How It Looks From Here
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The truth is, life looks different to you than it does to me. The way race and gender, education and work, and everyday circumstances come together in any person...well, it’s different.
Hosted by Mary Clare, How It Looks From Here brings you diverse perspectives through engaging interviews. It's easy to think that everyone is feeling the same way you are - but they’re not. For every person, how it looks from where they are matters. And, with every interview, we’re enriched. It's helping.
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HILFH #31 Alison Cunningham
Alison Cunningham is an activist and public leader in New Haven, CT. Currently, she serves as the Director of Professional Formation for Yale University’s Divinity School and this month she speaks with Mary about how circumstances of climate change may be met with activism and spirit.
Spirit has always been at the center of Alison's career. She points to the practical expression of spirit when prior to her Divinity School position, Alison spent most of two decades as Chief Executive Officer for Columbus House, also in New Haven and a nonprofit organization devoted to providing homes and shelter for people who need them.
In their conversation on this episode of HILFH, Alison and Mary dig deep into questions of housing, public policy, climate challenges and the role of spirituality in response.
You can learn more about Alison Cunningham by taking a look at the articles below. And following on Alison’s suggestions, keep an eye out for how you can become more involved in community initiatives and public policy that respond to the needs of people and land near you. If you’re already involved, invite more people into being part of the solutions.
Learn about Alison at Yale:
https://divinity.yale.edu/news/protecting-homeless-people-during-pandemic-alison-cunningham-84-mdiv
Learn about Alison at Columbus House:
https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Homeless-advocate-Alison-Cunningham-leaving-13969586.php
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Apr 30, 2023
HILFH #30 Jack Pearson
This month our guest is Jack Pearson, another young leader who, as a recent college graduate, is currently on a Fulbright study grant in Jordan. Mary and Jack spoke over Zoom, Jack in his apartment in Amaan and Mary in her closet which is still doubling as a recording studio.
Jack’s undergraduate degree included studies in the history of science, the microbiology of ice and English. In his study and research, Jack brings to bear his perspective and insight as a scholar born in the year 2000. For his senior thesis he wrote a science fiction and fantasy novel exploring the ways human imperialism, industrialization and classism can unfold into the future, particularly in their impact on the planet and its ecosystems. These days, he’s learning Arabic and studying water conservation communication in Jordan, where water is precious, especially in these times of climate change.
You can learn more about Jack here:
https://www.montana.edu/news/22133/montana-state-grad-jack-pearson-wins-fulbright
And here's an article Jack wrote with a few colleagues on the Jordan River:
https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/holy-river-risk
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Mar 30, 2023
HILFH #29 Ali Ramirez
Ali keeps a relatively low profile these days. She runs ultra marathons, applies her knowledge of physical therapy as a pilates instructor extraordinaire, and ventrues out far and wide in the wild nature of the Yellowstone ecosystem with her rescue dog, Lola. You can find out a bit more about her on her LinkedIn site. https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-ali-ramirez-pt-dpt-72a0999/
The resources Ali recommends for listeners who want to know more about the Foreign Service and ways to keep up with global perspectives include The Economist and Foreign Affairs.
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Feb 27, 2023
HILFH #28 Sean Hill
This month, Mary talks with poet Sean Hill. Sean is currently on faculty with University of Montana in Missoula. His path to that post began in Milledgeville, GA where he spent his childhood fascinated with the workings of nature. That homeland remains a big part of the stories Sean tells of his family and community from enslavement to today. Sean has lived in Minnesota, Texas, and Alaska, and has traveled the world. Echoes of those journeys mix in with Sean's particular brand of truth telling to render poems of justice, awe and honor.
You can read Sean’s poetry by visiting his website https://www.seanhillpoetry.com/. Pick up one of his books, BLOOD TIES & BROWN LIQUOR published by University of Georgia Press, or DANGEROUS GOODS published by Milkweed Editions.
Also check out these brand new anthologies including Sean's work.
A Darker Wilderness: Black Nature Writing from Soil to Stars edited by Erin Sharkey
Solastalgia: Anthology of Emotion in a Disappearing World edited by Paul Bogard
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Jan 29, 2023
HILFH #27 Scott Bosse
This month Mary speaks with Scott Bosse, Regional Director of the Northern Rockies Office of American Rivers, a non profit devoted to clean water and healthy rivers. Since they were recording for the month of February, Scott and Mary took the opportunity to talk about the quality of Love that is at the core of relationship with the natural world.
