Whiskey Web and Whatnot
Robbie Wagner
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Whiskey Web and Whatnot is an informal, whiskey-fueled fireside chat with your favorite web devs. We discuss all things web development including JavaScript, TypeScript, EmberJS, React, Astro, SolidJS, CSS, HTML, Web3, and more, but we also get to know the human side of developers and their hobbies outside of work. Hosted by RobbieTheWagner and Charles William Carpenter III of Ship Shape (https://shipshape.io).
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Building Zed: A Code Editor for Performance and Collaboration with Nathan Sobo
Nathan Sobo, Founder of Zed Industries, is a founding member of the team that built Atom at GitHub. With nine years of experience under his belt, Nathan made the bold decision to leave GitHub and start a new venture: building Zed, a code editor that captures his vast knowledge and ambitious goals.
Nathan opens up about the frustrations he faced with web technology, specifically Electron, which was initially developed to construct Atom but ended up being a resource-hungry burden. Zed, on the other hand, aims to be a more streamlined and efficient code editor by harnessing the power of Rust. Of course, this path was not without its challenges, as Nathan candidly shares the steep learning curve and unique ownership model that came with using Rust. But with determination and a deep understanding of Rust's capabilities, Nathan and his team created an editor with enough promise to secure funding in just two weeks.
In this episode, Nathan talks to Robbie and Chuck about his experience working with Atom, his motivation for building Zed, and the challenges of analyzing community feedback.
Key Takeaways
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[00:31] - Introduction to Nathan Sobo.
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[02:51] - A whiskey review: Redbreast Kentucky Oak Edition.
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[14:12] - Why Nathan created Zed.
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[27:55] - Future plans for Zed.
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[43:01] - Where the name Zed comes from.
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[48:08] - Nathan’s views on crypto.
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[53:39] - Nathan's time in Italy.
Quotes
[17:52] - “The learning curve for Rust was, I describe it as a vertical cliff with snakes nesting in the rocks biting me as I ascended it.” ~ Nathan Sobo
[39:11] - “If I look for 20 miles in any direction, I see shit that would be a really good idea to add to Zed.” ~ Nathan Sobo
[42:31] - “I didn’t lick my finger and figure out which way the wind was blowing to start working on Zed. I did it because I wanted to do it, and I didn’t even know why I wanted to do it.” ~ Nahan Sobo
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Nathan Sobo Twitter
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Nathan Sobo LinkedIn
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Zed Industries
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GitHub
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Rust
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Redbreast Kentucky Oak Edition
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Kentucky Owl
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Nike
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Whiskey Advocate’s Top 2 Whiskeys of 2022
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Four Roses Bourbon
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Teeling Whiskey
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Emacs
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Chromium
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Chrome DevTools
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Visual Studio Code
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Chrome
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Tuple
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Pop
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Slack
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Warp
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Electron JS
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Twitter
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Flutter
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JSON
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React
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Web Assembly
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Tree-sitter
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Hacker News
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Costco
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Kirkland
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Facebook
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Vue
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Pulp Fiction
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Svelte
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PHP
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Ember
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GPT-4
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RenderATL 2023
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Hot Ones
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Airbnb
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Duolingo
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Campari
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Amaro Nonino
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Fernet-Branca
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Aperol
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Bud Light
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Avignonesi
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Top-Tier, Full-Stack Software Consultants
This show is brought to you by Ship Shape. Ship Shape’s software consultants solve complex software and app development problems with top-tier coding expertise, superior service, and speed. In a sea of choices, our senior-level development crew rises above the rest by delivering the best solutions for fintech, cybersecurity, and other fast-growing industries. Check us out at shipshape.io.
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May 25, 2023
Hot Takes, Bun, and Zig with Jarred Sumner
Jarred Sumner, Founder and CEO of Oven, is bringing speed to the world of Javascript with his project, Bun. Bun is a next-generation Javascript runtime bundler, transpiler, and NPM package manager that promises lightning-fast speeds. It's already making waves in the industry. The company secured seven million dollars in funding to build hosting for Bun in August 2022.
