Untangled Faith: Recovering From Spiritual Abuse
Amy Fritz
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A podcast for anyone who has found themself disillusioned or discouraged in their Christian faith journey and who want to hold on to their faith while untangling it from all that is not good or true. This is a podcast for those who want to recognize and recover from spiritual abuse or help provide healing for those who have been harmed in the church.
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96: The Reshaping of the American Church. Guest: Bob Smietana
Veteran religion journalist, Bob Smietana joins Amy Fritz to talk about his new book Reorganized Religion: The Reshaping of the American Church and Why It Matters.
The episode was originally aired in the fall of 2022.
Bob shares why burning it all down is not the best approach to organized religion, why the "organized" part of "organized religion" is important, and what the future of the American church looks like.
Bob also shares some thoughts on the pastoral plagiarism conversation and what it was like to be able to publish an exclusive interview with Beth Moore.
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Buy Bob's book: https://amzn.to/3LtRjKG
Leave a review: https://podcasts.app.com/us/podcast/untangled-faith/id1561001170
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
Where you can find me:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
https://facebook.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers: Michelle Pjanic, Phil & Susan Perdue
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Sep 13, 2023
95: Untwisting Scripture- Does God Really Want to Break Us? Guest: Rebecca Davis
"We want to present God as the savior that he is. He's a savior from our sin and shame." - Rebecca Davis
Author, Rebecca Davis, joins Amy Fritz to talk about teachings in the Christian church about suffering and brokenness.
In this episode, you'll learn about:
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How unraveling harmful church teachings can cultivate spiritual enrichment.
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The role of critical thinking and discernment as indispensable tools in biblical interpretation.
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The portrayal of God as a comforting sanctuary for those who've experienced abuse.
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The importance of an empathetic and accepting church environment in facilitating individual healing.
Resources:
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Work with Rebecca: https://heresthejoy.com/rebecca-davis-info/
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Buy Rebecca's new book: https://amzn.to/3ECVaCD
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/10/26/58-untwisting-scriptures-guest-rebecca-davis/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/07/06/45-for-the-ones-who-wonder-if-there-really-is-a-good-shepherd-guest-kj-ramsey/
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Where you can find me:
Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith
https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Sep 6, 2023
94: Lawsuit Update: Hypocrisy and Double Standards at Ramsey Solutions
Lawsuit Update: Hypocrisy and Double Standards at Ramsey Solutions
Explicit content and language warning.
** This is a conversation that was recorded for the Untangled Faith Patreon community in December of 2022. Since it has been about a year since there was much movement in the O'Connor lawsuit, I decided to share this audio publicly. If you hear any mention of "upcoming" dates, keep in mind that this was recorded almost a year ago.**
In this episode of the Untangled Faith podcast, host Amy Fritz is joined by attorney, Melissa Hogan, to discuss the ongoing lawsuits that involve Dave Ramsey's company, Ramsey Solutions (The Lampo Group), and the hypocrisy and double standards within the organization.
Melissa shares from her perspective as an attorney and from her personal experience with Ramsey Solutions in regard to the O'Connor lawsuit.
Melissa and Amy also discuss the inadequate investigation conducted by Ramsey Solutions and shed light on the power dynamics within the organization and the intimidation faced by individuals who challenge the status quo.
This episode serves as a wake-up call to listeners, reminding them of the need for ethical and responsible behavior within organizations.
We should all be living in a way that if a camera was following us around, our goal is to be able to stand by whatever we've said or done. - Melissa Hogan
Resources:
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Court documents from the O'Connor Lawsuit https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17372107/oconnor-v-the-lampo-group-llc/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
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RNS reporting on O'Connor Lawsuit https://religionnews.com/2022/09/02/at-dave-ramseys-company-some-sex-outside-marriage-was-ok-court-documents-show-righteous-living-oral-sex-hogan/
* Partial timeline of events, and O'Connor Lawsuit document map. https://untangledfaith.substack.com/p/hypocrisy-and-double-standards-at
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/11/03/20-our-ramsey-story-part-4-the-got-your-six-meeting-1-of-2-episodes/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/11/03/21-our-ramsey-story-part-5-the-got-your-six-meeting-2-of-2-episodes/
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Where you can find me:
Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith
https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Aug 30, 2023
93: Creating a More Accessible Church: Jennifer Ji-Hye Ko on Combating Ableism in Faith Communities
If the secular world is out loving disabled people more than the church, there's a problem. - Jennifer Ko
Jennifer Ko joins Amy Fritz for an essential conversation about disability, accessibility, and ableism in faith communities.
In this episode, you will be able to:
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Learn about the complex issue of ableism in our faith communities and how to combat it.
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Understand the importance and role of accessibility in places of worship like churches.
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Explore theological insights into disability.
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Reveal the deep-seated generational sin of partiality towards disabled individuals within religious circles.
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Learn more about the challenging experiences of individuals with unseen disabilities and society's misguided judgments.
Resources mentioned by Jennifer:
* Joni and Friends:
* https://joniandfriends.org/
* A Lamenter's Pathway to Joy by Jennifer Ji-Hye Ko
* https://www.amazon.com/Lamenters-Pathway-Joy-Devotional-Journal/dp/B09TN45GZ1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=a+lamenters+pathway+to+joy&qid=1685083811&sr=8-1
* Disability and the Gospel by Michael S. Beates
* https://www.amazon.com/Disability-Gospel-Brokenness-Display-Grace/dp/1433530457/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LOLW4FXWZDV1&keywords=disability+and+the+gospel&qid=1687510323&sprefix=disability+and+the+gospel%2Caps%2C131&sr=8-1
* Like Me by Laura Wifler
* https://www.amazon.com/Like-Me-Disability-Discovering-Person/dp/0736985751/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3E904QCUJTVBF&keywords=like+me+a+story+about+disability&qid=1687510361&sprefix=like+me%2Caps%2C132&sr=8-1
* God Made Me Unique from Joni and Friends
* https://www.amazon.com/God-Made-Me-Unique-Children/dp/194813070X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=god+made+me+unique+book&qid=1687510396&sprefix=god+made+me+unique%2Caps%2C135&sr=8-1
* A Day With No Words written by Tiffany Hammond who is a Black Autistic mother of two Autistic boys, one of whom is non-speaking
* https://www.amazon.com/Day-No-Words-Tiffany-Hammond/dp/1736949799/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=a+day+with+no+words+tiffany+hammond&qid=1687510536&sprefix=a+day+with+no+words%2Caps%2C132&sr=8-1
Connect with Jennifer here:
https://www.jenniferjihyeko.com
https://substack.com/@jenniferjihyeko
https://www.instagram.com/jennifer.jihye.ko/
https://twitter.com/jenniferjihyeko
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/05/24/81-prophetic-presence-lyndsey-medford-on-trusting-god-through-chronic-illness/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/06/14/84-boz-tchividjian-on-fighting-against-abuse-in-the-church/
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Connect with me on social media. You can find me at all these places.
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https://www.linkedin.com/
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https://www.facebook.com/untangledfaith
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https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
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https://www.twitter.com/faithuntangled
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Aug 23, 2023
92: How To Help A Grieving Friend. Guest: Natasha Smith
Note from Amy: I recorded and edited this podcast before a dear friend experienced a deep grief. This was already scheduled and uploaded and ready to share prior to that. So, while it may seem that this podcast is shared in response to that, it was not.
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If you’ve ever heard someone offer a Scripture verse at the wrong time or wanted to punch a wall after hearing someone offer a platitude to a grieving mother, you’re going to appreciate today’s episode.
Natasha Smith joins me for a conversation about grief. This is a personal one for me because I share about a deep, unexpected grief in my own life.
And, as a reminder to those of you who are in the Patreon community, I’ve there is some bonus audio with Natasha in which I share one of the kindest things I heard from a friend after I lost my mom. To listen to that, or to sign up for access, go to patreon.com/untangledfaith
Find Natasha here: Website: https://imnatashasmith.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/imnatashasmith
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/imnatashasmith/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/imnatashasmith
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/08/09/90-historical-cultural-influences-on-evangelicalism-guest-karen-swallow-prior/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/06/14/84-boz-tchividjian-on-fighting-against-abuse-in-the-church/
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Where you can find me:
Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith
https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Aug 16, 2023
91: Navigating the Intersection of Faith & Politics. Guest: Kaitlyn Schiess
"Read widely and in diverse communities. Challenge your biases and seek out perspectives that differ from your own. This will lead to a better understanding of Scripture and its application to our lives." - Kaitlyn Schiess
While an undergrad at Liberty University, Kaitlyn Schiess detoured from her plan to go to law school after the ideas involved in the intersection of religion and politics captured her attention. That detour led to Dallas Seminary and Duke Divinity School instead of law school and it has lead to two books on the subjects we're not supposed to talk about in polite company: Religion and Politics.
And that's a lucky break for us because Kaitlyn is the perfect person to join the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about this in a way that feels more like an invitation to something better than a challenge to enter a boxing ring.
Key moments from this episode:
Excitement for the New Book,
Kaitlyn's Unexpected Path into Religion and Politics,
Co-opting the Phrase "City on a Hill",
The Importance of Reading Widely and in Community,
Exploring Diverse Perspectives through Commentaries,
Navigating Political Differences in Christian Community,
The History of Cherry Picking Verses,
Moving Beyond Cherry Picking,
The Bible's Relevance to Political Questions,
Seeking Christ-likeness,
Resources:
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Purchase Kaitlyn's new book: The Ballot and the Bible. https://amzn.to/3DNVy0L
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Follow Kaitlyn: https://kaitlynschiess.com
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/08/09/90-historical-cultural-influences-on-evangelicalism-guest-karen-swallow-prior/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/06/14/84-boz-tchividjian-on-fighting-against-abuse-in-the-church/
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Where you can find me:
Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith
https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Aug 9, 2023
90: Historical & Cultural Influences on Evangelicalism. Guest: Karen Swallow Prior
Dr. Karen Swallow Prior joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about how Stories, Metaphors, and Images have influenced the Evangelical imagination.
We should always be trying to be aware of cultural influences and think about how they shape us as humans. - Karen Swallow Prior
In this episode we:
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Discuss the cultural forces that drive evangelical norms.
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Learn some context and origin and development of the evangelical faith.
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Contend with sentimentality issues complicating the evangelical landscape.
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Grapple with the issues of incongruence between the message and the messenger.
