The Mockingcast
The Mockingcast
Oct 23, 2020
Episode 198: I Feel Guilty About Liking This
1 hr 5 min

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk private lives, political junkies, Craigslist confessionals, and the surprising hope of 2020. Also, RJ feels his (lonely) feelings while Sarah buys a birthday cake.

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  • Click here to read CJ's write-up of Helena Dea Bala's Craigslist Confessional.
  • Click here to read Chad Bird's rationale for why 2020 Is A Great Year For the Church.
Hank Unplugged: Essential Christian Conversations
Hank Unplugged: Essential Christian Conversations
Hank Hanegraaff
You Are What You Love: The Spiritual Power of Habit with James K.A. Smith
You are what you love. But you might not love what you think. Christians desire to shape culture, yet are often unaware of how culture shapes us—unaware of the ways our hearts are being taught to love rival gods instead of the One for whom we were made. James K.A. Smith joins Hank Hanegraaff to discuss the major themes of his book, You Are What You Love, detailing the formative power of culture and the transformative possibilities of traditional Christian practices. Who and what we worship fundamentally shapes our hearts and James K.A. Smith wants Christians to recognize the critical role of the church in lives of Christians—that church should always be the hub and heart of Christian formation and discipleship. Topics discussed include: How historic examples of the Christian faith were lost as Christianity remade itself in the image of the Enlightenment (2:00); the spiritual power of habit (6:10); regaining a perspective of the heart according to biblical language (12:05); the significance of liturgy in the Christian life and the way that disordered or rival liturgies negatively impact our lives (14:55); why James K.A. Smith believes worship is at the heart of discipleship (18:25); the importance of the church in the Christian life and as a means of sanctification to experience union with Christ (20:40); why knowing Church history is so important to our growth as Christians (23:40); James K.A. Smith draws a powerful connection between addiction recovery programs like AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) and effective church discipleship in order to point out the spiritual power of habit as well as the spiritual power of bad habit (27:00); what does it mean to have a proper understanding of worship? (30:10); the disenchantment of the Church and the power of spiritual formation through repetition (34:45); the transcendent strangeness of historic Christian worship as a key element to discipleship and evangelism (41:15); Christians cannot hope to recreate the world if we are constantly trying to recreate the church (50:45); the transformative power of practice and habituation in sanctification (55:00); one of the most powerful passages in all of theology—what does a faithful Christian life look like? (58:15). Listen to Hank’s podcast and follow Hank off the grid where he is joined by some of the brightest minds discussing topics you care about. Get equipped to be a cultural change agent. Archived episodes are on our Website and available at the additional channels listed below. You can help spread the word about Hank Unplugged by giving us a rating and review from the other channels we are listed on.
1 hr 3 min
For the Life of the World / Yale Center for Faith & Culture
For the Life of the World / Yale Center for Faith & Culture
Matthew Croasmun, Drew Collins, Miroslav Volf, Ryan McAnnally-Linz, Evan Rosa
Civic Friendship, Courageous Humility, and Seeking Truth Together / Robert P. George
Legal scholar Robert P. George comments on the meaning of friendship across disagreement, the need for public virtues of courage and humility, and how to address political polarization and hateful divisions through seeking the truth, thinking critically and openly, and respecting the dignity and freedom of the other. Interview by Evan Rosa. Episode Introduction (Evan Rosa) How do we heal from 2020? Yes, how do we heal from this pandemic, but how do we heal from the political rifts deeper than we can remember? How do we heal from physical distance that has isolated and alienated us from embodied presence and genuine connection with others? How do millions of public school children heal from remote learning and the psychological impact of disconnection? How do we heal in a moment like this? We’ve been trying to tackle this question in a variety of ways on the podcast, and we'll continue in upcoming episodes. This week, we’re sharing a conversation I had with Robert P. George, the McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University. We spoke just a few weeks before the election, really, as the frenzy and vitriol and worry started to peak. We spoke about American division and the punishing and apparently unrelenting hatred that can be on display in the disgust one side mutually feels for the other, even in the birthplace of modern democracy, where the idea of personal dignity grounds our freedom to live together. I asked him about what it means to