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They Will Kill
Courtney and Sadie Eck
They Will Kill is a true crime podcast hosted by sisters, Courtney and Sadie Eck. They will bring you well-researched, strange, and lesser known true crime cases each week.
5 hours ago
The Terrible Deeds of Kenneth Williams
From the time Kenneth Williams was born until the day he died his life was full of terrible trauma and unimaginable acts of brutality. Some of which he suffered through but most of which he placed upon others. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
May 5, 2021
The worst possible person and serial killer Gerard John Schaefer Jr
Over eight years and three continents, Gerard John Schaefer Jr lured between 34 and 80 young girls and women to their gruesome deaths in the cruelest possible way- by preying on their innocence and trust. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Apr 28, 2021
The Ding Family Murders
On April 29th, 2011 four members of the close-knit Ding Family were senselessly murdered leading to the largest manhunt in Northamptonshire's history. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Apr 21, 2021
The Sadistic Kidnappers and Serial Killers Charles Ng and Leonard Lake
In the 1980s, a simple shoplifting investigation led police to the bunker of Charles Ng and Leonard Lake and inside they found a house of horrors unlike any in American history. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
1 hr 2 min
Apr 14, 2021
The Gruesome Tale of the Last Call Killer
Richard Rogers was a soft-spoken, unassuming nurse from Staten Island who led a horrifying double life for decades. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Apr 7, 2021
The Mysterious Death of Paulette Gerbara
When four year old Paulette Gerbara went missing from her own bedroom in 2010, it seemed she'd vanished into thin air. Nine days later her body would be found in the least likely place, inspiring far more questions than answers. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Mar 31, 2021
The Murder of Ethan Walton and Kidnapping of Amanda Burney
On September 8, 2010 young couple, Ethan Walton and Amanda Burney, met with a man that morning to complete a property sale that would allow them to start planning for their future. Little did they know only one of them would make it out alive. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Mar 24, 2021
The Attempted Murder/Suicide of Issy and Kelli Stapleton
In 2013 Kelli Stapleton attempted to take the life of her 14 year old autistic daughter, as well as her own. Was she a victim of a failing mental healthcare system or a monster who valued the spotlight more than her own child? For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
1 hr 6 min
Mar 17, 2021
Psychopathic Killer- Paris Bennett
When 13-year-old Paris Bennett brutally murdered his 4-year-old sister, Ella, their mother is left desperate for answers to what went wrong. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Mar 10, 2021
The Tragic Story of Wayne Felde
Wayne Felde had wanted to be a solider for as long as he could remember but when he finally got his chance to go to the Vietnam War in 1968 it would end up destroying his life and the lives of many others. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Mar 3, 2021
The Slaying of Nancy Bishop Langert and Robert Langert
At one of the happiest times of their young lives, Nancy and Robert Langert were murdered in their home and the killing was as random and horrible as they come. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Feb 24, 2021
The Tragic Murder of Kenyatta Bush
When 17-year-old Kenyatta Bush is brutally murdered in 1987 it will take authorities years to find her killers but as soon as it seems justice has been served everything falls apart. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Feb 17, 2021
Tyler Barriss and the Witchita Swatting
Tyler Barriss was a lost and troubled teen who found solace in an online community that would irrevocably change the lives of hundreds of people and devastate one unsuspecting family in Wichita, Kansas. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Feb 10, 2021
The Devastating Murder of Jennifer Teague
A community in Ottowa Canada was devastated when 18 year old Jennifer Teague went missing after work in 2005. Luckily, a series of strange confessions and ambitious detective work would lead authorities to her killer. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Feb 3, 2021
Serial Kidnapper and Rapist John Jamelske
Starting in 1988, John Jamelske would kidnap and hold women in his underground bunker, sometimes for years, until one of his brave victims put an end to his 15 year reign of terror. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
1 hr 2 min