First and foremost, Scott is a champion of wild nature. He's a hunter, angler and gatherer of other wild foods. He is a conservation scientist who currently advocates for rivers and their ecosystems in ways that influence policy and legislation at the federal and state levels.
Mary and Scott talk of the love in each of these aspects of his connection with nature. Love also shows up in the way Scott works with local citizens, sports people, businesses and conservation organizations to build support for river protection efforts in eastern Idaho, Wyoming and Montana. In every interaction, Scott brings his devotion to and passion for the wellbeing of all beings, including the people with whom he works.
Listen for how Scott anchors his way of knowing in a clear, present and reciprocal love of the natural world. There are clues here for all of us.
You can find out more about Scott and American Rivers at www.americanrivers.org .
Here are a few of Scott's essays:
American Rivers Update from the Field https://www.americanrivers.org/2021/12/update-from-the-field-montana-dam-malfunction-impacts-madison-river/
Smith River Copper Mine https://www.americanrivers.org/2019/07/whats-next-for-the-proposed-smith-river-copper-mine/
And check out Gary Snyder's beautiful writing - especially Turtle Island (1974), the inspiring collection of poems and essays Scott mentioned at the close of the podcast.
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Dec 30, 2022
HILFH #26 Jesine Munson
This month, Mary speaks with Jesine Munson, an artist, historian and philosopher. Jesine landed on the planet in 1988, a Montanan born and raised. She's currently completing a PhD dissertation specifically considering the work of John Dewey and, more generally, the way we humans come to make sense of our lives and the world.
In this episode, Mary and Jesine talk about how Jesine's work as a scholar, artist, young business woman and co-founder of the nonprofit, The Compassion Project is inextricably woven in with the natural world and her devotion to climate repair.
The works of John Dewey that have been most influential for Jesine: The Public And It's Problems (1927) and Art as Experience (1934)
Modern Dewey Scholarship:
John Dewey's Theory of Art, Experience, and Nature: The Horizons of Feeling - Book by John Dewey and Thomas M. Alexander
The Human Eros: Eco-ontology and The Aesthetics of Existence - Book by Thomas Alexander
Pragmatism as Post-Postmodernism by Larry Hickman
Jesine also mentioned Lauren Berlant's - Cruel Optimism
Compassion Project https://www.compassionpject.org/
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Nov 30, 2022
HILFH #25 Thomas Doherty
This month, Mary speaks with Thomas Doherty, PhD Clinical Psychologist and internationally recognized expert on the psychology of living in and with climate change.
Thomas is best known for bringing forward awareness of ecopsychology - the understanding that psychological wellbeing is significantly affected by our relationship with the environments in which we live and make our lives. Thomasoffers therapeutic sessions to individuals, couples, families and groups. He consults with corporate entities interested in supporting the ecologial health of employees and provides mentorship for therapists interested in building ecopsychology into their practices.
Mary and Thomas discuss the ways connection with place helps us find purpose and even happiness in our work to address climate change.
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Learn more about Thomas Doherty and his work on his website, Sustainable Self.
And check out his international podcast with colleague Panu Pihkala, Climate Change and Happiness.
And for an alternative to the usual 24/7 headlines, check out Solution-Focused Journalism. Thomas was right. it takes some digging. Go to the Solutions Story Tracker and then under the 'advanced search' tab, activate 'full text.' If you enter 'climate change' you get some options. Play around. See what you find.
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Oct 28, 2022
HILFH #24 Lill Erickson
Mary speaks with Lill Erickson, Executive Director of Western Sustainability Exchange.
Western Sustainability Exchange is a nonprofit organization in Livingston, Montana dedicated to, "preserving the best of the West—wide open spaces, fish and wildlife habitat, and farming and ranching heritage—by providing sustainable solutions that promote environmental stewardship and rural economic prosperity."
Mary and Lill discuss the details of regenerative agriculture, down to its roots, and how local communities can support their family-run ranching businesses.
Learn more about Western Sustainability Exchange.
Learn about Regenerative Agriculture practices around the country and the world.
Read about the roots of this practice in indigenous ways of being with the world over thousands of years and up to today.
