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With The Perrys is a podcast with a whole lot of truth given in a short amount of time. Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry will bring their humor, honesty, and insight into conversations on everything from relationships, theology, politics, race, and parenting.
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Nov 13, 2023
Once Upon A Time, We Were Poets
Before penning books, the Perrys penned poems. In this episode, Preston and Jackie give us a behind-the-scenes look inside a few of their favorite pieces. From Jackie’s testimony poem to Preston’s proposal poem, prepare to be immersed in a world of imagery, word play, alliteration, and so much more.
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_My Life as a Stud_
_Covenant_
_One Flesh_
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Nov 6, 2023
Fighting Distractions Upon Waking
The thought of writing a devotional never crossed Jackie's mind, but the Lord changed that. In this episode, the Perrys highlight a few things that compete for our attention and take away from adequate time in God’s Word. Jackie's new devotional, Upon Waking, was created to help us all cultivate a daily habit of seeking the Lord before anything else.
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Oct 9, 2023
Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage?
_Preston Sprinkle doesn’t shy away from the tension of wrestling with what the Bible says about marriage and sexuality. As his theological curiosity has led him to search the scriptures and dialogue with people in the LGBTQ community, Preston is also committed to embodying the grace and kindness of Jesus. He joins the Perrys on today’s episode to discuss some of his methods in approaching the topic of same-sex marriage. It all starts with asking the fundamental question, “What is marriage?”_
Follow Preston Sprinkle at PrestonSprinkle.com and check out his new book, _Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage?_
His other books include _Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say_ and _People to Be Loved: Why Homosexuality Is Not Just an Issue._
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Oct 2, 2023
How to Give the Gospel (Part 2)
_Why is it important we address sin when presenting the gospel? Because people need to know what stands in the way of their relationship with God… but how we communicate really matters. In this episode, Jackie and Preston take a look at 2 Timothy 2, which discusses character traits necessary when addressing sin. We can’t do it in our flesh. It requires dependence on the Holy Spirit. If you missed Part 1 of this gospel conversation, check it out here._
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Sep 25, 2023
How to Give the Gospel (Part 1)
In our communication of the gospel message, many of us overemphasize the fall, leading the conversation by starting with our sin. We inherited sin, but we were not created to be sinful. It is wiser for us to begin the gospel conversation by communicating the nature of God – “God is good.” Join Jackie and Preston for Part 1 of a conversation on engaging those around us with the gospel, and being anchored in love as we do so.
Pre-order Jackie’s book, Upon Waking: UponWakingBook.com
_What Is the Gospel? (Crucial Questions)__ _by R.C. Sproul
_Gospel Fluency: Speaking the Truths of Jesus into the Everyday Stuff of Life _by Jeff Vanderstelt
_Romans 1 - 7 for You: For Reading, for Feeding, for Leading (God's Word for You)__ _by Timothy Keller
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Sep 11, 2023
How To Fight For Your Marriage
_If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfunctional rhythms, finding opportunities to connect, not building cases against your spouse, healthy confrontation, and utilizing the greatest tool God has given us to find oneness in marriage: communication._
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Sep 4, 2023
Let’s Talk About Boldness
Boldness isn’t making public stances on things all the time, and it’s not just saying everything that pops into your head. In this episode, Jackie and Preston talk about what it truly means to cultivate holistic boldness as a Christ follower today. It’s about obedience to God, death to self, and empowerment by the Holy Spirit. And you don’t have to _feel_ bold to _be_ bold. Let’s talk about it.