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/06/28/86-part-1-shiny-happy-people-the-impact-of-iblp-and-bill-gothard-on-the-evangelical-church-guests-kristina-kallman-and-jj-merrick/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/10/26/58-untwisting-scriptures-guest-rebecca-davis/
Resources:
Find Dr. Karen Swallow Prior here: https://substack.com/@karenswallowprior
Buy Karen's book: https://amzn.to/3YqW666
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Where you can find me:
Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith
https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Aug 2, 2023
89: Losing Legalism, Finding Jesus, & Why We Shouldn't Be Afraid of Questions. Guest: Christy Wood
If I question, if I doubt, what if everything falls apart? Become an atheist if you need to. If Jesus is real, he'll find you again. Let the things unravel that need to unravel. - Christy Wood
Have you heard these myths about deconstruction and the journey of faith?
Myth 1: Deconstruction means losing your faith.
Myth 2: Questioning is a sign of weakness.
Myth 3: Faith means never asking questions.
Christy Wood joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about leaving behind legalism and finding Jesus where we don't expect to find him.
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/06/28/86-part-1-shiny-happy-people-the-impact-of-iblp-and-bill-gothard-on-the-evangelical-church-guests-kristina-kallman-and-jj-merrick/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/10/26/58-untwisting-scriptures-guest-rebecca-davis/
Resources:
Find Christy Wood here: https://christylynnewood.com/product/religious-rebels-book/
Buy Christy's book: https://amzn.to/3q7zVVZ
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Where you can find me:
Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith
https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Jul 3, 2023
88: (Bonus)Addressing Problems in our Own Communities, Rejecting Gurus, & How All of This Informs Our Parenting Guest: Amber Cullum
Amber Cullum and Amy Fritz chat about their thoughts about parenting in a post-Gothard, Shiny Happy People world.
Find Amber Cullum here: https://graceeneoughpodcast.com
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/10/13/17-our-ramsey-story-part-1-hoping-to-be-chosen/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/10/26/58-untwisting-scriptures-guest-rebecca-davis/
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Where you can find me:
Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith
https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Jun 29, 2023
87(AUDIO FIX): Shiny Happy People: The Impact of IBLP and Bill Gothard on the Evangelical Church. Guests: Kristina Kallman and JJ Merrick
(If you downloaded this previously, there was a glitch with the audio. Hopefully, it's fixed now!)
Just a quick note at the beginning of this episode to let you know that today’s content is not safe for young children. We cover some heavy topics and I’m certain a few cuss words survived the final edit. I also wanted to let you know we cover the topic of abuse and understand this could be triggering for some listeners. Please take care while listening.
In early June, Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets debuted on Amazon Prime.
It reached more viewers in its first 9 days than any Amazon docuseries.
Journalist Selome Hailu reported in an article for Variety, that “measured over the same nine-day period, the series has been responsible for the acquisition of more new Prime Video costumers than any other Amazon docuseries.
While many have been drawn to watch this docuseries because of interest in the Duggar family, once they turn in, they get an education on an organization the Duggars have been closely tied to.
And that organization was founded and led for many years by a man we now know to have been credibly accused of the sexual assault of multiple young women among other abusive behaviors.
On today’s episode I’ll share some of the history of that organization and some stories from those who participated in one way or another in this community.
JJ Merrick and Kristina Kallman join Amy to share about their experiences with the IBLP and ATIA world.
Episodes you might enjoy:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/10/13/17-our-ramsey-story-part-1-hoping-to-be-chosen/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/10/26/58-untwisting-scriptures-guest-rebecca-davis/
Support the show:
Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com
Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Where you can find me:
Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com
https://instagram.com/untangledfaith
https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz
https://twitter.com/faithuntangled
https://twitter.com/amyfritz
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
Producers:
Michele Pjanic
Phil and Susan Perdue
Pam Forsythe
Chelle Taylor
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Jun 28, 2023
87: (Part 2) Shiny Happy People: The Impact of IBLP and Bill Gothard on the Evangelical Church. Guests: Kristina Kallman and JJ Merrick
Just a quick note at the beginning of this episode to let you know that today’s content is not safe for young children. We cover some heavy topics and I’m certain a few cuss words survived the final edit. I also wanted to let you know we cover the topic of abuse and understand this could be triggering for some listeners. Please take care while listening.
In early June, Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets debuted on Amazon Prime.
It reached more viewers in its first 9 days than any Amazon docuseries.
Journalist Selome Hailu reported in an article for Variety, that “measured over the same nine-day period, the series has been responsible for the acquisition of more new Prime Video costumers than any other Amazon docuseries.
While many have been drawn to watch this docuseries because of interest in the Duggar family, once they turn in, they get an education on an organization the Duggars have been closely tied to.
And that organization was founded and led for many years by…
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Jun 28, 2023
86: (Part 1) Shiny Happy People: The Impact of IBLP and Bill Gothard on the Evangelical Church. Guests: Kristina Kallman and JJ Merrick
Just a quick note at the beginning of this episode to let you know that today’s content is not safe for young children. We cover some heavy topics and I’m certain a few cuss words survived the final edit. I also wanted to let you know we cover the topic of abuse and understand this could be triggering for some listeners. Please take care while listening.
In early June, Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets debuted on Amazon Prime.
It reached more viewers in its first 9 days than any Amazon docuseries.
Journalist Selome Hailu reported in an article for Variety, that “measured over the same nine-day period, the series has been responsible for the acquisition of more new Prime Video costumers than any other Amazon docuseries.
While many have been drawn to watch this docuseries because of interest in the Duggar family, once they turn in, they get an education on an organization the Duggars have been closely tied to.
And that organization was founded and led for many years by…
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Jun 21, 2023
85: Model Minorities & Responsibility in White Spaces. Guest: Ally Henny
"That was such a freeing thing to realize, oh, wait a minute, this isn't mine to hold. This isn't mine to carry."-Ally Henny
In this episode of Untangled Faith, Ally Henny and Amy Fritz discuss the burden of responsibility placed on people of color in predominantly white spaces, including the myth of the model minority.
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The implication of model minority narrative and the weight they impose on individuals
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Strengthening your voice against injustice and acknowledging your capacity for change.
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The inefficacy of hollow demonstrations within racial justice theatre.
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Deciding to actively oppose hate speech and racist rhetoric in politics.
My special guest is Ally Henny
Ally Henny, a passionate writer and advocate on race-related issues, is a powerful force in the conversation surrounding the experiences of black individuals in predominantly white spaces. Drawing on her own journey as a woman of color, Ally empowers and educates her audie…
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Jun 14, 2023
84: Boz Tchividjian on Fighting Against Abuse in the Church
Boz Tchividjian, attorney and advocate for abuse survivors joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to answer your questions and talk about fighting against abuse in the church.
What's his origin story as an attorney?
The origins of GRACE.
Thoughts on the Us v Them messaging from many churches.
NDAs
Who is the Ronan Farrow or Jody Kantor of #churchtoo reporting?
Who did Billy Graham vote for? (Just kidding. Boz didn't completely clear this one up for us!)
(This episode originally aired in May 2022)
Links:
Sexual Abuse Attorney For Victims | Boz Tchividjian Sexual Abuse Lawyer (bozlawpa.com)
https://bozlawpa.com
GRACE:
GRACE (netgrace.org)
https://www.netgrace.org
Diane Langberg at the Caring Well Conference:
Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores - Diane Langberg on Vimeo
https://vimeo.com/365071832
Boz at the Caring Well Conference:
Winter Inside the Church and Hope for Spring - Boz Tchividjian on Vimeo
https://vimeo.com/36503…
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Jun 7, 2023
83: Dave Ramsey's Legal Nightmare: Time Share Exit Team Class-Action Lawsuit Deep Dive with Melissa Hogan
Dave Ramsey's Legal Nightmare: Time Share Exit Team Class-Action Lawsuit Deep Dive with Melissa Hogan
Dave Ramsey is facing a class action lawsuit from invested fans who trusted his endorsement of Timeshare Exit Team, a company accused of committing fraud. The case raises questions about what Ramsey knew or should have known, and whether he did due diligence before endorsing the company.
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The controversial partnership between Ramsey Solutions and Timeshare Exit Team.
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The legal implications surrounding the class-action lawsuit filed against Dave Ramsey.
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The importance of transparency and thorough evaluation in business interactions.
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The power of class-action lawsuits in promoting a responsible corporate culture.
My special guest is Amy Fritz, Melissa Hogan
Melissa Hogan is an accomplished lawyer with a career spanning over two decades. Her extensive experience has given her a deep understanding of the legal world, which she shares with listen…
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May 31, 2023
82: The Role of the Church in Mental Health. Guest: Allie
Care Warning. This episode contains mentions of mental health crises and adjacent issues. Please take care when listening.
Just when Allie thought she had found support within her church community, she encountered an unexpected twist that pushed her to fight even harder for mental health support. If you care about the intersection of mental health and the church, you're going to love this episode.
In this episode Amy and Allie talk about:
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The critical importance of mental health discourse in the church setting.
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The deep-rooted repercussions of spiritual ill-treatment on faith and mental stability.
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The urgency of cultivating empathy and aiding those wrestling with mental health dilemmas.
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Standing up for the precious, real-life individuals facing vulnerability and hardships within the church community.
Joining Amy Fritz on the podcast is Allie, the brains behind the Bruised Faith Instagram account. Allie's personal story of facing her own mental health challenges…
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May 24, 2023
81: Prophetic Presence: Lyndsey Medford on Trusting God Through Chronic Illness
Just as Lyndsey was starting a new chapter in her life, her chronic illness resurfaced, sending her on a journey of self-discovery and unexpected twists. But what she learned along the way will leave you rethinking your own relationship with your body and the world around you.
In this episode, we cover:
* Trusting God through chronic Illness
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The role of chronic illness as a prophetic presence in today's world.
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New perspectives on faith and community for individuals with disabilities.
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The significance of accessibility and inclusion within religious communities.
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The art of engaging with marginalized individuals without exploiting their experiences.
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The importance of tuning into and valuing our own bodies.
My special guest is Lyndsey Medford. Lyndsey is the author of My Body and Other Crumbling Empires. She has faced the trials of chronic illness firsthand and uses her experiences to delve into the connections between faith, health, and identity.
Key moment…
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May 17, 2023
80: Navigating Church Life After Pain With the Enneagram. Guest: Jesse Eubanks
In this episode of Untangled Faith, author and podcast host, Jesse Eubanks, joins Amy Fritz to talk about using the Enneagram for navigating church life after pain.