One of the secrets to Bun's success is its use of the underrated programming language Zig. Jarred explains that Zig allowed him to be incredibly productive and save time with its memory allocator. Another essential feature of Bun is its pre-allocation of almost everything, avoiding the need for dynamically pushing arrays, which can significantly slow down the process. The new version of Bun also has a different runtime than other frameworks like Node and Deno, making it even faster.
In this episode, Jarred talks to Robbie and Chuck about his views on trending Twitter topics, how his company uses benchmarks to optimize Bun's performance, and what he believes has happened to the creativity of the web.
Key Takeaways
* [00:30] - Introduction to Jarred Sumner.
* [01:17] - A whiskey review: Peerless Small Batch Kentucky Straight Bourbon
* [04:42] - Tech hot takes.
* [11:15] - Jarred’s new bundler.
* [15:36] - Jarred’s reason for using Zig.
* [18:52] - Upcoming hosting product Jarred’s team is working on.
* [23:09] - What happened to the creativity of the web?
* [27:58] - Jarred’s draft tweets.
* [30:12] - Jarred’s hobbies besides coding.
* [38:51] - Other developers and projects Jarred finds interesting.
Quotes
[16:06] - “Zig is really productive. I tried to use Rust, and I just had a lot of trouble being productive.” ~ Jarred Sumner
[17:55] - “For CPUs, the thing that’s slow usually is not actually the processing, it’s memory.” ~ Jarred Sumner
[22:52] - “I think that we can make the internet and Javascript applications faster, and we can make it easier to deploy, and we can make it better. It going to be a lot of work, but it's going to be really fun.” ~ Jarred SumnerLinks
* Jarred Sumner
* Jarred Sumner Twitter
* Jarred Sumner Github
* Jarred Sumner LinkedIn
* Peerless Small Batch Kentucky Straight Bourbon
* Bun
* Oven
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* Chuck Carpenter
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May 18, 2023
Native Inputs, Blockchain, and Bluesky
What happened to the blockchain? A few years ago, it seemed like the whole world had high hopes for the technology. Today, Chuck and Robbie wonder if it will ever make a comeback. In addition to following up on last week's episode about input types, Chuck and Robbie remember the days when software piracy was rampant and how it affected the industry. This leads to a discussion about the blockchain and how everyone seemed to jump on the bandwagon a few years ago. But now, the technology seems to have faded into the background. However, Chuck and Robbie point out that the blockchain still has practical use cases, especially for things that require trust and immutability like government documents or a history of maintenance on a property. In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about the use of native inputs and how they can save time and effort, what happened to the blockchain and whether it will make a comeback, and the ebbs and flows of social media apps. Key Takeaways * [02:21] - A whiskey review: Buffalo Trace 90 Proof. * [09:50] - Chuck and Robbie discuss native inputs that they know. * [17:52] - New features launched in Supabase. * [20:36] - Subscription models. * [23:33] - What happened to the blockchain? * [27:42] - Bluesky invites on Twitter and the current state of social media. * [40:03] - Chuck and Robbie talk about gaming. * [48:01] - The crazy offer Robbie got for his house. * [50:13] - What Chuck and Robbie have been watching. Quotes [09:26] - "Buffalo Trace, really good, readily available, inexpensive that is a top choice." ~ Chuck Carpenter [https://twitter.com/charleswthe3rd?lang=en] [12:26] - "Oftentimes, they ask what makes a senior engineer, and I think the joy in deleting code is one of them." ~ Chuck Carpenter [https://twitter.com/charleswthe3rd?lang=en] [30:21] - "When TikTok came out, I was like TikTok is dumb. No one is ever going to use this. It's just for little kids to post dance videos and do stupid things, and now it's the biggest thing ever." ~ Robbie Wagner [https://twitter.com/RobbieTheWagner] Links * Buffalo Trace 90 Proof [https://www.buffalotrace.com/index.html] * Sazerac Rye [https://www.sazerac.com/our-brands/sazerac-rye-whiskey.html] * Todd Snyder [https://www.toddsnyder.com/] * Uniqlo [https://www.uniqlo.com/us/en/] * Coca Cola [https://www.coca-colacompany.com/] * RC Cola [https://www.rccolainternational.com/] * Pepsi [https://www.pepsi.com/]RC Cola [https://www.rccolainternational.com/] * Maker's Mark [https://www.makersmark.com/] * Babel [https://babeljs.io/] * M&M's [https://www.mms.com/] * jQuery [https://jquery.com/] * Bootstrap [https://getbootstrap.com/] * Big O Tires [https://www.bigotires.com/] * Supabase [https://supabase.com/] * Firebase [https://firebase.google.com/] * Google [https://www.google.com/] * Nicki Minaj [https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor] * Netlify [https://www.netlify.com/] * Vercel [https://vercel.com/] * Adobe Photoshop [https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop.html] * Rust [https://www.rust-lang.org/] * ChatGPT [https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt] * Blockchain [https://www.blockchain.com/] * Twitter [https://twitter.com/] * Bluesky [https://blueskyweb.xyz/]
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This show is brought to you by Ship Shape. Ship Shape’s software consultants solve complex software and app development problems with top-tier coding expertise, superior service, and speed. In a sea of choices, our senior-level development crew rises above the rest by delivering the best solutions for fintech, cybersecurity, and other fast-growing industries. Check us out at shipshape.io.
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May 11, 2023
HTML, Shadowbanning, and Open Source Buyouts
Engineers often have the urge to create something bigger and better than what already exists, driven by their competitive nature. But this desire for innovation can sometimes lead to overengineering, resulting in a loss of valuable time and resources.
Robbie shares his recent frustrating experience with the custom date and time pickers in an app that left him feeling flustered and confused. Chuck believes that a developer got carried away with trying to conquer a personal challenge or solve a unique user requirement, which is a common mistake. The truth is, there's no shame in using the existing vanilla libraries that are battle-tested. Chuck and Robbie recommend starting with the base functionality provided by the browser and progressively enhancing it, rather than building entirely custom components from scratch.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk about the benefits and drawbacks of building custom web components versus using native browser functionalities, the complexities of the Twitter algorithm, and open-source projects that are backed by corporate funders.
Key Takeaways
* [00:33] - A whiskey review: Sazerac Rye.
* [06:34] - Building custom vs. browser native HTML.
* [34:01] - Chuck and Robbie's challenges with Twitter.
* [37:15] - What's wrong with cryptocurrency?
* [44:36] - Chuck sold his Rivian while Robbie's house is still on the market.
* [52:48] - Syntax Podcast partners with Sentry.