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Aug 28, 2023
That Time We Broke Up...Twice
_From being long distance to living in the same city and then taking a pivotal trip together to the Caribbean, the Perrys’ dating relationship had a bit of a rocky start. Jackie ended things with Preston not once but twice, she says out of fear of Preston’s loving pursuit of her. It didn’t help that Preston didn’t know how to lead her well. There’s a lot they would have done differently, but in the end, their story is a reflection of Jesus’ Gospel pursuit of each of us._
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Aug 21, 2023
A Word for Writers and Other Sufferers of Writer's Block
_A conversation with Preston about his book-writing experience turns into a much bigger dialogue about the creative process. Jackie asks Preston about the obstacles he’s run into moving from poet to author, and Preston explains why he really doesn’t believe in writer’s block. The Perrys talk about battling perfectionism, receiving critiques, and inviting other people into the writing journey._
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Aug 14, 2023
A Random Conversation About Church
_Many of us got comfortable not going to church through the pandemic and we’re slowly finding our way back. The Bible tells us we need other Christians and we’re missing something if we don’t gather together to hear God’s Word. But our relationship to church can still be complicated. Jackie and Preston’s conversation today covers topics like worship style preferences, doctrinally sound preaching and discipleship, the pressure that local pastors face because of social media, and the topic of church hurt. _
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Jul 24, 2023
Infertility, Suffering, and Hagar
_A few years back, the Perrys started a series on the podcast called “Teach the Text,” and that’s the format of today’s new episode. Jackie teaches through Genesis 16 – the story of Hagar, Abram, and Sarai – reflecting on the unique questions that only a woman might think to ask of this text. Jackie and Preston discuss impatience, idolatry, and misplaced hope, at the end pointing us to the God who sees us in our suffering._
Check out other “Teach the Text” episodes:
* Jude
* John 9
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Jul 17, 2023
Conflict, Confrontation, and Arguing Well
_Jackie and Preston revisit a conversation had during the very first season of the podcast five years ago – how to argue well. Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years._
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Jul 10, 2023
Is Jesus God?
_Why does it matter that we fully understand the deity of Jesus? Because if we don’t, we run the risk of worshiping the wrong God. Preston and Jackie walk through the apologetics of this important element of the Christian faith, examining scripture people often point to when questioning if Jesus is God. _
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Jul 3, 2023
The Warfare of Ministry
_Any time we attempt to be faithful to the gospel and build anything of eternal value, there will be opposition. Listen in as Preston and Jackie share their experience with temptation, fear, and victory in gospel ministry._
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Jun 26, 2023
Men, Marriage, Sex, and Kevin Samuels
_We're kicking off Season Six with our brother, Ezekiel Azonwu. Listen in as Ezekiel and Preston give us a sneak peek of what to expect on their upcoming __We Need To Talk Tour__. Culture discourages men from being in community, and many men are confused about their call and spiritual giftedness. But guys are crying out for discipleship and voices in close proximity to them that will build them up. Let’s talk about it._
Connect with Ezekiel on Instagram at @wordsbyezekiel, and get your tickets for the tour at weneed2talktour.com.
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Feb 20, 2023
Mormonism, Homosexuality, Parenting Tips & More
_Our Patreon community had questions. We’ve got answers. In this season 5 finale, you get to listen in as we unpack them one by one. _
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Feb 13, 2023
Questions That Need Answers: Kanye West and Mental Health
_This one's about Kanye and how Christians can counter culture to help wake up Mr. West._
Previous Episode Reference: The Inhumanity of Celebrity (Season 5: Episode 3)
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Feb 6, 2023
Homeownership Tips, Generational Wealth and Resisting Greed
_Ever been intimidated by or skeptical about homeownership and/or real estate investing? Our friend Erika B. is the woman you need to know. We invited her to join us for a discussion about building generational wealth absent of greed, wisdom for first time homebuyers, and the two most common things people lack that block them from unpacking the fullness of homeownership and real estate investing._
Learn more about Erika by following her on Instagram at www.instagram.com/erikabrowninvestor/
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Jan 30, 2023
Jesus and Politics, Wokeness and Other Stuff