This episode covers:
Is the Enneagram Christian?
Evading the aspects of Christian celebrity culture.
Developing nurturing relationships while nurturing your well-being.
Leveraging the Enneagram to accelerate spiritual development and self-understanding.
Acknowledging individual traumas and the value of supportive systems.
Links:
Jesse's new book: How We Relate: Understanding God, Yourself, and Others through the Enneagram. https://amzn.to/3MxLVs3
Relate Better resources: https://relatebetter.com
https://lovethyneighborhood.org
Jesse Eubanks on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jesseeubanks
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May 10, 2023
79: Domestic Violence & Evangelical Churches. Guest: Neil Schori
This episode contains content that may be difficult for those who have experienced violence or who are sensitive to mentions of abuse or intimate partner violence. Please take care when listening.
In 2007, Pastor Neil Schori sat down with a woman who had come to him for marriage counseling. You probably recognize her name: Stacy Peterson.
Not long after that conversation, Stacy when missing and still has not been found.
Her husband, Drew Peterson, is serving time in prison for being convicted of murdering his previous wife.
Pastor Neil joins the Untangled Faith podcast to share his thoughts on the Steven Crowder video, what he wishes he had known about intimate partner violence and what friends and faith community leaders need to know to be safe places for those who may not even know they are in danger.
In this episode, we talk about:
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The multiple facets of abuse go beyond bodily injury.
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The necessity of pastors to possess the right skills to manage abusive scenarios.…
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May 3, 2023
78: The True Meaning of Discipleship. Guest: Caesar Kalinowski
A note from Amy:
I asked my guest this week some awkward questions because I feel strongly about caring for the people who listen to my podcast. I know you're not showing up to listen to a softball interview with someone trying to sell something.
I think we’re all allergic to that.
In this episode, we dig deeper into authentic relationships and discipleship in our faith communities that goes beyond measuring Butts in seats, Budgets, and Baptisms.
In this episode, we talk about:
* The true meaning of discipleship
* Everyday discipleship
* Discipleship training
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Nurturing real connections and uniting believers by embracing the power of community within discipleship.
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Reorienting your church's priorities from tracking weekly turnout to nurturing spiritual maturation.
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Maintaining a delicate equilibrium between extending invitations and presenting growth opportunities in your faith journey.
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Creating an environment that values trust and fosters vulnerability a…
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Apr 26, 2023
77: Behind the Scenes of the Podcast. Celebrating 2 Years!
It's time to celebrate 2 years of the Untangled Faith podcast!
Amy Fritz's husband, Nathan, interviews Amy for this episode to answer some of your questions.
* Has podcasting looked like Amy thought it would?
* What would Amy like the church to look like in the future?
* What from Amy's background prepared her to speak up?
* How much money is Amy making on the podcast?
* What are some highlights of the second year of podcasting?
Link to the document of all-things Ramsey Solutions:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.aweb.page/p/7c5e76a1-f0a4-4310-a4ea-9a94144c2a97
Links:
https://amzn.to/3KKV7Hn The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb
Related Episodes:
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/02/22/71-in-the-dark-spiritual-and-ethical-implications-of-ramsey-solutions-updated-employee-agreement/
https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/10/13/17-our-ramsey-story-part-1-hoping-to-be-chosen/
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Apr 19, 2023
76: Remember when we were afraid we'd miss the rapture and be left behind? Guest: Scot McKnight
Revelation: Seeking Discernment Over Speculation with Scot McKnight
"Instead of predicting something, the Book of Revelation gives us a template to discern the presence of political corruption in our world today."
In this episode, author and theologian Scot McKnight explains the problems with Dispensationalism, a largely 20th century phenomenon, as he guides listeners toward a more practical, Christ-focused approach to the Book of Revelation.
Here's some of what you'll experience in this episode:
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Explore the influence of Dispensationalism on American evangelicalism and its role in interpreting prophetic literature.
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Identify potential issues arising from speculative readings of the Book of Revelation and prophetic texts.
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Discover how the Book of Revelation serves as a guide for dissident discipleship and resistance.
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Understand the significance of Tov in fostering a goodness culture within the church community.
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Develop skills in navigating political disciples…
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Apr 12, 2023
75: Surviving, Healing, & The Pitfalls of Advocacy. Guest: Lori Anne Thompson
Have you been told to (or seen others) push through personal pain and trauma while engaging in advocacy for the health of the Church without being given the tools to manage your (or their) own emotional wellness? Are you often feeling overwhelmed and exhausted?
Meet Lori Anne Thompson: a compassionate survivor, storyteller, and student. Lori Anne is a devoted wife, mother, and enthusiastic cook who loves to share her passion for sustainable rhythms and healing for those who have survived trauma.
Lori Anne and Amy talk through these topics in this episode of the Untangled Faith podcast:
Who is Lori Anne Thompson?
The Three Phases of Recovery
How trauma can't be your whole life
Chronic activation
Finding sustainable ways to give back
Red flags to look for
Becoming what we're against
The power of saying no.
If you want to submit a question for the 2nd-anniversary episode, you can submit a question here: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/anniversary
Links:
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Apr 5, 2023
74: Orphaned Believers. Guest: Sara Billups
Author Sara Billups writes this in her book Orphaned Believers.
“Many of us are questioning if it’s worth staying in the church as we know it. The problem is, as hard as it may be, and with very few exceptions- captivity, a desert island- we can’t fully experience Jesus without some form of Christian community.
This book is for you, orphaned believer, weary from loss, and yet putting full hope in Jesus. It is also for you who have left church and remain compelled by the Christian story.
Because the spirit of God can work even, and especially, in our wandering."
In this episode, Sara Billups shares about how some of the missteps of the white American Evangelical church impacted her faith formation. Culture wars, end times obsession, and consumerism, oh my!
If you want to submit a question for the 2nd-anniversary episode, you can submit a question here: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/anniversary
Links:
https://www.sarabillups.com
Sara's book Orphaned Believers: https://a…
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Mar 29, 2023
73: Rejecting Authoritarianism in Discipleship. Guest: Becky Castle Miller
Author and Theologian, Becky Castle Miller joins Amy Fritz to talk about healthy discipleship.
In this episode, Becky and Amy talk about discipleship that takes into account the complexities of multi-cultural ministry, the signs of healthy and unhealthy discipleship, and how learning about internal family systems has become a helpful tool in her discipleship relationships.
Becky Castle Miller is an author, theologian, and former director of discipleship at an international church in the Netherlands. She is currently pursuing her PhD at Wheaton College.
If you want to submit a question for the 2nd-anniversary episode, you can submit a question here: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/anniversary
Links:
https://scotmcnight.substack.com
https://ifs-institute.com
https://amzn.to/40CqxpY No Bad Parts by Richard Schwartz
https://dralisoncook.com
https://amzn.to/3z9D9sH Trauma and Recovery by Judith Herman
https://amzn.to/3LUR11C In an Unspoken Voice by Peter Levine
https://amzn.to/…
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Mar 22, 2023
In Defense of Speaking Up
This is a rerun of an episode from April 2022. Amy will be back with a new episode next week.
In the spring of 2022, a sermon clip from a prominent pastor was shared widely on social media. In it the pastor had some pointed things to say about those talking about unhealthy churches and Christian leaders. Is speaking up like I’m doing here “dogging” on the church? Jenai Auman, writer and advocate for spiritual abuse survivors joins me for this conversation and later in the episode, author Mary DeMuth shares about her new book The Most Misunderstood Women of the Bible.
Links:
Jenai Auman on Instagram
Sign up for Jenai’s Substack
Mary DeMuth’s book: The Most Misunderstood Women of the Bible: What Their Stories Teach Us About Thriving
Mary DeMuth’s Instagram
Ryan Ramsey tweet thread: Ryan Ramsey on Twitter: "*Long(!)Thread* This is not a new observation but I’m reminded of it in the wake of Bethel Church events in the last week +: Fans/members/devotees of beloved fai…
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Mar 15, 2023
Grandpa's Narcolepsy and Jericho Marches. Funny Church Stories with Heather Fulk
This week's episode is a rerun of an episode that was shared in March of 2022.
Because we desperately needed something to laugh about, Amy asked her friend, Heather Fulk, to join her to share funny church stories.
From a narcoleptic grandfather to Jericho marches to "special" music, we've got you covered. I hope you're ready to laugh!
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Mar 1, 2023
72: Unraveling Abuse in the Church: Pete Singer on Third-Party Investigations & Trauma-Informed Practices
Pete Singer, executive director of GRACE, shares about grooming, hidden trauma, being "overly" sensitive to abuse, and the importance of third-party investigations.
“Perpetrators put a lot of effort into being the kind of person who would never do that.”
"Being more sensitive may be the product of having more knowledge."
Pete Singer is the Executive Director of GRACE: Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment and an expert on third-party investigations, trauma, and trauma-informed practice.
GRACE: Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment is a nonprofit organization that specializes in safeguarding initiatives to guard against church abuse, sexual abuse in the church.
In this episode, you will learn the following:
1. What misconceptions about perpetrators of abuse do people have, and how can we ensure we are more informed?
2. How does trauma-informed practice apply in churches, and why is it important?
3. How can churches protect possible victims and b…
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Feb 22, 2023
71: Why You Should Reconsider A Ramsey Solutions Job
Here's why you should reconsider a Ramsey Solutions job.
"If telling the truth is risking the business, you've got a truth problem, not a business problem."- Melissa J. Hogan
Melissa Hogan is an attorney and fan favorite of the Untangled Faith Podcast. She joins Amy Fritz to discuss the implications of new requirements for employees of Ramsey Solutions, and to shine a light on the ethical and spiritual issues surrounding the policies.
Here's what I cover with Melissa Hogan in this episode:
* Unethical, spiritual and practical issues surrounding a Christian company's new policies.
* Fear tactics and how they are used to control and manage an image, instead of promoting truth and Jesus.
* Potential legal challenges and rights surrounding non-disclosure agreements, works-for-hire and non-solicitation clauses, and forced arbitration.
Dave Ramsey's unhealthy work environment has implications for employee rights.
Episode transcript: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/wp-content/up…
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Feb 15, 2023
70: Whistleblowing On The Record: Lori Harding & Lori Adams-Brown's Experience
What happened when Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding courageously revealed the truth about abuse of power in the church?
Lori Adams-Brown shares more about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Pastor Andy Wood, successor to Rick Warren at Saddleback Church.