Jan 27, 2021
Pete Lucas Moses Jr and the Polygamous Cult Leader Murders
Pete Moses Jr was a manipulative and controlling man who managed to start families with multiple women all under one roof. When he didn't like the way things were going in his home his answer was murder. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Jan 20, 2021
The Shocking Murder of Chris Marquis
Teenager Chris Marquis was murdered in his home in 1998 and the events that led up to his death were shocking and completely avoidable. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Jan 13, 2021
The Heartbreaking Murder of Mary Gough Whelan
On March 1, 2001 Colin Whelan called 999 to get help for his wife, 27-year-old Mary Whelan, who fell down the stairs and wasn't breathing. When paramedics arrived, they knew right away his story wasn't adding up. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Jan 6, 2021
The Mystery of the Jamison Family Deaths
What would cause a loving family of three to suddenly pack up their belongings and head into the mountains where their bodies would later be found? Every answer in this case just leads to more questions. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Dec 30, 2020
The New Cross Double Murders
When two young French foreign exchange students are brutally murdered in a London flat, the overkill involved surprises even the most hardened detectives. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Dec 16, 2020
The Despicable Murders of Carol Jenkins and Madge Oberholtzer
Carol Jenkins and Madge Oberholtzer were murdered 40 years apart but their killers were connected through racism, hate and extreme violence. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Dec 9, 2020
The Ruthless Murder of Amanda Buckley
When 18-year-old Amanda Buckley was brutally murdered it shed light on a broken system that completely failed her. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
1 hr 4 min
Dec 2, 2020
The Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre
On the morning of February 10, 1990, two men walked into the Las Cruces Bowling Alley and shot 7 people, including small children. Despite having eye witnesses, 30 years have passed and the case is still unsolved. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com. This weeks promo is brought to you by The Troubles Podcast.
Nov 25, 2020
The Abduction and Murder of Brooke Wilberger
On the morning of May 24, 2004, 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger vanishes into thin air. It will take years and a little luck for detectives to find her killer. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Nov 18, 2020
The Twisted Murder of Dariusz Janiszewski
In 2000, Dariusz Janiszewski's body was found having been tortured, starved, bound and drowned. His murder investigation would lead detectives into the mind of a true madman. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com. This weeks promo is brought to you by Bloody Murder: A True Crime Podcast.
Nov 11, 2020
Babes in the Woods- Pine Grove Furnace
In 1934 three young girls are found dead in the woods of south-central Pennsylvania. What brought them to these woods is as tragic as it is puzzling. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Nov 4, 2020
The Senseless Murder of Bridget Shiel
19-year-old Bridget Shiel was found shot to death in an Atlanta city park and confirming her killer led to more questions than answers. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Oct 31, 2020
A Halloween Treat from the Patreon Archives: The Terrifying Murder of Doreen Erbert
Doreen Erbert was 8 months pregnant when she was brutally murdered on Halloween night by a man in a cartoon wolf mask. For show notes www.theywillkill.com.
Oct 28, 2020
The Appalling Murder of James Bulger
Three year old James Bulger was tortured and murdered in 1993 and the world was stunned when the monsters who carried out the crimes were revealed. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
1 hr 12 min
Oct 21, 2020
The Halloween Killer- Andrew Lackey
On Halloween night in 2005, 22-year-old Andrew Lackey was attempting to pull off the perfect heist. His plan quickly fell apart and by the end of the night, one man would end up brutally murdered, the other one in jail. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Oct 19, 2020
The Eck's Files Presents: Baby Bobo
(Fiction) Baby Bobo wants you to do the bad thing.
Oct 14, 2020
The Atrocious Murder of Charlotte Grabbe
Mother and hard working land owner, Charlotte Grabbe, went missing in 1981 and it took three years to uncover the horrifying truth of what actually happened to her.
Oct 11, 2020
The Eck's Files Presents: The Visit
(Fiction) A young couple has no idea what's in store for them during a visit to a childhood log cabin.