_Politics. It’s how people become dehumanized in the sight of the “free” and the hearts of the “brave.” In this episode, we chat with our friend, Justin Giboney of The And Campaign, about identity idolatry in politics, the Gospel-focused roles Christians should play in politics, and three components necessary to truly love our neighbors, regardless of their political affiliation. _
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Jan 23, 2023
So, About Friends
_Friends. How many of us have them? Better question: how many of us have the kind of friendships that can weather the storms of life and survive? Jackie shares the one thing that trumps everything in her deep, intimate friendships and Preston shares wisdom on cultivating healthy friendships after ending toxic ones._
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Jan 16, 2023
When Deconstruction Ends as a Miracle: A Testimony
_Our friendship with Caresse has been . . . complicated. She joins us for this episode as we chat about her deconstruction journey, her exploration of queer theology, and how she experienced the transformative power and love of Jesus while on the brink of suicide._
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Jan 9, 2023
Fighting Temptations with Spiritual Warfare
_Whether you believe in it or not, every believer engages in spiritual warfare. Temptation is the enemy’s way of joining forces with sin in an attempt to destroy us. In this episode, we discuss our personal experiences with temptation post-salvation, encounters with God that changed our perspectives on spiritual warfare, and the role of faith in the battle against temptation. _
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Dec 5, 2022
Prayer: The Discipline We All Suck At
_Ask any healthy couple and they’ll tell you that communication is key for a strong relationship. The same goes for your relationship with God, which is why prayer is essential. In this episode, we’re chatting about the enemy of prayer, why prayer feels inconvenient, and how we can suck less at it._
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Nov 21, 2022
Fear of Death, Social Anxiety, and Other Angsty Things
_At the root of anxiety is one tiny word that has the power to suck joy and contentment out of saints and aints alike—fear. Specifically, fear of what we cannot control. We examine why Adam and Eve lacked anxiety in the Garden and what we can gain from them to lead less anxious lives. _
_Book Reference: __The Cry of the Soul by Dan Allender and Tremper Longman_
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Nov 14, 2022
Storytime with Jackie
_8 balls, tube socks, and rocks—OH MY! Jackie recounts stressful (and somewhat traumatic) moments from her life before Christ that bring the Perrys to the point of uncontrollable (happy) tears._
_Book Reference: __Gay Girl, Good God__ by Jackie Hill Perry_
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Nov 7, 2022
The Inhumanity of Celebrity
_The phenomenon of celebrity is quite…strange. Jackie talks about the pressure of maintaining a facade when notoriety places her in uncomfortable situations, and Preston advocates for a “hierarchy of opinions” to keep us all from becoming puppets. We also explore how celebrity culture affects the local church and its leaders._
_Previous Episode Reference: Fame: Christian Celebrity Culture (Season 3: Episode 5)_
_Book Reference: __Illusions of Immortality: A Psychology of Fame and Celebrity__ by David Giles _
_Book Reference: __The Great Divorce__ by C.S. Lewis_
_Book Reference: __When Narcissism Comes to Church__ by Chuck DeGroat_
_Podcast Reference: __The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill__ by Christianity Today_
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Oct 31, 2022
Let's Talk Submission: A Conversation (Part 2)
_Does running his bath water, baking him cookies, and rubbing his back equate to submission? The short answer? Nah. In this episode, we’re talking about how the purity of submission is displayed during the inconveniences of marriage and how true submission is a test of a wife’s trust—in God and in her husband. _
_Previous Episode Reference: When Your Man is Intimidated by Your Gifts (Season 2: Episode 1)_
_Book Reference: __Holier Than Thou__ by Jackie Hill Perry_
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Oct 24, 2022
Let's Talk Headship: A Conversation (Part 1)
_Let’s be clear— headship and dominance are not the same thing. Christ-like headship requires two things that may be difficult for some husbands: sacrifice and vulnerability. We chat about what real headship is, what it isn’t, and why it can be scary._
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Sep 5, 2022
Sage, Witchcraft, and Discipleship (Patreon Q&A)
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Aug 22, 2022
Picking Preston's Brain About Guns
Guns aren't foreign to the American way of life and neither is the misuse, murder, and destructive violence that's caused by them. Jackie isn't the biggest fan of guns for that reason. Preston owns them and believes them to be a useful tool in protecting your family. Listen in as Jackie picks Preston's brain about guns and how to make sense of a complex subject.
