If you liked this episode, we bet that you’ll love our blog content. blog.drift.com/#subscribe Subscribe to never miss a post & join the 20,000+ other pros committed to getting better every day. ----- Shannon is the Director of User Experience at Cooper. Her 20 years of product development experience cut across disciplines (visual design, UX, content, marketing) and environment (agency, startup, studio owner). But the reason she's on Seeking Wisdom is that she worked with DC back in the day and DC calls her "one of the best designers I’ve ever worked with." We talked about the power of storytelling, why you need to know the difference between pain & discomfort in your career -- and of course, lots of war stories about what it was like to work with DC back in the early days of the Internet :) -- Say hi to @dcancel and @davegerhardt. AND DONT FORGET -- HYPERGROWTH 2018 is coming. You can get your tickets at hypergrowth.drift.com with the promo code SEEKINGWISDOM for just $199. That is the lowest price on the Internet just for SW fans.