Rewilding Love
Rewilding Love
May 31, 2021
EP30 Mavis Karn: Listening Is the Foundation for Connection
Play • 1 hr 11 min

Mavis is a masterful therapist and coach who has been teaching the Three Principles and working with clients for over 40 years. Being in the presence of Mavis Karn feels like sitting in the ultimate seat of wellbeing, but just as Mavis points out, this feeling is simply a byproduct of us slowing down in the moment and releasing anything from our mind.

She teaches us about the importance of listening and how it comes first before anything else when looking to connect with others. Next, it is important to recognize our state of mind, as well as the other persons'. Understanding what mood we are in lets us know how to take care of ourselves and recognizing what another person's mood is, helps us to know whether or not they are in a good place to connect. Seeing state of mind makes it much easier to not take other people's behavior personally because we understand their behavior is a reflection of their state of mind and not us. Not taking other people's behavior personally means we suffer less.

Mavis has a beautiful way of speaking about how well we're made as humans, how we all are made of the same divine, universal intelligence, and how this essence of ours is more than enough to guide us toward a beautiful life. 

She simplifies human suffering by stating that in all her years working as a therapist there is only one diagnosis she would ever feel is appropriate, and that's forgetting how well we're made. When we aren't aware of this truth, we look in the wrong direction for healing and we struggle since it isn't there. But as soon as we trust in our divinity, we come back home.
This episode explores:

  • The divine, universal intelligence we're made of
  • We break the connection with our partners when we try to change their thinking, which can never work
  • The way to notice our innate wellbeing is by simply remembering it's there
  • When we are distracted from listening, just noticing that we're distracted releases us from the trance
  • The power of listening with nothing on your mind

Show Notes
Mavis Karn's recent and free listening trainings are accessible here.

Mavis Karn, LSW, MA, is in private practice offering coaching, counseling, teaching, education, and consulting services. Mavis’s honesty and humble “true north” understanding of the inborn potential of each of us is deeply and broadly respected by clients and colleagues globally. She does no marketing. She works from her home office in Minnesota. She’s the author of a well-known letter to juvenile inmates The Secret. You can connect with Mavis by sending an email to

Angus & Rohini Ross are “The Rewilders.” They love working with couples and helping them to reduce conflict and discord in their relationships. They co-facilitate individualized couples' intensives that rewild relationships back to their natural state of love. Rohini is the author of the ebook Marriage, and they are co-founders of The 29-Day Rewilding Experience and The Rewilding Community. You can also follow Angus and Rohini Ross on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. To learn more about their work visit: Read Rohini's latest blog.

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