achieve friendship across deep disagreement—something he’s become widely known for in his close friendship and collaboration with Cornel West. We spoke about the virtues of citizenship, including humility and courage; specifically the courage to stand for what you think is right even at the horror of being thought heretic in your tribe. This kind of homelessness from the tribe, especially for Christians who find themselves in tension with their tradition. He reflects on seeking the truth in a world where anyone can portray themselves as an expert and facts are no longer commonly regarded as such. I asked him to offer some practical steps toward mutual understanding and civil discourse, which prizes collaborating around a pursuit of the truth far over mere victory for power’s sake. The kind of divisions we feel now—whether social distance or political distance—won’t be mended and healed with one strategy. So we’ll be bringing a variety of perspectives to bear on the question of healing. But the way Robert George frames civic friendship that shares a value for the truth and a commitment to respect for the other… maybe there’s some potential there. Thanks for listening today. About Robert P. George Robert P. George is McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions. He has served as chairman of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), and before that on the President’s Council on Bioethics and as a presidential appointee to the United States Commission on Civil Rights. He has also served as the U.S. member of UNESCO’s World Commission on the Ethics of Scientific Knowledge and Technology (COMEST). He is a former Judicial Fellow at the Supreme Court of the United States, where he received the Justice Tom C. Clark Award. A graduate of Swarthmore College, he holds J.D. and M.T.S. degrees from Harvard University and the degrees of D.Phil., B.C.L., D.C.L., and D.Litt. from Oxford University. He has been a visiting professor at Harvard Law School and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Professor George is a recipient of many honors and awards, including the U.S. Presidential Citizens Medal, the Honorific Medal for the Defense of Human Rights of the Republic of Poland, the Canterbury Medal of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, the Sidney Hook Memorial Award of the National Association of Scholars, the Philip Merrill Award of the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, the Bradley Prize for Intellectual and Civic Achievement, the Irving Kristol Award of the American Enterprise Institute, the James Q. Wilson Award of the Association for the Study of Free Institutions, Princeton University’s President’s Award for Distinguished Teaching, and the Stanley N. Kelley, Jr. Teaching Award of the Department of Politics at Princeton. He has given honorific lectures at Harvard, Yale, the University of St. Andrews, Oxford University, and Cornell University. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and holds twenty-one honorary degrees, including honorary doctorates of law, ethics, science, letters, divinity, humanities, law and moral values, civil law, humane letters, and juridical science.
52 min
Renovaré Podcast with Nathan Foster
Renovaré Podcast with Nathan Foster
Roger Fredrikson (w/ Dallas Willard + Richard Foster) — Beyond Sin Management
Richard Foster: [00:02:52] Renovare and what we do is not about personalities. And that's one of the reasons that we always work as a team, because then the various gifts of the people of God can come forward and we can live and move in that and be strengthened by it. Of course, the life in the kingdom must always be enfleshed. And that does take people. And we're so thankful for the various ones that teach me and teach you and help us all. Roger Fredrickson is one of those kinds of persons. When I first was considering a move to Wichita, Kansas to teach at a university there. I mean, I thought Wichita, Kansas was the end of the earth. And, it's not, I want you to understand that. So we're lovely place. It is not the end of the earth, though you can see it from there. And, very wisely the college president when Carolyn and I went there to just be together and think about this idea. He invited Roger and Ruth Fredrickson to meet with us and have dinner. I'll tell you that president knew exactly what he was doing. I immediately fell in love with those two people. They just had the ability to kind of put their arms around the city in the world and people and everything. It was a great blessing. Roger had come to that city of Wichita to pastor a church that had really been broken. There'd been a church split. You understand about those things? I bet. And a great human, which facility downtown, probably seat a few thousand and there was just a couple hundred folk left. After many people had left and built a very big facility. And I watched Roger take that church. He wrote a book about it, called _The Church That Refused to Die_. And I watched that. And then whenever I could, I would just try to slip in. I remember once coming, Roger doesn't even know this. I came to their new year's Eve