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Jan 4, 2023
Outsiders In Design - with Ryan Rumsey
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In this episode I’m talking with Ryan Rumsey about feeling like an outsider in design,

the very human need to belong, and some of the affects that feeling like an outsider can create in our lives and in our careers. Find out how we’ve overcome feeling like outsiders, and what we’ve done to find community. 

My guest Ryan Rumsey is author of Business Thinking for Designers and CEO of Second Wave Dive and the Chief Design Officers school. Before founding Second Wave Dive, Ryan worked for over 20 years as a designer and executive at Apple, Electronic Arts, USAA, Nestlé, and Comcast.  Ryan has a plethora of experience and titles in design, and yet, as we discuss, those things aren’t what we need to combat the feeling of being an outsider, or to create a feeling of belonging. 


Grab your FREE PDF download of Ryan’s book: 

Business Thinking for Designers by Ryan Rumsey 


Learn more about Ryan Rumsey's Chief Design Officer School:


Other resources:

Weird: The Power of Being an Outsider in an Insider World


Originals: How Nonconformists Rule The World


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