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Sep 30, 2022
HILFH #23 Elk River Writer's Workshop Part 2
Tune in for PART 2 of the panel of the five authors who spoke of the way the world looks to them in last episode of How It Looks from Here. In August, Gary & Mary were on the faculty of the Elk River Writers' Workshop in the Paradise Valley of Montana. As a part of that week, we had the opportunity to record a panel of five of these authors for two episodes launching the 3rd season of our podcast HOW IT LOOKS FROM HERE. This second episode features lively and important conversation among the panel participants. Mary facilitated the exchange that included poets, fiction and non-fiction writers, Beth Piatote, Camille Dungy, J Drew Lanham, Gary Ferguson and Pam Uschuk.
Elk River Writer's Workshop:
www.elkriverwriters.org
Beth Piatote - Domestic Subjects: Gender, Citizenship, and Law in Native American Literature (Yale, 2013), and The Beadworkers: Stories (Counterpoint 2019) https://complit.berkeley.edu/people/faculty/beth-piatote
Camille Dungy - Guidebook to Relative Strangers (W. W. Norton, 2017), [POETRY] Trophic Cascade (Wesleyan UP, 2017), Smith Blue (Southern Illinois UP, 2011), and Suck on the Marrow (Red Hen Press, 2010). https://camilledungy.com/
J Drew Lanham - The Home Place: Memoirs of a Colored Man's Love Affair with Nature (Milkweed Editions, 2016), [POETRY] Sparrow Envy (Hub City Press, 2016). https://jdlanham.wixsite.com/blackbirder
Gary Ferguson - The Eight Master Lessons of Nature (Dutton, 2019), The Carry Home (Counterpoint, 2015), Full Ecology - Repairing Our Relationship with the Natural World (Heyday, 2021) https://fullecology.com
Pam Uschuck - Refugee (Red Hen Press, 2022), Blood Flower (Wings Press, 2014), Crazy Love (Wings Press, 2009) http://www.pamelauschuk.com/index.html
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Sep 1, 2022
HILFH #22 Elk River Writer's Workshop Part 1
To open Season 3 of HILFH, Gary & Mary were part of an unequaled faculty of writers in support of an equally astonishing group of students, all of us at the Elk River Writers' Workshop in the Paradise Valley of Montana. As a part of that week, we had the opportunity to record a panel of five of these authors for the first and second episodes of Season 3. Mary facilitated this conversation that included poets, fiction and non-fiction writers, Beth Piatote, Camille Dungy, J Drew Lanham, Gary Ferguson and Pam Uschuk.
Elk River Writer's Workshop:
www.elkriverwriters.org
Beth Piatote - Domestic Subjects: Gender, Citizenship, and Law in Native American Literature (Yale, 2013), and The Beadworkers: Stories (Counterpoint 2019) https://complit.berkeley.edu/people/faculty/beth-piatote
Camille Dungy - Guidebook to Relative Strangers (W. W. Norton, 2017), [POETRY] Trophic Cascade (Wesleyan UP, 2017), Smith Blue (Southern Illinois UP, 2011), and Suck on the Marrow (Red Hen Press, 2010). https://camilledungy.com/
J Drew Lanham - The Home Place: Memoirs of a Colored Man's Love Affair with Nature (Milkweed Editions, 2016), [POETRY] Sparrow Envy (Hub City Press, 2016). https://jdlanham.wixsite.com/blackbirder
Gary Ferguson - The Eight Master Lessons of Nature (Dutton, 2019), The Carry Home (Counterpoint, 2015), Full Ecology - Repairing Our Relationship with the Natural World (Heyday, 2021) https://fullecology.com
Pam Uschuck - Refugee (Red Hen Press, 2022), Blood Flower (Wings Press, 2014), Crazy Love (Wings Press, 2009) http://www.pamelauschuk.com/index.html
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Jul 27, 2022
HILFH #21 Asher Jay
This episode, Mary speaks with Asher Jay, an award-winning conservationist artist, entrepreneur, National Geographic Explorer, and philosopher. Their conversation goes deep: from the psychological roots of our separation with nature and burgeoning reconnection, to the power of looking into the eyes of a wild animal. Listen in to hear about it.
Find Asher Jay at:
www.asherjay.com
www.henoscene.com
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Jun 28, 2022
HILFH #20 Lavoy Tolbert
This episode, Mary speaks with Lavoy Tolbert, legendary educator and wilderness therapist. Lavoy speaks of his connection to place near Loa, Utah, his understanding of the lessons that nature is ready to teach us, and how we can be right sized humans on the land.