Lori Harding shares about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church.
"We do what we can with what we know, and that is a courageous act of faith." -Lori Adams-Brown
Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding are two courageous women who have gone on the record with a journalist to share their experiences with abusive and unhealthy leaders in the church. They both have a deep love for Jesus and a desire to bring justice and healing to those who have been hurt.
Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding found the courage to speak out despite the personal risk.
In this episode, you will learn the following:
1. What was it like to wait for their stories to be sh…
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Feb 8, 2023
69:Going On The Record with Lori Adams-Brown & Lori Harding: Trust, Trauma & Telling Your Story
"We did this out of love to protect sheep. Exposing the darkness to the light is how it happens." - Lori Adams-Brown
Some of you have a story to tell that you’ve never told anyone.
And some of you are wondering if that story should find it’s way to a journalist.
Where would you go?
How does that even work?
What all goes into the process and what do you need to know to make it out on the other side?
Today I’m joined by two friends who answer those questions as we pull back the curtain to show you what it’s like to go on the record for a journalist.
Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding are two courageous women who have gone on the record with journalist Julie Roys to share their stories of abuse in the church.
In this episode:
1. How they decided to go public with their story of abuse. What was the process like? What were their concerns? How did they navigate the process?
2. The role of investigative journalism in exposing the darkness and restoring the church: How did t…
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Feb 1, 2023
68: Navigating the Third Way in a Polarized Political Climate. Guest: Robin Jester Wootton
After spending her twenties running away from the church, Robin Wootton finds hope through a PCA church. And then it all started to crumble. Robin's husband (a PCA pastor) was fired while the COVID pandemic raged. In the subsequent months and years, she's given a lot of consideration to the false neutrality of the church's leadership.
"We're never called to be neutral."
In this episode, you will learn the following:
1. Presbyterian Church in America Problems
2. How the church saved Robin Wootton and her experience of the PCA.
3. The concept of a "third way" or "both sides" approach and Peacemaking in the church.
4. The consequences of Robin Wootton and her husband's attempt to challenge power dynamics in the PCA.
"Laboring in a context where the middle ground has the most power, we're always going to be pitched as the extreme on one side. Someone like me will always be seen as an extremist."
"If you can picture a place where Tim Keller is seen as an extreme progressive libera…
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Jan 25, 2023
67: The Secret to Being Courageous. Guest: KJ Ramsey
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In the introduction to her book, The Book of Common Courage: Prayers and Poems to find strength in small moments, KJ Ramsey says this:
“I titled this book The Book of Common Courage because courage is something we hold in common. Courage is not the possession of the bravest or biggest but the choice to move toward the heart when the mind and body are separated by fear. Courage is the choice to move our fear into communion.
When we don’t have words we need a witness.
We need with-ness.”
Is it possible to be courageous and fearful at the same time?
And what does it look like to start with being a compassionate witness to our own pain?
Author KJ Ramsey joins Amy Fritz for this discussion.
Topics covered:
*Social media boundaries.
*Courage as something you can cultivate.
*Courage begins by being a compassionate witness to yourself.
"When we tell the truth about what we've lived, particularly when we h…
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Jan 18, 2023
66: Learning To Love The Place You Came From (When You'd Rather Be Somewhere Else). Guest: Dr. Lauren Pinkston
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They say you can’t go home again, but what if all the doors of the exciting life you imagined were closing? What if you dreamed of doing work in an urban area, but instead ended up in Columbia, TN, an hour south of Nashville, where your husband grew up? Oh, and you make this big move right as politics have become a dumpster fire and a pandemic is about to start raging.
Is it possible God is working and moving in our neighborhoods where we bump into folks who have a tendency to be suspicious of each other’s politics and different faith expressions?
Dr. Lauren Pinkston joins Amy Fritz for this conversation.
Topics Discussed:
*Ending up in Columbia, TN in 2019 in the middle of political tension and an upcoming pandemic.
*Learning to love a place you come from when you know all of its dirt.
*Learning that God is not only pursuing people across the globe, but here in the southern United States, as we…
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Jan 11, 2023
65: What To Do When You Want to Tell Your Story, But You Can't
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One of the most common questions those who have experienced harm in a faith community ask is, "What do I do if I want to tell my story, but I can't right now?" Maybe you signed an NDA. Maybe you have a legitimate fear associated with talking. If part of healing involves talking, what if I can't talk?
Amy Fritz invites Lydia Craig and Melissa Hogan to join her to talk about how they navigated this for themselves and offer suggestions and hope for others.
Topics Discussed:
*How Amy, Lydia, and Melissa connected.
*When an unhealthy "gossip policy" gets in the way of having important conversations.
*How we figured out what was safe to share and who was safe to share with.
*Being conditioned to not speak.
*Reasons we didn't/couldn't speak for a time.
*Other ways to process painful experiences like this without speaking directly and publicly.
*Prioritizing your well-being.
*Going to those who have exi…
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Jan 11, 2023
Patreon Bonus: Religion News Happenings in 2022
Hi listeners!
Usually, we save these bonus episodes for Patreon supporters. This is an episode I shared with them in December. I decided to share it with all of you so you can see what kind of content is being shared on Patreon. Sometimes I do an entire stand-alone episode and sometimes I share portions of interviews just for my patrons.
If you're interested in becoming a patron of the show, join us at https://patreon.com/untangledfaith
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Jan 4, 2023
64: Reclaiming My Voice: A Short Origin Story of the Untangled Faith Podcast
To kick off 2023 Amy shares a brief origin story of the Untangled Faith podcast.
Quotes from this episode:
"My adult life has been filled with the realization that so many of these people and systems that influenced what I believed being a “good Christian” looked like weren’t who or what I thought they were."
"So many people I grew up viewing as the standard bearers of Christianity turned out to be hypocrites and grifters and abusers."
"And that’s when felt this heavy feeling that someone needed to go first. If someone would just be willing to go first others would likely have the courage to do so, too.
And maybe I could go first."
Blog post Amy wrote in April 2020 about why her husband resigned from Ramsey Solutions: Our Story of Leaving Ramsey Solutions • Amy Fritz (amyfritzwrites.com) https://amyfritzwrites.com/2020/04/15/leaving-ramsey-solutions/
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Dec 28, 2022
Special Holiday Remix. The Most Downloaded Episode of 2022
Gretchen Baskerville joins Amy Fritz to talk about Gretchen's book The Life Saving Divorce.
Lifesaving Divorce Website
Divorce Saves Lives
Examples of Abuse
Divorce and Excommunication
Abuse in Religious Homes
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Dec 21, 2022
Special Holiday Remix. The 2nd Most Popular Episode of 2022
The 2nd most popular episode of 2022 was episode 39: The Problem with Financial Peace University and Dave Ramsey's Financial Rhetoric.
This conversation we had was made possible by the fact that those of us involved in this episode have spent the last several years processing together our experiences with the ups and downs of Financial Peace University and the rhetoric coming from the Ramsey Show.
While we all had different levels of understanding and adhering to the plan, each of us have found ourselves with serious questions. Some of these questions started before we broke ties with the organization and some of these realizations came later.
We don’t claim to be unbiased observers. We all have had very painful and disappointing experiences with Ramsey Solutions, but we don’t think that negates the very real questions we raise.
Links:
D.L. Mayfield, The Myth of the American Dream
Dan Watt- Why Write About Lampo?
Dan Watt- Getting a Mortgage with no…
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Dec 14, 2022
Special Holiday Remix. The 3rd Most Popular Episode of 2022
The 3rd most popular episode of 2022 was episode 48: Former Ramsey Solutions Employees share their experience with Ramsey team meetings. Kristen Moser and Dan Watt joined me on this episode for a great conversation. In this episode, they share what it was like to experience Ramsey Solutions team meetings- particularly when the meetings were used to control a narrative or manage the image of the organization.
Related episodes:
Got Your Six Meeting, Part 1
Got Your Six Meeting, Part 2
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Dec 7, 2022
Special Holiday Remix. The 4th Most Popular Episode of 2022
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Nov 30, 2022
63: A Candid Conversation About False Accusations. Guest: Markus Watson
False accusations of abuse or sexual misconduct are rare, but they still happen. So, how do we handle this tension? Markus Watson joins Amy to tell his story of being falsely accused and later exonerated. Markus and Amy talk about the importance of investigations and consistency in following established protocols for handling accusations and Pete Singer, Executive Director of GRACE shares the importance of having investigations run by those who are trained and who have the qualifications to do that investigation.
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Nov 23, 2022
62: So You Want to Fight Against Injustice, But You Aren't Sure How. Guest: Josh Buck
Author, church planter, flimmaker, teacher, and faith-based entrepreneur, Josh Buck joins Amy Fritz to talk about his new book, Everyday Activism: Following 7 Practices of Jesus to Create a Just World.
Buck shares how he was radicalized by studying the life of Jesus and what it means to embrace the Gospel of Jubilee.
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Nov 16, 2022
61: Deep & Wide: Finding a Faith That's Richer & Better Than You Hoped. Guest: Traci Rhoades
Author Traci Rhoades joins Amy to talk about what she has learned from being curious about the way different Christians worship and express their faith. This curiosity has led to her Quaker gatherings, Catholic mass, and Orthodox worship in another language. And it's led her to the conviction that God called us to be one Church.
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Nov 9, 2022
60: Why Do People Stay and Support Unhealthy Communities & Leaders? Part 2. Guest: Jenai Auman
Jenai Auman joins Amy Fritz to talk about why people stay in unhealthy faith communities or organizations and why people continue to support these institutions and leaders even when there are reputable sources reporting red flags. This is part 2 of the conversation that Amy and Emily Snook started last week.
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46: When Narcissism Comes to Church. Guest: Chuck DeGroat – Untangled Faith Podcast
51: Celebrities for Jesus. Guest: Katelyn Beaty – Untangled Faith Podcast
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Nov 2, 2022
59: Why Do People Stay and Support Unhealthy Communities and Leaders. Guest: Emily Snook
Emily Snook joins Amy Fritz to talk about why people stay in unhealthy faith communities or organizations and why people continue to support these institutions and leaders even when there are reputable sources reporting red flags.
Disclaimer: Emily and Amy talk about this from the perspective of those who have agency and privilege and options to leave a place or situation that is unhealthy. Some in abusive situations have no good options because of other circumstances.