Oct 7, 2020
Craigslist Killer- Philip Markoff
In April 2009, someone is stalking Craigslist in the Boston area, looking for easy targets. When a rash of crimes happen back to back police move quickly to uncover who the culprit is. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Oct 2, 2020
The Eck's Files Presents: The Finger
(Fiction) A teen girl gets a truly horrifying nighttime visitor. Written and performed by Courtney Eck
Sep 30, 2020
The Mind Boggling Murder of Ann Hoover
When Ann Hoover bought a fixer upper in South Oakland in the 90s, she never could have imagined the horrors that lurked next door. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com. This weeks promo is brought to you by Perhaps It's You
Sep 23, 2020
The Grisly Murder of Gregory May
In August 2001, a human skull is found, encased in concrete, at a truck stop parking lot in Kearney, Missouri. It would take more than 5 years to piece together who the skull belonged to and who was responsible for his murder. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Sep 16, 2020
The Suspicious Deaths of Joby and Jason Graf
On August 26, 1986, young brothers, Joby and Jason Graf, are found dead inside a shed after it caught on fire. Was this an unavoidable tragic accident or murder? For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Sep 9, 2020
The Hospital Deaths of Anna Brown and Edith Rodriguez
Anna Brown and Edith Rodriguez lived thousands of miles apart but had one horrible thing in common: they both went to the emergency room to seek treatment for life-threatening but treatable conditions and both ended up dead after being arrested for insisting they be seen. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Sep 2, 2020
The Spirit Family Massacre
On September 18, 2014, Don Spirit murdered his daughter and SIX of his grandchildren before killing himself. As it turned out, those seven lives could have been easily spared... For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Aug 26, 2020
The Truly Twisted Tale of the Facebook Murders
In 2011, a seemingly innocent online feud between friends escalated into a diabolical catfishing scheme to murder an innocent couple. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Aug 19, 2020
The 2006 Phoenix Serial Shooters
Starting in 2005, there was a series of drive-by shootings that terrorized the Phoenix area. Join the Eck sisters as they discuss the Serial Shooters who killed at least 8 and injured 18. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Aug 12, 2020
The Baseline Killer
Starting in 2005, the Phoenix area was terrorized by a series of rapes and murders. This crime spree would last for nearly two years. Why did it take the police so long to catch the killer? The answers might surprise you. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
1 hr 8 min
Aug 5, 2020
The Cannock Chase Murders and the Black Eyed Girls
In the 1960s, Raymond Morris abducted and killed several little girls in a spree that terrorized a community for years. Decades later, people still report sightings of little girls with black eyes roaming the woods where his crimes took place. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com. This weeks promo is brought to you by Bruh Issa Murder.
Jul 29, 2020
The Grooming and Murder of Breck Bednar
Every parent's nightmare came true when Lewis Daynes befriended Breck Daynes through a gaming site in 2013. Their twisted friendship was the beginning of the end of Breck's life and a family's nightmare that would last for years. For episode details go to www.theywillkill.com. Podcast Promo- 90s Crime Time
Jul 22, 2020
The Mysterious Death of Colonel Philip Shue
On April 16, 2003, Col. Philip Shue brought his wife, Tracy, her morning cup of coffee, gave her a kiss, and left for his busy day ahead. Tracy had no idea that would be the last time she would see her husband alive. A few hours later, Col. Shue would crash his car into a tree just off the free-way. What at first looked like a tragic accident turned out to be something much more sinister. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Jul 15, 2020
Serial Killer Charlie Chop-Off
A serial killer savagely attacked four young boys and killed three in New York City between 1973-1974. A confession from a chronically mentally ill man put an end to the manhunt but left more questions than answers, specifically: Is the monster behind these crimes still free? For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com. Podcast Promo- Morbidology Website- https://morbidology.com/
Jul 11, 2020
The Insane Aftermath of the Zimmer Familicide
When Candy Williams' relationship began to sour, and she went looking for answers about the man she was engaged to, she never could have begun to imagine how awful the results would be. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com. Saturday episodes are now moving to Patreon. If you'd like to listen go to www.patreon.com/theywillkill for more information.