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Aug 15, 2022
What We Wish We Knew About Sex
_We clearly knew something about sex before getting married but sadly, most of our perspectives were toxic. Worldliness and unhealthy Christian frameworks about sexuality shaped our thinking as it probably has for many of us. So let's talk about it. _
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Aug 8, 2022
Reading While Black with Dr. Esau McCaulley
_If you heard someone use the word “Black biblical interpretation,” would you have any idea what they meant by it? We didn’t until we had a chat with Esau about it and we soon realized it’s a practice the entire church would greatly benefit from. _
_To purchase a copy of Reading While Black:_ https://amzn.to/3NCChT3
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Aug 1, 2022
Pronoun Hospitality, Understanding the Trans Community, and Other Hard Stuff
_Should I call my friend by their preferred pronoun? How should I walk with people within the trans community? Is polyamory wrong? These are common questions that we sat down with Preston Sprinkle to chat about. Preston is the author of “Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say” and President of “The Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender.” _
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Jul 25, 2022
When Friends Leave the Faith
_Friends are like family. Especially friends that have the same faith as you. So it can be devastating when a friend leaves the faith they once represented. On today’s episode, we talk about how to deal with it, including how to walk with friends that are “deconstructing.” _
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Jul 11, 2022
Guarding Your Heart in Marriage
_The Bible tells us to guard our hearts right? Well, how often have you thought about how to apply the principle to your marriage relationship? There are temptations everywhere. From ex’s, to co-workers, to pornography, even bitterness and entitlement can harden your heart towards your spouse. Let’s chat about how to keep our hearts soft towards God and each other. _
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Jul 4, 2022
The Beautifully Confusing Trinity
_One God, in three distinct persons?? Confusing, we know. _
_Book Recommendation: __Delighting in The Trinity_
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Jun 27, 2022
Grieving with God with Davey Blackburn
_Grief is hard to describe but when you’re in it, you know it. It’s something everybody will have to endure at some point in time so how can we endure it “well,” if that’s even a thing? We’re joined by Davey Blackburn, a man who knows what grief is and how God is faithful to show up in it. _
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Jun 20, 2022
Dealing with Anger
_Everybody gets mad. Some of us are angry at petty stuff. Some of us are angry at the right stuff. But how do we discern between the two or even recognize when we are dealing with anger at all? _
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Jun 13, 2022
Sooo, About Dating
_Dating: the topic everybody loves to discuss. It feels like we covered everything in this conversation. Dating according to our “types.” Dating non-Christians and the like. Why men aren’t “choosing,” and more… _
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Jun 6, 2022
Storytime with Preston Perry Part 2
_Our most downloaded episode in all three seasons is “Storytime with Preston Perry” and it’s clearly because Preston has the wildest stories. Last season, he told us about a time he encountered a demon-possessed man. We’re starting off Season 4 with even more craziness._
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Jun 3, 2022
Season 4 Trailer
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Aug 23, 2021
Storytime with Preston Perry
_If you've been around Preston for more than a day, you'll soon find out that he tells the best stories. Listen as Preston shares about the time he almost got killed, saw a demon-possessed man, and more..._
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Aug 16, 2021
Holier Than Thou
_Holiness is a big topic in the bible. It's intimidating for some because of its associations with hell and damnation but what if we saw holiness from a new perspective? One that recognizes God's holiness as the evidence of His eternal beauty and how it is His holiness that makes Him absolutely trustworthy. Listen in as Preston picks Jackie's brain about holiness in anticipation of her new book, Holier Than Thou._
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Aug 13, 2021
Questions That Need Answers: When Did Dinosaurs Exist?
_Questions that need answer is a short segment where Preston and Jackie discuss a really random yet interesting topic._
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Aug 9, 2021
Talking About Social Justice is Awkward
_Let's be honest here: social justice is an awkward topic nowadays. Depending on who you're talking with, it can be an antagonistic conversation or a helpful one. In this episode of With The Perrys, Jackie and Preston discuss why social justice chatter can be awkward and reasons why it shouldn't be._
Book Recommendation: _Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance and Repair_
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Aug 6, 2021
Questions That Need Answers: Are Aliens Real?
_Questions that need answer is a short segment where Preston and Jackie discuss a really random yet interesting topic._
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Aug 2, 2021
Fame: Christian Celebrity Culture
_Fame isn't inherently bad but even then, it still comes with its share of snares and temptations. Preston and Jackie discuss their own experiences with fame and how Christians, no matter the size of their platform, can make sure that God's praise matters most._
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Jun 21, 2021
Urban Apologetics
_As it is in any culture, there are unique belief systems that spring up in response to the distinct experiences of people within a community. Oppression and/or racism in America and in the church has led to the formation of cults and black religious groups such as Hebrew Israelites, Moorish Temple of Science, and the Nation of Islam. What is central to each of these groups is a disdain for the Christian faith and its Christocentric teachings. Eric Mason, the editor of Urban Apologetics: Restoring Black Dignity with the Gospel joins Jackie and Preston to offer wisdom on how the church can equip itself to answer the questions that these growing religious groups are asking._
_Urban Apologetics_
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Jun 14, 2021
Cancel Culture
_Cancel culture is kind of a "thing" nowadays but should it be? Especially among Christians, the public shaming of certain individuals and groups may or may not be necessary but how do we determine when "canceling" someone is the righteous thing to do? Jackie and Preston will discuss the topic among themselves to see if they can come to some kind of conclusion on the matter._
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May 24, 2021
What is The Black Church?