Why We Did It, by Tim Miller: https://amzn.to/3zvF0ZF
A Billion Years, by Mike Rinder: https://amzn.to/3NuUlj0
Other episodes you might like:
46: When Narcissism Comes to Church. Guest: Chuck DeGroat – Untangled Faith Podcast
42: Boz Tchividjian answers your questions on G.R.A.C.E, Caring Well, #churchtoo, & NDAs – Untangled Faith Podcast
51: Celebrities for Jesus. Guest: Katelyn Beaty – Untangled Faith Podcast
Leave a review for the podcast: https://podcasts.app.com/us/podcast/untangled-faith/id15610011…
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Oct 26, 2022
58: Untwisting Scriptures. Guest: Rebecca Davis
Author Rebecca Davis joins Amy Fritz to talk about common misinterpretations of Scriptures and how often they harm the most vulnerable.
Amy and Rebecca talk about:
*Bitterness and that pesky "bitter root" verse that may have a more nuanced meaning than you think.
*Is it a "biblical" thing to "believe the best" of others?
*The problem with a common definition of gossip used by Bill Gothard and Dave Ramsey (and many others)
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Buy Rebecca's books: Untwisting Scriptures: that were used to tie you up, gag you, and tangle your mind Paperback
https://amzn.to/3SFG97A Untwisting Scriptures that were used to tie you up, gag you, and tangle your mind: Book 2 Patriarchy and Authority
https://amzn.to/3W0Y8s5 Untwisting Scriptures that were used to tie you up, gag you, and tangle your mind: Book 3 Your Words, Your Emot…
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Oct 19, 2022
57: Start With Hello. Guest: Shannan Martin
Author Shannan Martin joins Amy Fritz to talk about Shannan's new book, Start With Hello: And Other Simple Ways to Live as Neighbors.
Don't miss Amy sharing with Shannan, for the first time, how years ago, Amy was afraid a connection with Shannan would cost Amy's husband his job (for real!).
If you've ever wondered how to make your life richer or been intimidated by all that encompasses loving those we bump into online and in our neighborhoods, you're going to love this conversation.
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Buy Shannan's new book: https://amzn.to/3D6MDI4
Falling Free: Rescued From the Life I Always Wanted-https://amzn.to/3Sa1TZ1
Shannan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/shannanwrites
Shannan's website: https://shannanmartin.com
If you're new to my podcast, here's a listening guide for you: https://www.instagram.com/p/CjJdCQuOV2t…
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Sep 21, 2022
56: The Reshaping of the American Church. Guest: Bob Smietana
Veteran religion journalist, Bob Smietana joins Amy Fritz to talk about his new book Reorganized Religion: The Reshaping of the American Church and Why It Matters.
Bob shares why burning it all down is not the best approach to organized religion, why the "organized" part of "organized religion" is important, and what the future of the American church looks like.
Bob also shares some thoughts on the pastoral plagiarism conversation and what it was like to be able to publish an exclusive interview with Beth Moore.
This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Buy Bob's book: https://amzn.to/3LtRjKG
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Sep 14, 2022
55: A Curious Faith. Guest: Lore Wilbert
Lore Wilbert joins Amy Fritz to talk about the spiritual discipline of curiosity and the importance of the "pastoral I don't know."
Topics discussed:
*The value of uncertainty
*"There is an implicit requirement of certainty to be included and to be loved and to be accepted."
*The difference between the healthy "I don't know" and the avoidance of conflict.
*What do you do when someone wants you to be certain about something and you aren't certain?
*The problem with some apologetics leaders.
*"God created us curious because He wants to be found."
Buy Lore's book: https://amzn.to/3Ry6q86https://
Check out Lore's substack: https://lorewilbert.com
Glittering images: https://amzn.to/3U6L0k3
Troubling a Star: https://amzn.to/3U3ti0N
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Aug 31, 2022
54: Silencing Strategies Used by Churches and Faith Organizations
Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to share from Melissa's legal background insights on NDAs, confidentiality agreements, and other forms of silencing techniques that churches or faith-adjacent communities might use.
Links:
https://melissajhogan.com
https://melissajhogan.medium.com
https://twitter.com/melissajhogan
https://twitter.com/melissajhogan/status/1361716852964151304
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This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
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Aug 24, 2022
53: I Miss The Before-Times Me
Amy Fritz shares about what it feels like when you no longer fit or find welcome in a place that used to be a refuge and what it's like to reckon with recognizing who we are now when it still feels awkward and uncomfortable.
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This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Host/Creator: Amy Fritz Producer: Michelle Pjanic
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Aug 17, 2022
52: When Your Domestic Abuser is A High-Profile Christian. Guest: Naghmeh Panahi
Naghmeh Panahi joins Amy Fritz to share about her experience of being a survivor of domestic violence at the hands of someone that many in the Christian world assumed was a hero.
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This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
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Aug 10, 2022
51: Celebrities for Jesus. Guest: Katelyn Beaty
Katelyn Beaty joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about what Katelyn learned as she was writing her upcoming book, Celebrities for Jesus: How Personas, Platforms, and Profits Are Hurting the Church.
Topics discussed:
How did Katelyn decide who to reach out to for endorsements for a book like this?
Proximity as an antidote to implosion.
An update on my former pastor who plagiarized most of his sermons and personal stories.
Ghostwriting
Plagiarism
What is the role of the consumer?
Buy Katelyn's book: https://amzn.to/3AaCGaY
Check out Katelyn's site: https://katelybeaty.com
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Aug 3, 2022
50: Dr. Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer share what they have learned from publishing A Church Called Tov
Authors and educators, Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer talk to Amy Fritz about what they learned from publishing A Church Called Tov.
A Church Called Tov- https://amzn.to/3OWtYS7
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb- https://amzn.to/3QxyfwD
Scot McKnight Substack Apology- https://scotmcknight.substack.com/p/an-apology
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This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here: https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
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Jul 20, 2022
48: Former Ramsey Solutions Employees Reflect on Their Experience with Ramsey Meetings
Kristen Moser and Dan Watt join Amy Fritz to share their experience as former employees of Ramsey Solutions. In this episode, they share what it was like to experience Ramsey Solutions team meetings- particularly when the meetings were used to control a narrative or manage the image of the organization.
[00:02:05] Intro Kristen Moser and Dan Watt
[00:19:10] In what category of listener in the meetings, were Dan and Kristen?
[00:24:19] Discrediting those who speak out.
[00:28:00] The pattern of Dave’s meetings.
[00:37:42] Pattern of disparaging spouses.
[00:43:18] Response to January RNS article.
[00:59:51] Dave’s demand for loyalty.
[01:00:00] PR spectacles.
[01:03:59] RS’s use of NDA’s.
[01:10:40] Sensemaking.
Links:
Got Your Six Meeting, Part 1
Got Your Six Meeting, Part 2
Nashville Scene Article
Religion News Service December 2020 article
Religion News Service January 2021 article
Ramsey Response to the RNS article
Liberty University Convocation
This…
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Jul 20, 2022
47: Impression Management & Ramsey Solutions. Guest: Dr. Wade Mullen
This episode includes mention of guns and a reference to an assault allegation. Please take care when listening.
Wade Mullen, impression management expert, joins Amy Fritz to share his observations of a Ramsey Solutions employee meeting. Wade Mullen shares how impression management works and points out some specific tactics that some people or organizations may use when they feel like their image is threatened.
Disclaimer: The observations that Dr. Wade Mullen shares are subjective and are his opinions based on his knowledge of impression management. This sort of analysis is most effective when it is done over a long period of time with multiple people reviewing the data.
[00:02:52] Background
[00:06:16] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 1.
[00:13:28] Wade Mullen observations. Appealing to cultural norms and standards. Generational norms.
[00:16:04] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 2.
[00:16:20] Language that stigmatizes others.
[00:18:35] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 3.
[00:19:1…
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Jul 13, 2022
46: When Narcissism Comes to Church. Guest: Chuck DeGroat
Author, licensed therapist, spiritual director, and speaker Chuck DeGroat joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith Podcast.
Chuck DeGroat is the author of the book When Narcissism Comes to Church which came out in 2020. The paperback edition releases soon making this a perfect time for a conversation with him on the podcast.
Amy and Chuck talk about all things narcissism including the many faces of narcissism in faith communities, what systemic narcissism looks like, and what to do when you hear reports that a leader you admire has hurt someone. How do you know what is true?
Time stamps:
[00:03:13] Amy’s experience on the launch team for Chuck’s book, When Narcissism Comes to Church.
[00:04:48] What is narcissism?
[00:06:53] Systemic narcissism
[00:11:58] Do our church systems attract narcissistic leaders?
[00:17:21] How does Chuck deal with resistance from pastors to seeing their own unhealth?
[00:18:40] Suggestions for those who want to build healthy faith communities
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Jul 6, 2022
45: For the Ones Who Wonder If There Really is a Good Shepherd. Guest: KJ Ramsey
Author KJ Ramsey joins Amy Fritz to talk about KJ’s new book The Lord Is My Courage: Stepping Through the Shadows of Fear Toward the Voice of Love.
This is for you if you’ve ever struggled with knowing what to share and when to share your experience of spiritual abuse. This is for you if you’ve walked through the valley and wondered if the Good Shepherd was actually “good” because your own experience with those supposed to be shepherds left you hurting.
KJ Ramsey is one of the kindest and most insightful voices I listen to in regard to spiritual abuse. I can’t wait for you to listen.
Time stamps:
[00:02:58] What’s it like to have Ryan (KJ’s husband) becoming more known as he shares his voice with the world?
[00:05:43] The writing process and working out your thoughts in public.
[00:10:12] How do you decide what to share and when to share it?
[00:17:00] How raw should we be when sharing our stories?
[00:19:50] Aren’t we just airing dirty laundry?
[00:21:25] We…
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Jun 24, 2022
44: A Candid Conversation About Abortion & Our Concerns with the Pro-Life Movement.
This episode was initially recorded in May 2022 shortly after the leak about a possible decision on Roe v. Wade from the Supreme Court in the US. There was a lot of chatter and I wanted to have a conversation with Emily Snook for my Patreon Community.
In light of the official decision announced today, June 24, 2022, I wanted to share this with everyone and Emily agreed.
So, if it sounds like we didn't know for sure what would happen with the Supreme Court, it's because we recorded this before the decision was announced.
Links:
Holy Post Episode 504
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May 11, 2022
43: What We've Gotten Wrong About Divorce. Guest: Gretchen Baskerville
Gretchen Baskerville joins Amy Fritz to talk about Gretchen's book The Life Saving Divorce.