Quotes
[09:41] - "Ultimately, you're always looking at what a browser provides for free and why that isn't good enough." ~ Chuck Carpenter [https://twitter.com/CharlesWthe3rd]
[13:08] - "Safari is the new Internet Explorer." ~ Chuck Carpenter [https://twitter.com/CharlesWthe3rd]
[41:21] - "The nice thing with Ethereum is it is really backing most coins because people just build on top of Ethereum." ~ Robbie Wagner [https://twitter.com/RobbieTheWagner]
Links
* Sazerac Rye [https://www.sazerac.com/our-brands/sazerac-rye-whiskey.html]
* Buffalo Trace Distillery [https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/]
* Vuori [https://vuoriclothing.com/]
* Jason Bateman [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000867/]
* Rittenhouse Rye [https://heavenhilldistillery.com/rittenhouse-rye.php]
* Safari [https://www.apple.com/lae/safari/]
* iPhone [https://www.apple.com/lae/iphone/]
* Internet Explorer [https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/internet-explorer.aspx]
* Progressive Web App [https://web.dev/progressive-web-apps/]
* Chromium [https://www.chromium.org/]
* Arc Browser [https://arc.net/]
* Brave Browser [https://brave.com/]
* jQuery [https://jquery.com/]
* React [https://react.dev/]
* Vue.js [https://vuejs.org/]
* WordPress [https://wordpress.com/]
* Bootstrap [https://getbootstrap.com/]
* Material UI [https://mui.com/]
* Tailwind [https://tailwindcss.com/]
* Next.js [https://nextjs.org/]
* Vercel [https://vercel.com/]
* Netlify [https://www.netlify.com/]
* Solid JS [https://www.solidjs.com/]
* Svelte [https://svelte.dev/]
* Seed.run [https://seed.run/]
* Twitter [https://twitter.com/]
* Shiba Inu [https://www.shibatoken.com/]
* Bitcoin [https://bitcoin.org/en/]
* Dogecoin [https://dogecoin.com/]
* Ethereum [https://ethereum.org/en/]
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May 4, 2023
Hot Takes, TanStack, and Open Source with Tanner Linsley
Tanner Linsley, Co-Founder and VP of UI/UX at Nozzle is known for creating some of the most popular open-source libraries in the tech space. These libraries keep the wheels turning by making things easier for him and many other developers in their day-to-day jobs.Tanner has built libraries, such as React Query and React Table, that are now part of TanStack, his branded collection of tools. TanStack's other products include a router currently in beta, TanStack Query Table, TanStack Virtual, and TanStack Ranger. Tanner explains that he started building these tools while working on his SEO analytical platform, Nozzle, where they were created to solve the challenges he faced while developing the platform. It hasn’t been easy managing the expectations of users and maintaining open-source projects without major funding, but Tanner has made an impact in the community nonetheless.
In this episode, Tanner talks to Robbie and Chuck about his take on trending tech topics, his popular open-source libraries in TanStack, and his future framework plans.
Key Takeaways
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[00:24] - Introduction to Tanner Linsley.
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[01:33] - A whiskey review: MONDAY Zero Alcohol Whiskey.
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[11:55] - Tech hot takes.
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[29:14] - What is TanStack?
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[35:17] - What is a framework?
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[45:08] - Tanner’s non-tech hobbies.
Quotes
[19:47] - “The ultimate UI that existed before so many other UI’s is Excel.” ~ Tanner Linsley
[24:22] - “Anytime you do anything outside of React, with state management, it’s all going to come back to use-sync-external-store.” ~ Tanner Linsley
[34:55] - “I have really big eyes for Solid right now. Even though almost everything I do is still in React. I stare at the greener grass every day, every day, for Solid.” ~ Tanner Linsley
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Tanner Linsley Twitter
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Tanner Linsley LinkedIn
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TanStack
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MONDAY Zero Alcohol Whiskey
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MONDAY Whiskey Sour Kit
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Saturday Night Live
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Ana de Armas
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Diet Coca Cola
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Tailwind CSS
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Ryan Carniato
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React
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Solid JS
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Preact JS
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Vue
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Next.js
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Nozzle
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Astro JS
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Vite
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Vercel
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Remix
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Shopify
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Netlify
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Dominik Dorfmeister
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Adobe Creative Cloud
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Reactathon
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React Summit
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React Rally
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Spotify
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Kent C. Dodds
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Tyler McGinnis
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Ryan Florence
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Svelte
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Apr 20, 2023
Confluent, Kafka, and Developer Advocacy with Lucia Cerchie
When you think about the career journey of a software developer, teaching elementary school is not typically the first thing that comes to mind. But for Lucia Cerchie, Developer Advocate at Confluent, her elementary school teaching experience gave her a huge advantage in her work.
In this episode, Lucia discusses her work with Kafka, a distributed event streaming platform, and how she creates content to introduce developers to Kafka more easily, especially for beginners. She explains Kafka’s scalability and how it can handle large amounts of data in real-time, making it a great choice for processing high volumes of data. But Kafka isn’t the answer for everyone. Lucia emphasizes the importance of understanding the "why" behind using it and knowing when to leverage it based on the problem at hand.