Jul 8, 2020
The Ups and Downs of Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker
In May 2013, Kai the hatchet-wielding hitchhiker went from viral video star and hero to being charged with murder. What happened and how did he fall so far? For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Jul 4, 2020
The Disappearance of Branson Perry and the Dark History of Skidmore, Missouri
On April 11, 2001, 20-year-old Branson Perry went out to put some jumper cables away in his shed and was never seen again. His disappearance was just one tragedy in a long history of violence and death that has plagued the tiny town of Skidmore, Missouri. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Jul 1, 2020
Anoka- Hennepin Suicide Cluster
Between 2010-2011, Nine students in the Anoka-Hennepin school district in Minnesota committed suicide. What would cause so many students to take their own lives in such a small time frame? For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
1 hr 12 min
Jun 27, 2020
The Morington Monster- John Myles Sharpe
John and Anna Sharpe appeared to be you average Australian couple. They spent their time working and taking care of their young daughter Gracie. When Anna and Gracie go missing in March 2004, the truth behind this seemingly normal marriage is revealed. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Jun 24, 2020
The Torture and Murder of Shanda Sharer
Shanda Sharer was a typical 12-year-old Indiana pre-teen who made the fatal mistake of making the wrong friend. The jealousy and terror unleashed on her by four teen girls one January night in 1991 is impossible to comprehend. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Jun 20, 2020
The Mysterious Death of Tamla Horsford
On November 3, 2018, 40-year-old Tamla Horsford attended a pajama party to celebrate her friend's birthday. When the party host woke up the next morning, they found Tamla's body in the back yard. Was her death a tragic accident or murder? For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
1 hr 1 min
Jun 17, 2020
The Baffling Case of Teresa Spitz
Teresa Spitz woke up on the morning of May 17th, 2004 and decided to kill her husband. Was she suffering a mental break or was this cold blooded murder? For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Jun 13, 2020
The Disappearance of Tamra Keepness
On July 6th, 2004, 5-year-old Tamra Keepness went missing from her home in Regina, Saskatchewan. Despite an intense search and years of investigation she's never been found. For show notes visit www.theywillkill.com.
Jun 10, 2020
Serial Killer and Sexual Sadist Peter Dupas
Peter Dupas was an Australian Serial Killer who was free to brutally murder 3-6 women despite a shockingly violent criminal record that spanned decades. A lot has happened since we originally recorded this episode and we wanted to say that we are one thousand percent behind the Black Lives Matter movement, the protests happening around the world, and the call to defund the police. There is so much we want to say and so much we need to learn and we are committed to using this podcast as a platform to share information, amplify black voices, and to offer a break when you need to recharge to continue to fight for what’s right. Please tell us how we can continue to do better and know that we are in it for the long haul. This is the largest human rights movement in world history and it’s about fucking time. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
May 30, 2020
The Stalking and Murder of Shana Grice
19-year-old Shana Grice was relentlessly stalked by her ex-boyfriend. After police failed to take her seriously, she was murdered. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
May 27, 2020
The Perplexing Case of Anthony Montwheeler
Anthony Montwheeler had a long history of mental illness and spent decades in and out of the Oregon State Hospital. Soon after being released from the hospitals oversight he would go on to commit a heinous crime. Did he have a psychotic break or was it something more sinister? For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
May 23, 2020
Part 2: The Murders (and Unbelievable Aftermath) of Seymour and Arlene Tankleff
In Part 2 of The Murders of Seymour and Arlene Tankleff we follow their son Marty through the horrifying process of proving his innocence and uncovering the police misconduct that turned his average teenage life into a waking nightmare. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
1 hr 26 min
May 20, 2020
Part 1: The Murders (and Unbelievable Aftermath) of Seymour and Arlene Tankleff
In 1988 Marty Tankleff awoke to find his mother dead and his father clinging to life having been beaten and his throat cut. Police immediately began to build a case against Marty despite overwhelming evidence in favor of another suspect. Marty’s story is a wild case of police misconduct, a false conviction, and overwhelming hope despite terrible odds.