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Jun 6, 2022
HILFH #19 Chuck Hudson
In this episode, Mary speaks with Chuck Hudson, Hidatsa Elder and longtime expert in Tribal/Federal policy and government relations. Chuck speaks of his and his family's history and experiences as they relate to the times we are living in, now.
He draws stories from his time advocating for the four treaty tribes of the Columbia River Intertribal Fish Commission
Throughout, he reflects on contemporary Native American culture and the longstanding challenges to Tribes' interests in protecting land and water, salmon and bison.
Many Dances Family Fund https://oregoncf.org/ways-to-give/donor-stories/responsibility-and-resilience/
Traditional Indigenous Knowledge - Article by Helen Thomas (Lakota) https://www.edsurge.com/news/2022-01-13-indigenous-knowledge-is-often-overlooked-in-education-but-it-has-a-lot-to-teach-us
Columbia River Intertribal Fish Commission
https://critfc.org/
**In recent days, we have learned that Charles Bearstail's body has been found on the banks of the Mis…
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Apr 9, 2022
HILFH #18 Petra Kuppers
This month Mary talks with Petra Kuppers, a disability culture activist and community performance artist. Petra holds the Anita Gonzalez Professor of Performance Studies and Disability Culture chair in English and Women's & Gender studies departments at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. She also teaches with the low-residency MFA Interdisciplinary Arts faculty at Goddard College. Petra uses somatic and speculative writing as well as performance practice to engage audiences toward more socially just and enjoyable futures. She has written academic books on disability arts and culture, medicine and performance, and community performance.
In their conversation, Mary and Petra consider the natural world and its diversity, alongside the political, spiritual and activist considerations that arise from being embodied.
Links to Petra's work:
Eco Soma: Pain and Joy in Speculative Performance Encounters.
Gut Botany (poetry collection)
Disability Visibility
https://www.alexispaulin…
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Mar 29, 2022
HILFH #17 Susan Bragdon
In this episode Mary talks with Susan Bragdon, the executive director and founder of SEEDS FOR ALL, an organization devoted to global food security. Seeds for All supports agroecology and regenerative agriculture by bringing the voices and participation of small-scale farmers into food policy and governance. Susan brings to this work her experience as an international lawyer and natural resource ecologist with 25+ years of experience working with governments, UN agencies and small-scale farmers to create policy change in support of agriculture that nourishes both people and the planet.
In their conversation, Mary and Susan unpack global policy actions to make clearer how that level of deliberation supports the nourishment and resilience of people and our world.
Music this episode by Cedar Mathers-Winn and Gary Ferguson.
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Feb 28, 2022
HILFH #16 Karuna Eberl
This month Mary talks with Karuna Eberl, a freelance journalist, photographer and filmmaker specializing in environmental issues, nature, travel, science and history. Karuna is an award winning author of travel and nature books who lives her life in the fullness of the wide wild world. She describes her life as centered in the natural world, from her childhood in the mountains above 8000 feet to the recent year she and her husband, Steve, spent exploring the country in their van.
In their conversation, Mary and Karuna dig into what we as individuals can really do to make a positive difference in the progression of climate change.
Koruna's Blog: https://www.naturerising.world/
Koruna's Website: https://www.wanderingdogcreations.com/
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Jan 31, 2022
HILFH #15 CMarie Fuhrman
This week, Mary speaks with CMarie Fuhrman, a poet and essayist. They talk about love, the deep, interconnected integrity that humans share with the natural world, and the grief that we must allow ourselves the time to feel, in order to act to repair our world during a time of climate catastrophe. Listen to gain insight and heart from this touching conversation.
CMarie Fuhrman's Website: https://www.cmariefuhrman.com/
CMarie's Essays:
"Aspen"
"Hells Canyon Revival"
"Coyote Story"
Music this week by Alexei Desmarais and Gary Ferguson.
You can find Mary and Gary's work at www.fullecology.com
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Dec 31, 2021
HILFH #14 Alayna Rasile Digrindakis
This week, Mary speaks with Alayna Rasile Digrindakis, about Alayna's work with plant-based textiles, fine art, and environmental activism. As an emerging young artist and designer, Alayna is keenly aware of the need to leverage her skills to make money, but that doesn't mean she needs to sacrifice her values: in fact, leaning into those values can open entrepreneurial opportunities, as Alayna found while working with milkweed fibers.