Lucia talks to Robbie and Chuck about her journey from being an elementary school teacher to her career in developer advocacy, her work at Confluent with Kafka, and how she creates content to make complex technologies more accessible.
Key Takeaways
* [00:27] - Introduction to Lucia Cerchie.
* [01:46] - A whiskey review: Barrel Bourbon Batch 032.
* [06:45] - Hot takes from Twitter.
* [14:21] - Lucia’s path to becoming a developer advocate.
* [19:58] - Lucia explains Kafka.
* [26:35] - Lucia explains Confluent and its business model.
* [39:15] - Programming languages Lucia has used in her tutorials.
* [44:17] - Chuck, Robbie, and Lucia talk about exercise.
* [47:45] - Lucia talks about her hobbies.
Quotes
[16:01] - “The motivation actually comes from back when I was teaching. Which is, I want to help other people learn and make teaching accessible.” ~ Lucia Cerchie
[25:03] - “Kafka's use cases are not just event-driven web apps. It’s things like main frame conversions, data pipelines.” ~ Lucia Cerchie
[40:08] - “I think I would recommend Python to absolute beginners to coding just because of the human readability of the language.” ~ Lucia Cerchie
Links
* Lucia Cerchie Twitter
* Lucia Cerchie LinkedIn
* Confluent
* Confluent Developer
* What is Apache Kafka®? (A Confluent Lightboard by Tim Berglund) + ksqlDB
* Apache Kafka Documentation
* Cerchie/learn-about-CLIs
* Cerchie/magic-byte-illustration
* Cerchie/git-cherry-pick-tutorial
* AIS demo
* Barrell Bourbon Batch 032
* Band-Aid
* Twitter
* NPM
* Tailwind CSS
* Vanilla CSS
* Typescript
* Ember JS
* ThePrimeagen
* IBM
* GraphQL
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Apr 13, 2023
Twitter Open Source Algorithm, Home Labs, and Chat GPT vs. Bard
Twitter released its open-source algorithm and developers like Robbie and Chuck are digging into the code to find out what they have been hiding. While the recommendation algorithm has been useful, it also has major pitfalls. Twitter’s algorithm categorizes and deprioritizes users from appearing on people's feeds which is frustrating when your page is the one being deprioritized.
Google launched its AI competitor, Bard. In a rap battle, ChatGPT emerged victorious, and the two AIs even agreed to take over the world together, which the hosts found somewhat creepy.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk about biases they discovered in Twitter’s open-source algorithm, how developers are turning home networks into high-tech home labs, and how Google’s new AI compares to ChatGPT.
Key Takeaways
* [01:45] - A whiskey review: Jack Daniel’s Old No. 7.
* [14:16] - Ways to improve safety on websites.
* [20:00] - Twitter makes its algorithm open source.
* [29:00] - What are home labs?
* [45:05] - Bard vs. ChatGPT.
* [50:47] - Virginia Tech Women’s Basketball team in the Final 4.
Quotes
[25:08] - “Twitter source code, there's a lot to start to unravel there, but it's nice that the algorithms are out.” ~ Chuck Carpenter
[29:27] - “There’s a whole culture of home lab creation, and it’s essentially like taking your home network and elevating it.” ~ Chuck Carpenter
[37:46] - “Mutanies are bad but, whenever one goes the way you want we call it a revolution instead.” ~ Robbie Wagner
Links
* Jim Beam
* Jack Daniel’s
* Glencairn
* Destination Imagination
* Odyssey of the Mind
* Pepsi
* Miller High Life
* Big League Chew
* Frank Sinatra
* Hpnotiq
* Bacardi
* Dr Pepper
* Kool-Aid
* GitHub Copilot
* Javascript
* IndexedDB
* Twitter
* The Primeagen
* Scala
* Rust
* Donald Trump
* Astro
* Dazed and Confused
* SolidJS
* ChatGPT
* Kubernetes
* Alexa
* Pi-hole
* Home Assistant
* Rasberry Pi
* React
* Minecraft
* Arch Linux
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Apr 6, 2023
Tech Layoffs, the Economy, and Remote Work
The tech industry is still grappling with the aftermath of the second dot com crash. Executives are cash grabbing, banks are failing and the government seems to be turning a blind eye. Will executives replace all their developers with AI?