Lifesaving Divorce Website
Divorce Saves Lives
Examples of Abuse
Divorce and Excommunication
Abuse in Religious Homes
Sponsor: The Ten Minute Bible Hour
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May 4, 2022
42: Boz Tchividjian answers your questions on G.R.A.C.E, Caring Well, #churchtoo, & NDAs
Boz Tchividjian, attorney and advocate for abuse survivors joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to answer your questions.
What's his origin story as an attorney?
The origins of GRACE.
Thoughts on the Us v Them messaging from many churches.
NDAs
Who is the Ronan Farrow or Jody Kantor of #churchtoo reporting?
Who did Billy Graham vote for? (Just kidding. Boz didn't completely clear this one up for us!)
Links:
Sexual Abuse Attorney For Victims | Boz Tchividjian Sexual Abuse Lawyer (bozlawpa.com)
GRACE:
GRACE (netgrace.org)
Diane Langberg at the Caring Well Conference:
Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores - Diane Langberg on Vimeo
Boz at the Caring Well Conference:
Winter Inside the Church and Hope for Spring - Boz Tchividjian on Vimeo
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Apr 27, 2022
41: Purity Culture and its impact on guys. Guest: Sheila Gregoire
Over the last decade, work has been done to address the unintended consequences of purity culture for women who grew up in the evangelical environment. Not as much conversation has revolved around the impact on guys. In today's episode Sheila Gregoire joins Amy Fritz to talk about Sheila's new book The Good Guy's Guide to Great Sex.
What part of the intimacy equation have we failed to educate men about? What do guys need to understand about the mental load their wife often carries? Why is it hard for Christian evangelical women to listen to their bodies? What toxic and damaging message do we need to stop telling guys about porn?
{00:01:47} Rethinking the "Girl's" Guide
{00"20:25} The wedding night = the perfect storm.
{00:24:50} Mental load
{00:38:40} Myths about porn
{00:49:57} A personal note from Amy
Links:
The Gift of Sex
The Great Sex Rescue
The Good Guys Guide to Great Sex
The Good Girls Guide to Great Sex
Sheila Gregoire's site
Pantsuit Politics- A chorus of 10,000…
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Apr 20, 2022
40: What's the Research Telling Us About Church Trends? Guest: Glenn Packiam
For over 30 years, The Barna Group has conducted research in the area of faith, culture, leadership and vocation. In 2020 they conducted a new study and collaborated with Glenn Packiam to author a book that shared their recent research results in a way that helped pastors grapple with how to pastor in this rapidly changing culture. The result was The Resilient Pastor: Leading Your Church in a Rapidly Changing World. In this episode Amy chat with author, Glenn Packiam about what he learned through this study and what it means for church health and ministry going forward.
{00:02:13} Who is Glenn Packiam and what is his ministry background?
{00:05:59} Is the current model of pastor sustainable?
{00:10:40} A visit with Eugene Peterson
{00:13:17} The pastor credibility problem
{00:21:15} How Glenn came to be an ordained Anglican preach at a nondenominational church
{00:27:16} How do we measure discipleship?
{00:31:26} Is "Becoming more Christlike" the same as "Learning to live a more…
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Apr 13, 2022
39: The Problem with Financial Peace University & the Ramsey Solutions Financial Rhetoric
Dan and Summer Watt & Melissa Hogan joined me for episode 39: The Problem with Financial Peace University and Dave Ramsey's Financial Rhetoric.
This conversation we had was made possible by the fact that those of us involved in this episode have spent the last several years processing together our experiences with the ups and downs of Financial Peace University and the rhetoric coming from the Ramsey Show.
While we all had different levels of understanding and adhering to the plan, each of us have found ourselves with serious questions. Some of these questions started before we broke ties with the organization and some of these realizations came later.
We don’t claim to be unbiased observers. We all have had very painful and disappointing experiences with Ramsey Solutions, but we don’t think that negates the very real questions we raise.
Links:
D.L. Mayfield, The Myth of the American Dream
Dan Watt- Why Write About Lampo?
Dan Watt- Getting a Mortgage…
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Apr 6, 2022
38: Misunderstood: Are We “Dogging” on the Church? Guests: Jenai Auman and Mary DeMuth
A week ago a sermon clip from a prominent pastor was shared widely on social media. In it the pastor had some pointed things to say about those talking about unhealthy churches and Christian leaders. Is speaking up like I’m doing here “dogging” on the church? Jenai Auman, writer and advocate for spiritual abuse survivors joins me for this conversation and later in the episode, author Mary DeMuth shares about her new book The Most Misunderstood Women of the Bible. {00:03:35} Jenai Auman and the Wilderness Forum
{00:08:15} Seeing institutional protection in faith communities
{00:11:30} The cost of being an advocate. We didn’t choose this.
{00:16:06} The Evangelical Industrial Complex
{00:20:51} The Exodus
{00:24:31} The sermon clip that inspired our conversation
{00:27:36} Are we expecting grace without offering it?
{00:32:24} Are we still welcome at the table?
{00:36:16} Wrap-up of our conversation regarding the MC video.
{00:38:18} Sponsorship. The Ten Minute Bible Hou…
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Mar 30, 2022
37: Funny Church Stories
Because we desparately needed something to laugh about, Amy asked her friend, Heather Fulk, to join her to share funny church stories.
I hope you're ready to laugh!
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Mar 29, 2022
Bonus Content from Kat, Colby, and Emily
I had so much fun talking with Colby and Kat Wilkins and Emily Snook, I couldn't fit all the audio in one episode.
Usually this means more bonus audio for the Untangled Faith Patreon Community. This time, because I'm testing a new podcast host, every gets it!
If you're interested in getting all the bonus stuff, check out the Patreon community.
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Mar 23, 2022
36: Let's Talk about Grief: Parenting a Child with a Rare Disease with Melissa Hogan and Catching Up with Colby and Kat Wilkins and Emily Snook
To wrap up this season on grief, Melissa Hogan joins Amy to share candidly the grief and being the mom of a child with a rare fatal disease. She shares this beautiful and terrible journey with us.
Colby and Kat Wilkins & Emily Snook join Amy again to share their thoughts on the podcast season and the responses they have received. Emily also gives us some bonus schooling on Baptist polity.
[00:00:00] Intro
[00:01:39] Melissa
[00:29:44] Colby and Kat Wilkins and Emily Snook
[00:42:00] Emily gets real Baptist!
[00:43:00] Colby talks
[00:46:15] Kat- the pieces are coming together
[00:50:14] Emily has something to say
[00:54:00] Kat and Colby
*Resources*
Everything Doesn't Happen for a Reason
Hunter Syndrome
Project Alive
Emily Rapp- Dragon Mom
Wade Mullen
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Mar 16, 2022
35b: Bonus Audio: Encanto & Brave Truth Tellers in Faith Communities
Kat Wilkins and Amy Fritz talk about the Disney movie, Encanto, and how it relates to telling the truth about broken systems.
Spoilers abound! Take care if you have not seen the movie and don't want to be spoiled. Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)
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Mar 16, 2022
35: Let's Talk about Grief: Boom! Acceptance After the Explosion
At the end of episode 34, Kat said "Things just exploded and they needed to."
We pick up right where we left off with Kat and Colby Wilkins. That wasn't the final explosion.
They share how their time at their former church came to an end, and some surprising timing coincidences with this podcast, as well as the way God provided a pastoral presence for them in the form of some friends.
Emily Snook and Amy keep talking about the things they miss about the "before" and how we need to acknowledge that life has changed, and holding the tension of the imperfect "now" as we wait for a redeemed "not yet."
Resources:
This Too Shall Last by KJ Ramsey
Chasing Vines by Beth Moore
Being Known podcast- Curt Thompson & Pepper Sweeney
The Discomfort You're Feeling is Grief
Sunflowers and toxic soil
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Mar 9, 2022
34: Let’s Talk About Grief: Something Just Exploded (Kat and Colby Wilkins)
Kat and Colby Wilkins join Amy Fritz to talk about how they lost their faith community. This is Colby’s first time on the show ,and he shares about how, in the words of Dr. Wade Mullen, his internal world was being dismantled.
This episode is a part of a series on grief. Amy shares some insights from Dr. Diane Langberg and Dr. Wade Mullen.
“You cannot live in this world and not grieve. To live here and not grieve is to be out of touch with reality. It is a failure to live in truth.” - Diane Langberg
*Time stamps:*
Men speaking up about spiritual abuse: [00:02:20]
Colby sets the record straight regarding the narrative about Kat: [00:03:29]
Picking up where we left off with the Wilkin’s story: [00:06:30]
Colby is told from that lead pastor that he has heard things about Kat that are concerning. [0023:25]
“Colby, Kat needs to be led.” [00:25:42]
The lead pastor approached Kat [00:27:37]
“Things just exploded. And they needed to explode.”[00:29:24]
[00:33:30]
Th…
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Mar 8, 2022
16b: Bonus Episode with Lauren Thoman: Processing Accounts of Spiritual Abuse
This is a bonus episode that is generally only available to our membership community. If you are interested in more bonus audio, visit this link: Untangled Faith Podcast is creating a podcast. | Patreon
Lauren Thoman answers a few questions for the Untangled Faith Podcast VIPs.
You're going to want to hear how listening to stories of spiritual abuse has helped her in her personal journey. Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)
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Mar 2, 2022
33: Let's Talk About Grief: Suffering in Community
Emily Snook and Amy Fritz keep talking about grief. In this episode, we talk about how suffering in community can help us as we work through grief.
What happens when your strengths and your weaknesses are putting you at odds with your community? Emily shares her thoughts on how she has seen this play out in her own life as a person with an underlying medical condition during this COVID pandemic.
Episode 30: Let’s Talk About Grief: On Grief and Loss of Community and Story with Curtis Chang
Episode 31: Let's Talk About Grief: The Mosaic of Grief & How Denial is a Good Thing
*Resources*
Prophetic Lament: A Call for Justice in Troubled Times
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Feb 23, 2022
32: Let's Talk About Grief: Is It Okay To Be Angry?
(After listening to this episode, Kat and Colby wanted to make a correction to make sure they were reflecting this account accurately. I've added that correction inside this episode.)
During Season 4 of the Untangled Faith Podcast, Amy Fritz has invited some of her friends to help her talk about the grief process. In this episode they navigate the grief mosaic and especially talk about anger.