service. Just sat there, just cause I wanted to soak in that life. Just the life of God. And Roger's the only person who has ever been able to get me onto a committee. You do know that Bible verse...God so loved the world that he did not form a committee. But Roger got me on a steering committee to bring Leighton Ford for a campaign in the city. I just watched how he threw his arms around the city. We'd meet in Hispanic churches. We meet in all kinds of places and our steering committee and how the love begin to flow. And then the last service. And then after that service, we went over to the church that had split away from Roger's church and the hostility was such they wouldn't allow each other to go to the other church building, even just walk in the building. And, uh,= I just stood there amazed as we shared thanked each other. And then Roger stood up and said, you know, you all know what's going on between our two churches. And then he turned to wonderful pastor that other church. And he said, I believe it's time to bury the hatchet. And he walked over and hugged that man. And I thought the kingdom of God has come near. See, and that's Roger Fredrikson, he's speaking to us this morning and I know he will point us to life in the kingdom of God and what that means. Roger come bless you. Roger Fredrikson: [00:06:36] I had a friend who sometime ago gave me a statement that flies in the face of what Richard said. It deals with a dilemma that we often get in once in a while get into the church. I was walking in San Francisco along the golden gate bridge. When a man I saw a man about to jump off. I tried to dissuade him from committing suicide and told him simply that God loved him. A tear came to his eye. I then asked him, are you a Christian or a Jew or a Hindu or what? He said, I'm a Christian. I said, me too, small world... protestant or Catholic. He said, Protestant. I said, me too, what denomination? He said Northern Baptist. I said, well, me too. That's amazing. Northern conservative Baptist, or Northern liberal Baptist? He said Northern conservative Baptist. I said, I don't believe it. Northern conservative fundamentalist Baptist or Northern conservative reform Baptist? He said Northern conservative fundamentalist Baptist. I said remarkable, Northern conservative fundamentalist Baptist, great lakes region or Northern conservative fundamentalist Baptist Eastern region. He said Northern conservative fundamentalist Baptist, great lakes region. I said a miracle Northern conservative fundamentalist Baptist, great lakes region of 1879 or Northern conservative fundamentalist Baptist. Great lakes region of 1912. He said Northern conservative fundamentalist Baptist. Great lakes region of 1912. I said, die heretic and I pushed him off Now in the face of this. Let me just say before the session began, we either laugh or cry about that. Don't we. I met the pastor of the Metropolitan Baptist church again, who serves the church now in Texas, Phil Lineberger. Where are you? Come down here, please. Just for a minute. Will you, as Richard has indicated, one of the great spiritual experiences of my life was when Metropolitan Baptist. And I want to say this in deep love, a great Southern Baptist church. And our tattered First Baptist church, American Baptist gathered for worship, which Richard, each other. (Banter) I want to say this man had the courage to go to a board of deacon. Some of whom said we don't want to go into a church building that was stolen from us. And our people said we don't want to drag out old dead bones again. And somehow we said to them, we pray each Sunday, forgive us our debts. As we forgive our debtors, we cannot do that and live this uptight way we're living. And out of a came a reconciliation service. Phil, I've carried you in my heart ever since. In fact, in my study, I've got the picture of the two. It was greeting one another, and I want to bless you and thank God for you. I really think in a way, that's my speech. I'm going to be very, very personal with you at the outset. Not because I want your pity just to state a fact. Two-and-a-half years ago.... I was diagnosed with leukemia and I want to say that by love and prayers, a marvelous oncologist and sophisticated medication I'm doing very well. Ruth. And I greet each day with joy and wonder and gratitude. Now resources come in at a time like this, because I went through several days of the dark night of the soul, Saint John of the cross said. But in the midst of it, there were assurances and prayers and love. And finally a profound new sense of the presence of God. The Renovare office shipped me--it was a great package--the third chapter of the divine conspiracy, which deals with what Jesus knew, our God-bathed world. I sat down one night and started to read that I was so entranced and overcome. I at times wanted to shout. I wanted to weep because there came to me after all these years of preaching about the kingdom-- intellectually understanding the kingdom and I having intimations of the kingdom--there came to me a great new awareness of the wonder and the intimacy of the presence of God's kingdom in which I