It can be difficult to not turn your frustration to the C-suite when they seem to be getting more wealthy by cutting labor costs. Meanwhile, developers are living with the uncertainty and financial burden of ongoing tech layoffs. The industry's business practices and poor regulation seem a casualty of the pandemic from which the tech industry hasn't recovered.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk about the concerning state of the tech industry and the economy, ongoing layoffs and their impact on developers' lives, and the shift in remote work culture.
Key Takeaways
* [00:35] - A whiskey review: Black Button Single Barrel Finished in Port Cask.
* [08:58] - Chuck and Robbie discuss how the pandemic has affected tech jobs.
* [33:34] - Chuck and Robbie discuss college loyalty.
* [41:00] - Robbie talks about his upgraded camera setup.
* [43:58] - Chuck receives his Rivian R1S.
Quotes
[17:15] - "I'm a fan of capitalism in general, but there has got to be more regulation around it." ~ Robbie Wagner [https://twitter.com/RobbieTheWagner]
[20:07] - "Everybody loves capitalism until it doesn't work for them." ~ Chuck Carpenter [https://twitter.com/CharlesWthe3rd]
[22:27] - "Facebook killed MySpace, and ever since, I've hated them." ~ Robbie Wagner [https://twitter.com/RobbieTheWagner]
Links
* Boyz n the Hood [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101507/]
* Black Button Distilling [https://blackbuttondistilling.com/]
* FDA [https://www.fda.gov/]
* Ports of New York Winery [https://newyorkwines.org/winery/ports-of-new-york/]
* Salamander Signature Cake [https://www.salamanderresort.com/dine/signature-cake]
* Pepperidge Farm [https://www.pepperidgefarm.com/]
* Federal Reserve [https://www.federalreserve.gov/]
* American Airlines [https://www.aa.com/homePage.do]
* First Republic Bank [https://www.firstrepublic.com/]
* Microsoft [https://www.microsoft.com/]
* Google [http://www.google.com/]
* Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/]
* Twitter [https://twitter.com/?lang=en]
* PayPal [https://www.paypal.com/]
* Peter Thiel [https://www.forbes.com/profile/peter-thiel/]
* Dogecoin [https://dogecoin.com/]
* Tesla [https://www.tesla.com/]
* LinkedIn [https://linkedin.com/]
* Virginia Tech [https://www.vt.edu/]
* The Inn at Virginia Tech [https://www.innatvirginiatech.com/]
* Holiday Inn [https://www.ihg.com/holidayinn/hotels/us/en/reservation]
* McDonald's [https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us.html]
* Arby's [https://www.arbys.com/]
* Chick-Fil-A [https://www.chick-fil-a.com/]
* ThePrimeagen [https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePrimeagen/videos]
* Learn with Jason [https://www.learnwithjason.dev/]
* Range Rover [https://www.landrover.com/vehicles/new-range-rover/index.html]
* Rivian [https://rivian.com/]
* Audi [https://www.audiusa.com/]
* Chevrolet [https://www.chevrolet.com/]
* Cars and Bids [https://carsandbids.com/]
* Doug DeMuro [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsqjHFMB_JYTaEnf_vmTNqg]
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Mar 30, 2023
Exploring Open-Source and SolidJS with Ryan Carniato
Ryan Carniato, Creator of SolidJS and Principal Engineer at Netlify, has always had a love for music and tech. He set his punk rock dreams aside and settled down to become a full-time engineer.
