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For her second episode under lockdown, Suzy Menkes looks up - at the fantastical hats of milliner Stephen Jones.

Working with Christian Dior - and as the imaginative hatter of choice for Comme des Garçons and Marc Jacobs - Stephen Jones explains how headwear is a signal of communication and self-expression.

The mighty milliner, with a witty sense of humour, defines designing for creative fashion houses and for clients as like going to a cocktail party: “You will have a different conversation and present yourself differently with each person in the room," Stephen says.

The conversation takes us through his Saint Martins years, the late 1970s London club scene and the creation of his own label. Stephen's description of that period? “Our drug was Fashion’’.

We also discover how Stephen’s relationship with Rihanna started - in fact - with Suzy herself.

Produced by Natasha Cowan.
Edited by Tim Thornton.
Music by @joergzuber.
Graphics by Paul Wallis.
Production Assistance by Lauren Sweeting.
Support for the Creative Conversations podcast comes from the Condé Nast Luxury Conference.
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