Today's guest is paleontologist Steve Brusatte, author of the new book The Rise and Reign of the Mammals: A New History, From the Shadow of the Dinosaurs to Us, previously the author of The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs, and also a paleontology consultant on the new movie Jurassic World: Dominion. We talk about what he calls "the story of us": the long history of our mammal ancestors from even before the dinosaurs, the three mass extinctions these mammals have survived (so far), how some of those mammals endured warm periods and ice ages and became humans, and what the future might hold. Steve also reveals his ethical concerns about the (unlikely) prospect of a real-life Jurassic World, and why we're both excited about dinosaur feathers.

Learn more about The Rise and Reign of the Mammals here: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-rise-and-reign-of-the-mammals-steve-brusatte?variant=40073694543906

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