Kat Wilkins fills in some of the blanks of their story.
Emily Snook and Amy keep talking about grief and anger. Emily shares everyone’s favorite Wanda Vision quote about grief and talks about what her little sister told her about the movie Inside Out and which character represents Emily.
Connie Baker: [00:01:46]
Kat Wilkins: [00:07:44]
Emily Snook: [00:30:00]
*Resources:*
Untangled Faith Newsletter
Patreon Membership Community
Emily Snook on Twitter
Connie Baker on Twitter
Kat Wilkins on Twitter
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Feb 16, 2022
31: Let's Talk About Grief: The Mosaic of Grief & How Denial is a Good Thing
Author and Therapist, Connie Baker joins Amy Fritz for a conversation on grief and denial.
Kat Wilkins shares the second part of her family's story of a painful church experience and the role denial played as they attempted to make sense of a confusing time.
Emily Snook shares how living with a rare blood disorder has impacted her experience with the local church. She also shares about how she has been disentangling her faith from her politics.
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Feb 9, 2022
30: Let's Talk about Grief: On Grief & Loss of Community & Story with Curtis Chang
Curtis Chang, consulting faculty at Duke Divinity school and host of the Good Faith Podcast, joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about grief and hopelessness. This episode kicks off a season focusing on grief. Kat Wilkins and Emily Snook also share some of their own stories of grief.
Kat Wilkins: [00:01:55]
Emily Snook: [00:05:46]
Curtis Chang: [00:08:28]
Subversions of the Gospel story: [00:15:44]
The tension of being in the middle of the story: [00:18:17]
Grief is critical to hope: [00:23:04]
Grieving is deeply biblical: [00:27:00]
Deconstructing in the Bible: [00:30:50]
The heart of Christian hope: [00:38:55]
Resources:
Good Faith Podcast
Untangled Faith Newsletter
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Feb 2, 2022
Coming Soon: Season 4 of Untangled Faith
I've been doing a deep dive on all things grief.
This makes me super fun at parties.
This season, I hope to walk us through the stages of grief. These are stages that are squishy. They bleed into each other. We don't process grief in a way that allows us to check off boxes finishing one stage and moving on to the next. And many of us are dealing with several losses simultaneously.
Loss of faith community.
Loss of relationships.
Loss of a dream you had that died.
Whatever the loss, it's worth honoring by taking a moment to pay attention.
Join me for the upcoming season Untangled Faith where we tackle the topic of grief.
Coming February 9th.
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Jan 29, 2022
29: Broken Trust: An interview with author Remy Diederich
Author and former pastor, Remy Diederich joins Amy to talk about his book, Broken Trust: a practical guide to identify and recover from toxic faith, toxic church, and spiritual abuse. Remy shares his story of being away from a physical church for 5 years and what he learned about spiritual abuse, and the surprising spiritual discipline of doing nothing.
Remy’s background: [00:02:05]
Time away from organized religion: [00:0851]
What about the verse about not neglecting meeting together with other believers?: [00:12:12]
What is toxic faith? [00:15:10]
Finding community when you’re not in a church building [00:24:02]
Spiritual disciplines without legalism [00:25:50]
*Resources/Links* Broken Trust: a practical guide to identify and recover from toxic faith, toxic church, and spiritual abuse
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Untangled Faith Podcast Newsletter
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Jan 12, 2022
28: Krispin Mayfield- Should I stay in my faith community to try to make a difference?
Krispin Mayfield joins Amy Fritz for a conversation inspired by a tweet: “Has anyone ever stayed at a church to make a change. . . ?”
The decision to stay or leave is full of nuance and situational specific issues. Krispin brings up some things to consider when making this decision. What kind of influence do you have? How much time are you willing to invest? What’s the history of the leadership? Do you have the margin to do this? What message are you sending by staying or leaving?
Mayfield also draws on his research in the area of attachment theory and how that impacts our relationship to organizations.
*Topics:*
What’s your motivation? [00:02:38]
What needs to be in place to have a fighting chance for change? [00:04:23]
What do you do if leadership says they are open to change, but nothing seems to change? [00:06:16]
Is this worth my investment? [00:10:47]
How do we know a leader is open to change? [00:14:47]
The toll of staying [00:17:29]
Moses [00:21:36]
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Dec 29, 2021
27: Ryan Ramsey- A message for people who have lost their faith community & for those who care about them.
Everyone is talking about deconstruction and what that means when it comes to Christians. And what about the verses that tell us not to neglect meeting together as believers? What does “meeting together” even mean? How do we process all of this if we’ve been hurt in a faith community?
Ryan Ramsey joins Amy Fritz to talk about all of this. They wrestle through some tough questions, address how the pandemic has tossed extra landmines into this topic and talk about the difference between Christian institutions and the body of Christ. Finally, Ryan offers encouragement for those who are struggling.
*Key topics:*
* Why people have left the local church [00:03:04]
* Is it okay to take time away from a local church? [00:05:27]
* COVID-19 and the local church [00:09:39]
* What to look for in a faith community [00:27:18]
* Slowly entering into a new faith community [00:34:45]
* Ryan’s words to those who are struggling [00:41:37]
*Resources*
Dr. Emily Smith, Epidemiologi…
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Dec 15, 2021
26: What About Bob? An Interview with Religion Journalist Bob Smietana
Veteran religion journalist, Bob Smietana, joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about what it's like to be a religion reporter, the insider baseball of faith communities, the factors he considers when deciding if he should cover a particular story, handling sexual abuse accounts without adding unnecessary trauma, and his thoughts about the response by Ramsey Solutions to his Jan 15, 2021 article.
You can find Bob on Twitter here: Bob
You can preorder Bob's book here: Reorganized Religion: The Reshaping of the American Church and Why it Matters.
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Dec 8, 2021
25: Our Ramsey Story, Part 9: Amy reflects on telling her story this season.
Amy gives Lauren Thoman the interview mic and Lauren asks Amy to reflect on this season of telling their story.
What kind of feedback has Amy received?
What was it like to speak up in a way that no one had previously?
What would Amy tell her 2012 self?
And there were lots more questions because Lauren had lots of things she wanted to know!
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Dec 1, 2021
24: Our Ramsey Story, Part 8: Just a Shot Across the Bow
Greg and Lauren Thoman join Amy to share their account of how their lives were upended by Ramsey Solutions leadership in May of 2020.
This is the 8th episode in this series about Ramsey Solutions.
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Nov 24, 2021
23: Our Ramsey Story, Part 7: Shots Fired
Nathan and Amy talk about the lengths Ramsey Solutions leadership went to in their attempts to silence them, including gathering up their friends to malign them and reaching out to their current employer.
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Nov 17, 2021
22: Our Ramsey Story, Part 6: Cut the Ties. Send a Flare into the Night
Nathan and Amy share about the the year after Nathan resigned from his job at Ramsey Solutions.
Links:
Julie Roys Podcast
Michael Hyatt Podcast
Organizational Narcissism and Virtuous Behavior
I Got Your Six
Leaving Ramsey Solutions
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Nov 3, 2021
21: Our Ramsey Story, Part 5: The Got Your Six Meeting (2 of 2 episodes)
Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to respond to Dave Ramsey's characterization of Melissa and Melissa's marriage in a meeting he led for all of his team members in May of 2019.
This episode may be triggering to people who have experienced abuse and subsequent secondary trauma from attempting to report and/or ask for help.
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Nov 3, 2021
20: Our Ramsey Story, Part 4, The Got Your Six Meeting (1 of 2 episodes)
Amy Fritz and Melissa J. Hogan dissect the Ramsey Solutions "Got Your Six" team meeting that was held in May of 2019 soon after Amy's husband, Nathan, resigned.
Patreon Membership Community.
Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting
Perry Noble Fired.
Mark Driscoll fired from Mars Hill.
Bill Hybels fired from Willow Creek.
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Oct 27, 2021
19: Our Ramsey Story, Part 3: Everything Falls Apart
Nathan and Amy talk about what happened when Amy's friend suddenly stopped communicating with anyone and how Amy's determination to make sure her friend was okay led her to stumbling across information that led to the end of Nathan's employment at Ramsey Solutions.
Links:
Statements from Melissa J. Hogan
Blog post about Nathan's exit from Ramsey
Our Story of Leaving Ramsey Solutions
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Oct 20, 2021
18: Our Ramsey Story, Part 2: Spies, Cash, Fear and Rich People Habits
Amy and Nathan Fritz share part 2 of their experience with the Ramsey Solutions Organization.
In this episode they talk about:
* Differences in accepting the culture between spouses who marry in to the company as opposed to those who were already married when their spouse was hired.
* The Daily Beast article/Twittergate.
* The time Amy thought she was going to get Nathan fired by leaving a comment on a blog post.
* Jon Acuff's resignation.
* The Ramsey Christmas Party.
* What happened when they lost the Best Place to Work contest.
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Oct 13, 2021
17: Our Ramsey Story, Part 1, Hoping To Be Chosen
Amy Fritz shares part 1 of the story of their family's experience with Ramsey Solutions, Dave Ramsey's Company.
Article Amy went on the record for in January 2021.
Ramsey Solutions Interview Process.
Entreleadership book.
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Sep 29, 2021
16: Is Talking About Church Hurt & Institutional Abuse Failure Porn?
Lauren Thoman joins Amy Fritz to answer that accusation that podcasts like The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill are "failure porn". They argue the value of listening to these accounts, discuss how the idea that we are all wrong about something should shape the way we interact with other people and ideas, and they dive into a bit of the story of how Christianity Today reported on spiritual abuse allegations at Bethlehem Baptist.
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Sep 22, 2021
Season 3 Trailer
We're in the final countdown to season 3!
September 29th will be the first episode of season 3.
Make sure you're subscribed to the podcast and the new episode will be waiting for you in your favorite podcast player when you wake up.
For information about joining the Untangled Faith Membership Community, check it out here.
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Sep 20, 2021
Announcement! Some Fun Podcast News
Tune in for an announcement about some things happening with the Untangled Faith Podcast.
For more information, click on this link.
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Aug 18, 2021
15: Ask Me Anything with Amy. Guest: Nathan Fritz
In this episode Amy answers questions from listeners.
What's the definition of spiritual abuse?
What's the difference between having your feelings hurt and being spiritually abused?
What would you look for in a new faith community?
What super power would Amy want?
Is Amy "team cat" or "team dog"?
How did Amy choose her podcast theme song?
