What happens when a designer pushes the boundaries of creative expectations and ventures into artistic territory? In this episode of The Mic, Debbie Millman is joined by Chen Chen and Kai Williams, and Giovanni Valdeavillano of Studio POA to explore how designers who work with traditional materials like clay, metal, and wood can turn an utilitarian object into something extraordinary. Tune in to hear about how Chen and Kai collaborate in the studio with a sense of humor, how Gio’s parents inspired him to explore craft and furniture making, and find out how Studio POA got its name.