Rewilding Love
Rewilding Love
Mar 29, 2021
EP21: Christine Heath & Judy Sedgeman: The Renegades
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Christine Heath and Judy Sedgeman discuss why they believe psychology has it backward. Psychology looks at things through a "causal lens" whereas Christine and Judy help their clients understand the role of thought in creating their experience. Psychological analysis can be intellectually stimulating, but it doesn't necessarily result in sustainable transformation. 

Judy and Christine reflect on their fresh look at the fundamental causes of stress and distress, instead of the traditional model of analysis and desensitization. They share how this not only creates a more graceful experience for their clients, but also for themselves. Providing therapy and consultation from the vantage point of knowing your client is innately healthy, rather than focusing on mental illness, is a total paradigm shift.

This episode explores:

  • Traditional psychology vs. Spiritual Psychology
  • How to avoid burnout as a mental health provider
  • Being descriptive vs. prescriptive
  • Making space for insight instead of analysis
  • Psychological freedom that emerges without suffering

Show Notes
Bats in the belfry: a British way of saying "batshit cray"
Educare: the etymology of the word educate, meaning to "draw out"
Guys, gals, actors, actresses: Rohini and Angus begin the episode in a bit of a tiff over whether "guys" can be considered gender-neutral. Rohini believes guys is not a gender-neutral term, even if women use it.  And women actors requesting to be called actors instead of actresses is a separate argument -- one that deals with equality in a profession's terminology. The argument for all genders to be referred to as "actor", is in favor of not being reductive of the profession, and categorizing one actor as being different (or less than) from another.  The way we refer to teachers regardless of their gender as "teachers."

Christine Heath is a licensed marriage and family therapist in both Hawaii and Minnesota, as well as a Master Addictions Counselor and a Certified Substance Abuse Counselor.  She is also the co-author of the book “The Secret of Love: Unlock the Mystery, Unleash the Magic”. In 1985, she co-founded the Hawaii Counseling and Education Center, an outpatient mental health and addictions program, and is the Executive Director.

Judith Sedgeman has been a mental health educator for over 30 years. She was named a Three Principles Practitioner by Sydney Banks. She works with a vast variety of client populations. She was on the faculty of the Medical School of West Virginia University, Morgantown, WV, for 13 years, and is the author of the forthcoming book It All Started with a Bird, to be published in Spring 2021.

Angus & Rohini Ross are “The Rewilders.” They love working with couples and helping them to reduce conflict and discord in their relationships. They co-facilitate individualized couples' intensives that rewild relationships back to their natural state of love. Rohini is the author of the ebook Marriage, and they are co-founders of The 29-Day Rewilding Experience and The Rewilding Community. You can also follow Angus and Rohini Ross on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. To learn more about their work visit:

Episode 21 features the music of RhythmPharm with Los Angeles-based composer Greg Ellis.

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