Links:
Ryan Ramsey Article on Finding A Church
Julie Roys Podcast
A Safe Place: Guest Post by Pastor Gricel Medina & Ryan Ashton
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Aug 11, 2021
14: Risking Your Platform To Tell The Truth. Guest: Sheila Gregoire
Sheila Gregoire, author of The Great Sex Rescue, joins Amy for a conversation about Sheila's book, her decision to go forward with this information that could jeopardize her career, what it has been like to be church homeless, and waiting too long to leave a church.
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Aug 4, 2021
13: The Importance of Community When Processing Spiritual Abuse. Guests: Melissa J. Hogan and Lydia Craig
Melissa J. Hogan and Lydia Craig join Amy Fritz for a conversation about their friendship, being Ramsey Solutions spouses under a "no gossip" policy while navigating some painful situations, and the importance of having community while processing spiritual abuse.
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Jul 28, 2021
12: The Cost of Being a Bystander Who Speaks Out & Impression Management and Ramsey Solutions. Guest: Wade Mullen
Dr. Wade Mullen joins Amy for the second part of their conversation about impression management in Christian institutions. They talk about the cost of being a bystander who chooses to speak, Mullen's hope for the future, and Mullen does an analysis of the Ramsey Solutions response to a request for comment on an article they were planning to run.
You can find the Religion News Service Article here.
The Ramsey Solutions response is here.
Links:
Wade Mullen's website.
Mullen's dissertation.
Wade on Twitter.
Wade's book, Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from its Power.
The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life
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Jul 21, 2021
11: Impression Management in Abusive Organizations with Wade Mullen, Part 1
Author, speaker, and professor, Dr. Wade Mullen, joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about impression management.
In 2018, Mullen earned a PhD in leadership and did his dissertation on how evangelical organizations use impression management strategies in the wake of an image-threatening event. He specifically focused on Mars Hill Church, Sovereign Grace Ministries (now Sovereign Grace Churches), and Bob Jones University for his dissertation.
In this episode Mullen shares the red flags of organizations using impression management in an abusive way, why it's so hard for leaders/organizations to apologize, and the role of a bystander.
Links:
Wade Mullen's website.
Mullen's dissertation.
Wade on Twitter.
Wade's book, Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from its Power.
The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life
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Jul 14, 2021
10: Being a Good Friend When One of you Limps Away from a Faith Community & One Stays
Miranda Kokes joins Amy for a frank conversation about how they hung on to their friendship when Amy limped away from the church they attended together and Miranda stayed.
How can you be a good friend when you're in two different spaces? What do you do when you are still in a community you love, but that place has caused pain for your friend?
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Jul 7, 2021
9: How We Realized We Were in an Unhealthy Organization, Part 2. Guest: Melissa J. Hogan
This episode is part 2 of the conversation that Amy Fritz and Melissa Hogan started in the previous episode.
Amy shares more of what she was seeing in Ramsey Solutions that felt very similar to news of scandal with other Christian ministries and leaders.
In this conversation Melissa and Amy talk about over two dozen resources they found helpful in recognizing and processing abusive and/or unhealthy organizations, understanding the hurdles whistle-blowers have to telling the truth, and the voices that gave them courage to speak up.
You can find the *full list* of resources at the podcast website: Untangled Faith Podcast
*Links:*
Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney
Julie Roys
Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the System it Breeds
Afraid of the Doctor
Melissa J. Hogan, her story
Melissa J. Hogan on Twitter
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Jun 30, 2021
8: How We Realized We Were in an Unhealthy Organization. Guest: Melissa J. Hogan
Amy Fritz is joined by Melissa J. Hogan for a conversation about how they realized they were connected to an unhealthy organization.
Melissa is an author of the upcoming book Afraid of the Doctor. She's also a lawyer, rare disease awareness advocate, and she consults on clinical trial design and patient outcome measures. In other words, she's brilliant.
Amy and Melissa met when Melissa's husband at the time, and Nathan, Amy's husband, were working at Ramsey Solutions. In this episode they talk about how the events happening in the Evangelical world in 2018 and 2019, along with different strategic resources, helped to open their eyes red flags in the organization.
*Links:*
The Way of the Dragon of the Way of the Lamb
PhD dissertation from Wade Mullen
Bill Hybels abuse report
James MacDonald reporting by Julie Roys
Rachael Denhollander speaks up about abuse at Sovereign Grace
Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney
Julie Roys
Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the…
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Jun 23, 2021
7: Pastoring People Who Have Experienced Church Hurt. Guest: Ryan Ramsey
Amy Fritz is joined by pastor and chaplain Ryan Ramsey. Join them for a discussion on Ryan's deconstruction of the role of pastor, and why he advises people with church hurt not to move on, but to move in. They round out this conversation with a discussion about how to respond to reports of church hurt and how to deal with betrayal blindness and cognitive dissonance when we're told news about a person or organization that differs from what we have experienced or want to believe.
*Timeline*
3:22- How being a chaplain has informed Ryan's experience as a pastor.
8:12- The Biblical model of pastor.
14:50- The difference between "moving on" and "moving in".
21:00- Dealing with the cognitive dissonance of reckoning with negative accounts about a leader or organization you admire or benefit from.
25:00- Toxic loyalty.
31:36- How to respond to revelations of church hurt.
*Links:
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* *A Burning in My Bones: Authorizes Biography of Eugene Peterson**
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Jun 16, 2021
Coming Soon! Season 2: Your Spiritual Abuse Recovery Primer
Season 2 of the Untangled Faith Podcast will drop on June 23rd, 2021!
In this season Amy will invite you along to show you how she processed what it was like for her family to leave a spiritually abusive environment that left her with lots of questions.
How did we end up here?
What just happened?
How can I better recognize red flags?
We'll talk about:
* Resources that shed light on abusive organizations and that help promote healing.
* The power of community.
* What it's like to hold on to a friendship when one of you leaves and one stays.
* Telling your story.
Guests for this season include Ryan Ramsey, Melissa J. Hogan, Sheila Gregoire, and more. Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)
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May 19, 2021
6: Catching Up With Jeff and Sarah Owens and Colleen Reese, & A Conversation About Church Trends and Spiritual Formation
For the final episode in this season, Amy Fritz catches up with her guests that shared their stories in previous episodes.
Jeff and Sarah Owens share what has happened since the podcasts aired, including what surprised them.
Colleen shares how her current pastor responded to hearing her story and how she ended up mentioned in the Washington Post.
Dr. Gary Stratton returns and talks with Amy about church trends and spiritual formation.
*Links mentioned:*
A Church Called Tov
Narcissism in the Church by Chuck DeGroat
'If you have eyes, plagiarize': When borrowing a sermon goes too far (religionnews.com)
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May 12, 2021
5: An Interview with Scot McKnight & Laura Barringer
Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer have a conversation with Amy Fritz about their book, A Church Called Tov: Forming a Goodness Culture That Resists Abuses of Power and Promotes Healing.
Scot, Laura, and Amy talk about why pastors don't always publicly speak up when they see victims tell their story, where the term "wounded resisters" came from, the cost of speaking up, and the advice Scot gives to those who plan to go into ministry.
*Links mentioned:*
A Church Called Tov
Chicago Tribune
Sarah Pulliam Bailey Washington Post
Christianity Today Bob Smietana
Scot McKnight Blog
Narcissism in the Church by Chuck DeGroat
A Church Divided: German Protestants Confront the Nazi Past
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May 5, 2021
4: Sovereign Grace, Shining A Light On Abuse, & Part 2 of Sarah and Jeff Owens' Story
Sarah and Jeff Owens share what happened when they asked their church to support a third-party investigation into the abuse allegations against Sovereign Grace.
Helpful Links:
Part 1 of the Owens' Story
Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from its Power by Wade Mullen
Healing Spiritual Abuse by Ken Blue
Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse: Creating Healthy Christian Cultures by Oakley and Humphreys
What is a Girl Worth by Rachael Denhollander
Rachael Denhollander's statement to Christianity Today
Kyle J. Howard
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Apr 28, 2021
3: Gossip Policies & Part 1 of Sarah and Jeff Owens' Story
Amy's husband, Nathan joins her to have a conversation about gossip policies and their thoughts about the Christianity Today Article by Kate Shellnutt: Why Defining Gossip Matters in the Church's Response to Abuse.
Sarah and Jeff Owens share the first part of their story of dealing with broken systems as they served as missionaries in China.
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Apr 21, 2021
2: Pastoral Plagiarism and Part 2 of Colleen's Story
On Episode 2 of the Untangled Faith Podcast, Dr. Gary David Stratton joins Amy Fritz to discuss pastoral plagiarism. Mary DeMuth joins us again to talk about what healing looks like on the other side of spiritual abuse, and we hear the second part of Colleen's story of what happened after discovering that her pastor had plagiarized hundreds of sermons.
*Links:*
Episode 1: Recognizing Spiritual Abuse and Part 1 of Colleen's Story
Honesty Matters: The Problem of Pastoral Plagiarism
Ask Bob: What should I do about a pastor who is plagiarizing sermons?
Gary Stratton
Mary DeMuth
We Too: How The Church can Respond Redemptively to the Sexual Abuse Crisis.
Wade Mullen
CH Spurgeon Lectures to my Students
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Apr 14, 2021
1: Recognizing Spiritual Abuse & Part 1 of Colleen's Story
On the first episode of The Untangled Faith Podcast, Amy has a conversation with author and speaker, Mary DeMuth about the characteristics of a spiritually abusive environment.
We also hear from the first in our series of wounded resisters as Colleen shares part 1 of her story of discovering her pastor was hiding a big secret from their congregation.
Show links:
* * 10 Ways to Spot Spiritual Abuse | Mary DeMuth*
* *A Church Called Tov: Forming a Goodness Culture That Resists Abuses of Power and Promotes Healing*
* *Amy and Heather go on the record for Bob Smietana in this article*
* Esau McCaulley, The Unsettling Power of Easter
* *Mary Demuth*
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Mar 29, 2021
Introducing the Untangled Faith Podcast
If you've ever found yourself hurt or disillusioned by your faith journey and wanted to hold onto your faith while untangling it from all the things that aren't good or true, this is the podcast for you.
We’re sharing the hard and hopeful stories. We’re talking about what happens when deep hurts collide with our faith experience. We’re exploring what it means to be a wounded resisters hanging on to our faith. And we’re talking about what hope looks like on the other side.
Join us for season 1 of Untangled Faith, coming April 14 2021.
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