Find Alayna's work at:
https://alaynarasile.com/projects/
https://www.absorka.com/
Music this week by:
Cedar Mathers-Winn: https://kgvm.org/show/cedar-mathers-winn-naturalist/
Gary Ferguson - www.fullecology.com
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Dec 4, 2021
HILFH #13 Dustin Hunt
This month, Mary talks with Dustin Hunt, a muralist, art educator, and DJ at large in Lansing, Michigan. Dustin describes the challenges and triumphs of teaching math to youth through art. Within these lessons, there is a deeper lesson, about belonging, self-love, and a holistic understanding of the world.
Check out Dustin's work at https://www.muralmatics.com/
Music this episode is by Mikeyy Austin. Mickey's music can be found here: Mikeyy Austin (https://mikeyyaustin.bandcamp.com/). To learn more about his work, check out this excellent interview: Rising Music Star Mikeyy Austin.
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Oct 31, 2021
HILFH #12 J. Drew Lanham
Listen to how it all looks to Dr. J. Drew Lanham - ornithologist, scholar, activist and author of the celebrated memoir, The Home Place: Memoirs of a Colored Man's Love Affair with Nature. Drew Lanham and Mary cover a lot of ground - from childhood, to the truths of American history, to the way the world looks to a Mississippi kite flying overhead.
Read Drew's incredible poem Joy Is The Justice We Give Ourselves, here: https://emergencemagazine.org/poem/joy-is-the-justice-we-give-ourselves/
Find more information about Mary and Gary's new book, Full Ecology, here: https://www.heydaybooks.com/catalog/full-ecology-repairing-our-relationship-with-the-natural-world/
Music this week by Alexei Desmarais and Gary Ferguson.
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Sep 29, 2021
HILFH #11 Pamela Reed Sanchez
For the second episode of Season 2, Mary interviews Pamela Reed Sanchez, the president and CEO of the Seneca Park Zoo Society in Rochester, NY. Pamela holds close the connection of people with the natural world - with their truest nature. She sees supporting that connection as activism of the highest order. As a public leader and a writer of literary nonfiction, she describes what it means to be part of the solution.
Music this week by Cedar Mathers Winn and Gary Ferguson. Find us online, at https://howitlooks.captivate.fm/
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Sep 1, 2021
HILFH #10 Gary Ferguson
In our first episode of Season 2, Mary talks with her co-author and partner Gary Ferguson about their shared work, and recently published book, Full Ecology: Repairing our Relationship with the Natural World. Season 2 expands the focus of our podcast to larger questions about climate change. We look at how living through the COVID-19 pandemic bridges into circumstances of climate breakdown and presents us with opportunities of repair.
Everyone who Mary interviews has their own perspective on what climate change means for their lives, their work, and the world. So tune in, to find out how it looks from here.
Full Ecology: Repairing our Relationship with the Natural World is available now from Heyday Books at: https://www.heydaybooks.com/catalog/full-ecology-repairing-our-relationship-with-the-natural-world/
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Apr 14, 2021
HILFH #9 Jon Trapp
In this episode, Mary Clare speaks with Jon Trapp, a wildland firefighter and fire behavior analyst, emergency search and rescue volunteer, and wolf biologist. Jon describes his experience working on wild fires during COVID, being challenged by exposure events, social distancing at fire camps, and increased mental health struggles among his teams and patients.
Find out more about Jon's work at https://travelmontana.com/yellowstone-wolf-experience-with-jon-trapp/
Also, keep an eye out for the release of Full Ecology, the new book from Mary Clare and Gary Ferguson, out on Earth Day, April 22, 2021 from Heyday Books. Attend the virtual launch with Sister Helen Prejean by signing up here: https://www.wildboundlive.com/events/walkinthewild
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Mar 20, 2021
HILFH #8 Graham Stacy
In this episode, Mary talks with Graham Stacy just a few days before his 16th birthday. Graham lives in Gardiner, Montana. Gardiner has grown up around the Yellowstone Arch - the original entryway to the world's first National Park, established March 1, 1872.
Graham is a musician, an actor, an artist and a scholar. He loves history and is becoming increasingly fluent in Mandarin. He's clear that the land on which he and his friends live makes a difference in everything they do. Graham's perspective on his small town in COVID and his extension of that perspective into matters of climate health open windows for all of us. In particular, Graham kept coming back to the idea of deliberate diversity - a topic he's been exploring lately for it's expression among people and in the natural world. He came upon this term in his application for a spot in the United World College which has advanced him into final interviews.