have rejoiced. And in many ways, grown in these last years. Strange and amazing things happen. I was driving back from the hospital in a park that we call McKennan park. A boy was coming home from school. It's a simple thing. He had a knapsack over his back. He had a lunch bucket in his hand and he was just dancing. And I just stopped. And almost with tears of joy, watch that boy dance with freedom. And I thought about Jesus' incredible statement, unless you become as a little child, you'll in no wise enter the kingdom of heaven. And I said, Lord, I thank you that I see the kingdom all about me. And since then, in all kinds of interesting, amazing unexpected places I have seen and experienced that kingdom for which I thank God. The sad thing and the things I want to say briefly here, girl, out of a love and a passion for the mandate, say it, the mainline church and the institutional church to which, and I, and I recognize we come from many different backgrounds here, but that…
47 min
Paul VanderKlay's Podcast
Paul VanderKlay's Podcast
Paul Vander Klay
Jordan Peterson Introduces "Beyond Order" His 12 More Rules for Life
The sequel to Jordan Peterson's best seller 12 Rules for Life was originally slated to be released January 2020, 2 years after "12 Rules" was released. after his and his wife's medical difficulties he is able to announce this book. In January 2019 a list of "12 More Rules for Life" was released. The new 12 points he announced in this video was different from those rules. We'll have to see how they developed. Such a development is pretty normal in the process of putting out a book especially given everything he's been through. I was very encouraged by this announcement. The content seems fresh and a further development of what he's done before. I eagerly await an opportunity to read this book and I am especially encouraged by his ability to finish it and present it in this way. Click here to meetup with other channel viewers for conversation Paul Vander Klay clips channel If you want to schedule a one-on-one conversation check here. There is a video version of this podcast on YouTube at To listen to this on ITunes If you need the RSS feed for your podcast player All Amazon links here are part of the Amazon Affiliate Program. Amazon pays me a small commission at no additional cost to you if you buy through one of the product links here. This is is one (free to you) way to support my videos. To support this channel/podcast on Paypal: To support this channel/podcast with Bitcoin (BTC): 37TSN79RXewX8Js7CDMDRzvgMrFftutbPo To support this channel/podcast with Bitcoin Cash (BCH) qr3amdmj3n2u83eqefsdft9vatnj9na0dqlzhnx80h To support this channel/podcast with Ethereum (ETH): 0xd3F649C3403a4789466c246F32430036DADf6c62 Blockchain backup on Lbry Paul's Church Content at Living Stones Channel To support Paul's work by supporting his church give here.
32 min
Quick to Listen
Quick to Listen
Christianity Today
Spiritual Formation as COVID-19 Gets More Depressing
We’re right on the cusp of the holiday season. Except this year it doesn’t feel much like it. Each day this month, thousands of American—record numbers—have tested positive for COVID-19. Even as several vaccines are now on the horizon, many public health authorities have asked Americans to not reunite with extended family over Thanksgiving, requests that will no doubt continue during the Christmas season.  Millions of people have already spent hours more this year inside, apart from their loved ones, houses of worship, and beloved activities. While the summer offered many a respite from their homes, the arrival of cold weather will likely keep people there. This bleakness, of course, comes on the heels of a year of postponed weddings, never organized baby showers, and drive-by birthday parties. And, of course, one of the year’s most agonizing elements has been the disparity with which community and individuals have adopted and practiced social distancing and mask-wearing. These relationship tensions have had both personal and societal polarizing effect.  This week on Quick to Listen, we discussed the reality between the joyous expectations of the holidays—and the darkness we’re all feeling this year with Chris Hall, the president of Renovare, the spiritual formation organization started by Richard Foster. Hall is also associate editor of the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture and has written a great four volume series of books on what we can learn from the early church, and was one of CT’s theology editors and advisers. He joined global media manager Morgan Lee and editorial director Ted Olsen to talk about growing in your relationship with God and practicing spiritual disciplines during a pandemic.   What is Quick to Listen? Read more Rate Quick to Listen on Apple Podcasts Follow the podcast on Twitter Follow our hosts on Twitter: Morgan Lee and Ted Olsen Learn more about Renovaré Music by Sweeps Quick to Listen is produced by Morgan Lee and Matt Linder The transcript is edited by Bunmi Ishola Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
39 min
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