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In this week’s episode there is a lot of Laura chat and Hollow has been to a teen-friendly gig. Meanwhile, Substantial has been studying Taylor Swift. Conversation then turns to ageing, with discussion about grey hair, gardening, learning from your mistakes and enjoying the benefits of middle age. There’s a creative kernel about work styles, and some wisdom about saying yes to curiosity and an intention to learn the language of the cryptic crossword.


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