'The Black Church: This Is Our Story. This Is Our Song'. a documentary released by PBS, recently explored the story of the black church. The doc offered insight, facilitated reflection, and provided context for the space that many black Christians call or called home. In this episode of Thirty Minutes with The Perrys, Jackie and Preston are joined by Charlie Dates. The Pastor of the Historic Progressive Baptist Church in the Southside of Chicago to talk more about all things "Black Church"
Learn about Charlie Dates
"The Black Church" (on PBS)
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May 17, 2021
Jesus and Therapy
_The concept of Christians getting therapy shouldn't be a big deal but for some, it is. Sometimes it is said that "If Jesus is enough, then we don't need therapy." But what if therapy is a gift from Jesus? What if it's a means to help all people heal mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Listen as Jackie and Preston discuss their own experiences with therapy and why they believe every Christian should get some._
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Aug 19, 2020
The Idolatry of Marriage
Marriage is to be honored as the Bible directs us but is it being held in _highest_ honor? Or in other words, have we, the church, made an idol out of the institution of marriage? Yes? No? Maybe so? Listen in as Preston and Jackie share their thoughts on the topic.
Book recommendations:
_7 Myths About Singleness_
_This Momentary Marriage_
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Aug 12, 2020
Sexuality & Self Denial: Our thoughts on Jackie's chat w/KevOnStage
Jackie recently conversed with KevOnStage about sexuality and, not surprisingly, it was met with a lot of controversy. One aspect of it that seems to be the most alarming was Jackie's statements on self-denial. On this episode of With The Perrys, Preston and Jackie dig more into the concept of sexuality and self-denial and the reasons why it's typically not welcomed with opened arms.
Book recommendations:
1: _The Secret Thoughts of An Unlikely Convert_
2: _The Coddling of the American Mind_
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May 6, 2020
Embracing Conflict
Every relationship we will ever have will at some point have some conflict. Whether it's with our partners, our friends, our co-workers, and our kids, the hard situations that will arise are inevitable but even then, they don't have to be avoided. And they shouldn't. In this podcast, Preston and Jackie talk through their different styles of embracing conflict and how they've learned and are learning to see that as Christians, conflict really can be a good thing.
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Book Recommendation: _Relationships: A Mess Worth Making_
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Apr 22, 2020
How We Met
_Who doesn't enjoy a good love story every now and then? Jackie doesn't. But both her and Preston still figured it would be beneficial to share their own. On this episode, listen in as they discuss their first impression of each other, how they came to realize that they were each other's "one," and other details that both singles and spouses would be able to glean from._
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Watch Preston's Proposal
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Apr 8, 2020
Corona Crazy
_Since the recent outbreak of Covid 19 in the States and in the World, all of our lives have been turned upside down. Listen in as Jackie and Preston discuss their thoughts on being quarantined, trusting God to provide financially, parenting during a pandemic, and the sovereignty of God._
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Mar 4, 2020
Teach The Text : John 9
_Back again is another episode of "Teach The Text" where either Jackie or Preston take a book or passage from the Bible and teach it. On this episode, Preston walks through a pretty popular narrative in the scriptures when Jesus healed a man that was born blind. Not surprisingly, this story has many connections to our modern context such as dealing with religious folk, suffering, and more._
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Feb 19, 2020
Gender Identity, Biblical Womanhood, & Girly Girls
_Jackie never considered herself a "girly girl," or whatever that means. She, like many women, found themselves being labeled a "tom boy" or "masculine" because she didn't wear purses and the like. These words were spoken by people who never had a biblical framework for how to understand gender in the first place. Situations such as these have clearly led to much confusion in the church and in the culture about what it means to be male and female in this world. Listen in as Preston and Jackie chat about it._
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Feb 12, 2020
When Your Man is Intimidated by Your Gifts
_Giftedness and the success that can accompany it isn't gendered. Both men and women have the capacity to do great things with the gifts God has given them. But for some women, this comes with a hefty price. Their gifts, talents, and abilities can tend to intimidate the men in their lives. On this episode, Preston and Jackie have a conversation about why that's a thing and what couples can do individually to love and support each other above it all._
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Oct 30, 2019
Teach The Text : Jude
We're introducing a new series to 30 Minutes with The Perry's titled "Teach The Text". During Teach The Text, either Jackie or Preston will walk through a bible passage that they're currently studying. On this first episode of "Teach The Text", Jackie will walk through the book of Jude.
To get a copy of Jackie's bible study on Jude, go www.lifeway.com/jude
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