is discovered on the moon but it turns out it can't be used for anything as it's already owned by Angus Taylor. And in just under a week, the season finale of the United States of America is on who will get fine that week. I'm excited. It's Halloween 2020 or as we call it in Australia book quake. This is arrested Oh fair. Hello, welcome to rational faith. I'm your host former sexy nurse Dan Ilic. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She's a comedian improviser and radio broadcasting from Sydney her 2019 festival showed loose one so much critical acclaim that it got picked up to be part of the 2020 bats festival at Gryphon theatre company which probably got cancelled, after organise realises that she was a little tireless, just because of COVID-19 is Kanchana Christo. Concetta Caristo  2:37   Oh my god. Hey, it's me. The cancelled woman. Good to be here. Dan Ilic  2:44   She's the multiple award winning lockdown special having jewel personality performing hyphenated hyphenating. It's a privilege to have the double barreled Triple Threat herself. Zoe combs Ma. Zoë Coombs Marr  2:55   It's Zoe knowledge, actually. Unknown Speaker  3:01   reputation. Really? You know, Zoë Coombs Marr  3:07   I am waiting to be congratulated before it really happens all the time. I get confused. Like, I love you on the checkout. Unknown Speaker  3:15   That's not me. That's Lewis Hobba  3:19   crazy. Dan Ilic  3:25   And he is one half of wedding magic act pen and haba it's Louis haba. Wow. Oh, my Lewis Hobba  3:31   God. I was thinking the other day. I want to go and get my like, Unknown Speaker  3:37   matching Lewis Hobba  3:38   my Nike glasses. No. No, I want to go and get ordained so that I can marry people. All right, because I emcee a lot of weddings and a lot of friends weddings. I just happen to you guys, as people who talk in the market price for family you get asked to me every wedding. Plus I can sometimes DJ weddings. So if I can do the marrying? I'm a one man wedding band. Wow. Wow. I'm actually Concetta Caristo  3:59   I'm trying to get my magic lessons so that Lewis Hobba  4:02   I really feel about the magic of Dan Ilic  4:05   coming up a little later on. We're gonna be talking to Senator Lydia Thor about the directions tree stuff that's going on in Victoria. It's very sad stuff. We'll be talking with her a little bit later on. But first, let's hear a message from our sponsor. Vladimir Putin  4:22   Fellow I am American friend Vladimir Putin. These unprecedented times require some president. So me President of Russia is encouraging Americans to vote president of USA. I know how dangerous election season can be. I was only candidate in the Russian election who didn't have horrible accident. So it's important to pick someone who's a strong man standing for you. That is why I endorse Joe Biden. Not because he's strong, but because Donald Trump will default on long and I will finally get me universe Belgium at a very cheap price. Of course, if you were good American patriot you may do opposite of what I say I don't give a fuck. USA is fun to watch burn down. And Vladimir Putin and I approve this message. Dan Ilic  5:18   The first fear this week it's the most magical time in politics. It's senate estimates happy senate estimates everyone, I hope you're having a fantastic set of estimates. This year, this is where we thought you bless you. Senator. Lidia Thorpe  5:32   with you. Also with you have your Dan Ilic  5:34   part of Senate estimates is cut is like taking a whole bunch of receipts and throwing them at your friends. Yes, bless you, bless you. It's where we find out just how far public servants will go to protect the ministers from scrutiny. Last week, of course, we learned that you can get a Cartier watch by simply working at Australia Post and doing a good job. This week, we learned that our first submarine could be launched in around 37 years. Yes. The new subs are coming and they're gonna be coming about when the iPhone 49 will be released. Yes, it's very exciting. Incidentally, the iPhone 49 will have an inbuilt submarine. So you know, that'll be redundant. The subs gonna cost us $90 billion. The iPhone, iPhone 49 will only cost us a billion dollars. So you know, you do the math. fishmonger's doesn't bother you that these new submarines that we're building today won't be working in our waters until it's 37 years. Concetta Caristo  6:31   No, actually, because I spoke to a psychic this week. And she said that in 2015 it's gonna be a really good time for me. So I think that it's like actually a good time for the submarines and for me, and so that's sort of why it's happening. So I'm really stoked about it. Yeah. Lewis Hobba  6:45   And are you an Aquarius? Concetta Caristo  6:48   Aquarius. I'm a Libra. So no, no, Unknown Speaker  6:53   not a water sign today. Concetta Caristo  6:55   Thank you so much. I lied. I'm sorry. I'm being such a politician right now. Sorry, Zoë Coombs Marr  7:03   Leo. I feel like I fe…
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