Ryan started programming at the age of 11 and got his first job at eBay where he contributed to their top open-source project, Marko. After building his network and experience in open source, he landed a job with Netlify living many developers’ dreams of getting paid to work on open-source projects.
In this episode, Ryan talks to Chuck and Robbie about working on open-source projects, his experiences at eBay and Netlify, and his thoughts on TypeScript and inferred types versus explicit types.
Key Takeaways
* [00:31] - Introduction to Ryan Carniato.
* [02:18] - A whiskey review - Barrel Whiskey Infinity Barrel Project.
* [10:54] - Ryan comments on tech hot takes from Twitter.
* [15:21] - How Ryan started programming at 11 years old.
* [19:50] - Ryan's journey into working on open-source projects.
* [45:48] - Ryan talks about music, hiking, and video games.
Quotes
[13:04] - “When you think of Typescript, you think of something concrete, like something you can build on, and dependable. In Javascript, it's more like an art. Kinda like painting.” ~ Ryan Carniato
[19:14] - “I think at a young age where you can find those things that you are empowered to just do whatever you feel like, it's super powerful.” ~ Ryan Carniato
[29:14] - “Our biggest bottleneck is the network and the devices that are in the users' hands.” ~ Ryan Carniato
Links
* Ryan Carniato Twitter
* Mr. Solid
* SoildJS
* eBay
* Netlify
* Barrel Whiskey Infinity Barrel Project
* Twitter
* Motley Crue
* Tailwind CSS
* The Primeagen
* SEGA Genesis
* Nintendo
* Geek Squad
* Jurassic Park
* Vue JS
* Knockout JS
* Backbone JS
* Marko JS
* The Madness
* The Clash
* High Fidelity
* Angular
* Ember JS
* React
* Svelte
* Astro
* Next JS
* jQuery
* Jason Miller
* JSX
* Mesa
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Mar 23, 2023
The Benefits of Networking, Tech Conferences, and Disney World
Conferences are one of the best ways to network with like-minded developers and find new insights to bring back to your team. Plus, you might even be able to build your entire wardrobe for the year out of free swag.
Chuck and Robbie are no strangers to the conference scene, they’ve attended their fair share back when developers had to find them by word of mouth. Today, there are some aggregators out which apparently have every developer conference type of thing under the sun. Whether you're going with your team or flying solo, you're bound to learn something new and hopefully come away with a few takeaways. And let's not forget the cool locations some conferences are hosted in - definitely a plus.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk about upcoming tech conferences in 2023, the benefits of attending conferences and networking with other engineers, and how to convince leadership to invest in conference trips for their team’s professional development.
Key Takeaways
* [00:37] - A whiskey review: Nashville Barrel Company Straight Rye Whiskey.
* [04:49] - Upcoming tech conferences and why attendance is beneficial.
* [17:08] - Chuck and Robbie announce they will be recording WWW at EmberConf.
* [21:41] - How do you attend a conference without having to pay for it?
* [25:37] - Chuck’s trip to Disney World.
* [40:19] - Better underwear options than MeUndies.
Quotes
[07:15] - “Going to any conference that's in a different area or potentially different subject matter than you’re used to is going to help broaden the way you look at things.” ~ Robbie Wagner
[17:11] - “We have been confirmed that we will be recording a live episode of this podcast at EmberConf.” ~ Robbie Wagner
[25:27] - “It’s important to develop your network, and in subject matters you’re interested in is a great place to do it.” ~ Chuck Carpenter
Links
* Reddit
* Nashville Barrel Company
* Javascript
* Confs.tech
* Dev Events
* Render ATL
* Slack
* Ember
* Discord
* VueConf US
* Nuxt
* EmberConf
* Portlandia
* LinkedIn
* Disney World
* The Villages
* Wes Bos
* ThePrimeagen
* Kinesis 360
* Logitech Lif for Mac
* MeUndies
* Saxx
* My Package
* J. Crew
* Adidas
* Nike
* StockX
* Stadium Goods
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Mar 9, 2023
PNPM, Algorithms, and Angular
It's hard to find a good package manager, and even the most seasoned developers still struggle to figure them out. Robbie kicks off the tech talk by sharing his misadventures trying to figure out pnpm leading Chuck to ask the burning question "Would you wear a pnpm T-shirt?"