Find out more about Graham's community here - https://www.visitg…
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Jan 30, 2021
HILFH #7 Meagan Lannan
In this episode, Mary talks to Meagan Lannan, a regenerative rancher, mother, and sustainable foods advocate in Paradise Valley, Montana. Meagan describes her work on the land, with her cows, goats, sheep, ducks, husband, and children. Life took a turn when COVID hit last year, but Meagan, her family, and her ranch have remained resilient.
Find out more about Meagan's ranch at: https://www.barneycreek.com/
Also referenced in the show is The Eight Master Lessons of Nature by Gary Ferguson. Find it locally here: https://www.countrybookshelf.com/book/9781524743383
Or find it on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Eight-Master-Lessons-Nature-Teaches-ebook/dp/B07N5GRGWF
CORRECTION: Music this episode by Alexei Desmarais, EJMJ, and Gary Ferguson.
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Jan 4, 2021
HILFH #6 Michelle Browder
Mary speaks with artist, alternative tour guide, and activist Michelle Browder. Based in Montgomery Alabama, Michelle Browder comes from a long line of civil rights and community activists. Michelle uses her artistic flair to build brands, send messages of truth, and heal the souls and psyches of the students she works with.
Find Michelle's work at https://www.anarchalucybetsey.org/. You can donate to her team's effort at https://www.fundraisingbrick.com/online-orders/anarcha/
Additional audio in this week's episode is used courtesy of www.unstrippedvoice.com
Music this week by Cedar Mathers-Winn and Gary Ferguson.
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Dec 1, 2020
HILFH #5 Sara Mapelli
In this episode, Mary Clare speaks with healer, activist, and artist Sara Mapelli about her life in Oregon and her work with bees. This year, Sara has endured hardships ranging from the immanent threat wildfire at their home in the Columbia River gorge, to the collapse of her bee hives due to pesticides, to the challenges of working through the coronavirus pandemic. Through it all, Sara maintains her wellbeing in unique ways.
Find out more about Sara Mapelli at her website: https://www.saramapellibeequeen.com/ You can also find many intriguing videos of Sara dancing with bees on YouTube.
Music this episode is by Cedar Mathers-Winn and Gary Ferguson. Gary has a new book called Full Ecology coming out in April of 2021, co-authored by our host Mary Clare. You can pre-order a copy now: https://www.amazon.com/Full-Ecology-Repairing-Relationship-Natural/dp/1597145181
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Nov 13, 2020
HILFH #4 Paris Mullen part 2
Mary and Paris continue their conversation, this time focusing on the intersections of the environment and social movements. Our social ecologies inform environments large and small, from global climate change to our individual well-being. Paris describes his strategies for finding wellness in stressful times.
Music this episode by
Cedar Mathers-Winn: https://cedararran.bandcamp.com/
Gary Ferguson: www.fullecology.com
Alexei Desmarais: https://medium.com/@alexeidesmarais
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Oct 25, 2020
HILFH #3 Paris Mullen - part 1
In the first of our two-part interview with public health worker and activist Paris Mullen, Mary and Paris talk about the recent protests for racial justice in Chicago and the ways in which the coronavirus pandemic is perpetuating inequities in public health for black and brown communities. With hope held high, Paris outlines his vision for equality and freedom in the context of health in America.
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Oct 1, 2020
HILFH #2 Carmen Yupe
Host Mary Clare speaks with Shoshone-Bannock tribal member Carmen Yupe about Carmen's pillars of strength in this time of COVID. Carmen tells stories of her training as a yoga instructor and her childhood trauma, and the support that she has found in her chosen communities: how she is supported by others, and how she, in turn, holds others up.
Music this episode is by Cedar Mathers-Winn and Alexei Desmarais.
Find Cedar at https://cedararran.bandcamp.com/
Find Alexei at https://medium.com/@alexeidesmarais
Check out Mary's work in Full Ecology with Gary Ferguson at www.fullecology.com
Find future episodes of How It Looks From Here at our website https://howitlooks.captivate.fm/
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Sep 18, 2020
HILFH #1 Joe Loviska
Welcome to How It Looks From Here. In this first episode, creators Mary Clare and Joe Loviska talk about how Joe's work in higher education has changed in times of COVID-19.
Check out Mary's work in Full Ecology with Gary Ferguson at www.fullecology.com
Find future episodes of HILFH at our website, https://howitlooks.captivate.fm/
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