1 hr 28 min
May 16, 2020
The Appalling Murder of Hana Williams
Larry and Carri Williams wanted to add a few more children to their already large family so they decide to adopt two children from Ethiopia. One of these children was 11-year-old Hana Williams. She was expected to obey her parents fully, without question, and was brutally punished if she didn't follow their rules. This punishment ultimately leads to her death. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
May 13, 2020
The Tragic Murder of Tamika Huston
In June 2004, 24-year-old Tamika Huston disappears. It takes a year to dig through the evidence that ultimately leads to her body and her killer. It's a story you won't want to miss. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
May 9, 2020
Serial Killer- Dennis Nilsen
Between the years 1978-1983, Dennis Nilsen brutally murdered at least 12 young men. His reign of terror was ended by a........ plumber. Seriously. For our show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
1 hr 2 min
May 6, 2020
The Suburban "Thrill Kill" of Daniel Sorensen
Daniel Sorensen's body was found burned, decapitated, and the fingerprints removed with a torch. What could drive someone to murder another person so brutally in a quiet suburban community? Go to www.theywillkill.com for our show notes.
May 2, 2020
The Senseless Murder of Cara Knott
20-year-old Cara Knott was murdered a few days after Christmas in 1986. There was no clear murder suspect until authorities were flooded with tips from the public. The killer ended up being the last person you would suspect. Go to www.theywillkill.com for our show notes.
Apr 29, 2020
War Cannibals and The Chichi Jima Incident
Five American Flyboys were captured in an air raid of Chichi Jima in WWII. What would happen to them next is beyond human comprehension. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Apr 25, 2020
The Puzzling Murder of Karen Navarra
On September 14, 2018, 67-year-old Karen Navarra was found brutally murdered in her home. The Fitbit smart watch and a neighbors Ring surveillance camera point straight to a very unlikely suspect. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Apr 22, 2020
The Surprising Murder of Neo-Nazi Jeff Hall
Jeff Hall was a leader and led rallies, border patrols, and monthly meetings for the anti-immigration hate group NSM, driving the group toward an ever more violent mission to reclaim a "white America". We don't want to give away too much but we can say that his story is truly shocking. For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
1 hr 4 min
Apr 18, 2020
Mass Shooter- Amy Bishop Anderson
On February 12, 2010, Amy Bishop Anderson shoots 6 of her colleagues during a weekly staff meeting, killing three of them. What would cause this upper middle class, 44-year-old, Harvard graduate to snap? Go to www.theywillkill.com for show notes.
Apr 15, 2020
Part 2: Cult Leader and Mass Murderer- Jeffrey Lundgren
If you haven't listened to Part 1 of this case, please go back to Episode 14. In this episode we finish covering the truly horrible case of cult leader Jeffrey Lundgren.
1 hr 2 min
Apr 12, 2020
Part 1: Cult Leader and Mass Murderer- Jeffrey Lundgren
In the 1980's Jeffrey Lundgren, a member of the RLDS church, built a group of followers that believed he was the next prophet of their Mormon religion. The actions of the cult and their diabolical leader will surprise and horrify you.
1 hr 8 min
Apr 8, 2020
The Murder of Claire Tempongko
On October 22, 2000 Claire Joyce Tempongko was brutally murdered in front of her two young children. Despite calling the police multiple times in months before her murder, nothing was done to protect her. Go to www.theywillkill.com for show notes.
Apr 5, 2020
The Bizarre (but solved) Disappearance of Cari Farver
Cari Farver's disappearance in 2012 would lead to years of terror and torment for her friends and family, leading to a truly surprising and sinister conclusion. Go to www.theywillkill.com for episode show notes.
1 hr 4 min
Apr 1, 2020
The Hot Car Death of Cooper Harris
On a hot June day in the suburbs of Atlanta, Ross Harris left his 22-month-old son, Cooper Harris, strapped in his car seat for over 7 hours. The temperature inside the car reached more than 120 degrees. Was this a terrible accident or murder? For show notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Mar 28, 2020
The Brutal Murder of Tynesha Stewart
19-year-old Tynesha Stewart was a freshman at Texas A&M University. While home on spring break, she decides to visit her ex-boyfriend and is never seen again. What happened to her and the way her body was disposed of is something only the wort of us could come up with. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com
Mar 25, 2020
The Puzzling Murder/Suicide of Scott Rogers and Mathew Hodgkinson
The bodies of Scott Rogers and Mathew Hodgkinson's were discovered on August 27th, 2014, revealing a chain of unbelievable mysteries that spanned several decades and two continents. Nothing is what it seems in this strange murder/suicide of a charismatic local celebrity and his loyal relative and house mate. Go to www.theywillkill.com for show notes.
Mar 18, 2020
Part 2: Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy- The Murder of Garnett Spears
If you haven't listened to Part 1 of this case, please go back to Episode 7. In this episode we finish covering the tragic and infuriating murder of 5-year-old Garnett Spears. His mother, Lacey Spears, suffered from Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. For episode notes go to www.theywillkill.com.
Mar 16, 2020
Part 1: Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy- The Murder of Garnett Spears
When 20-year-old Lacey Spears gives birth to a healthy baby boy named Garnett, the new mom couldn't be happier. According to his mother, Garnett begins to suffer chronic illnesses and is admitted to the hospital 23 times during his first year of life. Is this a terribly sick child or something much darker? For show notes visit www.theywillkill.com.
Mar 11, 2020
The Murder of Victoria Cushman
When 29-year-old Vickie Cushman was found brutally murdered in her apartment the process of finding her killer seems straight forward but in reality is f&@#!$&@ked.
Mar 4, 2020
The Chilling Murder of Alianna DeFreeze
January 26th, 2017 started out like any normal school day for 14-year-old Alianna DeFreeze. After she left for school, she was never seen alive again. What happened to her is what nightmares are made of. Join sisters, Courtney and Sadie, as they tell you Alianna's story. It's not easy to listen to but deserves to be heard.
Feb 26, 2020
The Dog Mauling Death of Diane Whipple
In this episode we cover the gruesome murder of Diane Whipple. Diane was mauled to death by two dogs in the hallway of her San Francisco apartment building. Was this a tragic accident or something more sinister? Go to www.theywillkill.com for this episodes show notes.
1 hr 4 min
Feb 19, 2020
Serial Killer- Bruce Lindahl
Pro tip: skip to episode four for improved audio and editing! These first few episodes are a little rough. :) This case has it all- a serial killer, a solved cold case... retaliatory falcons? Be sure to listen to Episode 3 of They Will Kill. It will blow your mind (or at least mildly entertain you for an hour). The end of his reign of terror is not one you'll see coming.
Feb 12, 2020
The Unsolved Murder of Blair Adams
Pro tip: skip to episode four for improved audio and editing! These first few episodes are a little rough. :) In this episode we cover the truly puzzling murder of Robert Dennis "Blair" Adams. Fearing for his life, Blair flees Canada only to end up murdered in Knoxville, TN. Who killed Blair Adams and why? For show notes visit www.theywillkill.com
Feb 7, 2020
The Murder of Kelly Eckart
On September 26, 1997, 18-year-old Kelly Eckart was abducted, raped and murdered. Michael Dean Overstreet was later convicted of the crime and sentenced to death row. Pro tip: skip to episode four for improved audio and editing!