Despite Robbie's struggles in pnpm, he still believes it is the better option compared to alternatives like npm, Yarn V1, or Yarn V3. The duo agree that pnpm fixes the biggest problem with traditional package managers like npm and Yarn V1, which is hoisting. The duo dive deep into the technical aspects of package management, discussing the challenges of installing and managing dependencies in a large-scale project, and how pnpm addresses these challenges. They cover topics like global caching, peer dependencies, and the correct way to define dependencies.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk about the pros and cons of pnpm, the downsides of using algorithm tests to vet developers, and the exciting new changes c…
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Mar 2, 2023
Balancing Legacy Code, Content Creation, and Career Growth with The Primeagen
Michael Paulson, aka The Primeagen, is known for his live streams, crazy memes, and unpopular opinions on Twitter. But he is also a software engineer with over a decade of experience in a legacy C++ codebase. Juggling engineering with any other hobby is difficult, so how does he make it work?
The Primeagen, a software engineer at Netflix, is committed to content creation and passionate about encouraging aspiring developers to get out of "tutorial hell" and start building. He wakes up at 5:30 every morning to make time for family, work, and content creation, but even the most dedicated developers hit roadblocks throughout their careers. The Primeagen's latest challenge is figuring out how to grow his channel and turn content creation into a sustainable full-time role.
In this episode, The Primeagen talks to Robbie and Chuck about his strict policies for working in a large legacy code base, the challenges of being a content creator, and his plans to create a new Frontend Master course.…
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Feb 23, 2023
Prioritizing the Team Over the Tool with Jason Lengstorf
Jason Lengstorf built up an audience on YouTube by doing unscripted live coding and sharing his mistakes with his community. He credits his background as a musician and frontman of an emo band for helping him get comfortable with looking foolish in front of people.
As the host of Learn With Jason, he believes there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to choosing a web development tool, as long as the decision is based on the team’s experience and the situation that the tool will enhance. Jason shares his experience and lessons learned at IBM where they allowed teams to use any tool they wanted. This resulted in different parts of the platform being built with different frameworks and the need to standardize.
In this episode, Jason talks to Chuck and Robbie about the importance of choosing the right web development tool for the job, the adoption possibilities for Astro, and what the future holds for open-source developers.
Key Takeaways
* [00:33] - Introduction to Jas…
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Feb 16, 2023
Astro 2.0, Island Architecture, and React with Fred K. Schott
Astro 2.0 is launching new exciting features and it’s setting the bar for HTML frameworks. What makes Astro unique in web development and what are its future possibilities?
Fred K. Schott, CEO of the Astro Technology Company, says it’s all in the framework’s content focus and island architecture. For Fred, the aim is to have a tool that's HTML-first but still sprinkles in interactivity and allows developers to bring in components from other frameworks. They focused on solving the problem of sending a full JavaScript application to power a mostly static site. The attention to developer experience paid off and is one of the reasons Astro is creating waves in the developer community.
In this episode, Fred talks with Chuck and Robbie about how Astro uses an HTML-first approach to create content-focused websites, the latest features of Astro V2, and the trend of blindly using popular frameworks like React.
Key Takeaways
* [00:21] - An introduction to Fred K. Schott.
* [03:…
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Feb 9, 2023
Features of Astro 2.0, Challenge of Material UI, and Cleanse Diets
Astro has once again become a hot topic, capturing the attention of developers and impressing them with its user-friendly features. Astro 2.0 introduced new and improved error overlays that are functional and well-designed, making debugging more efficient for developers.
Astro 2.0 is powered by the fast and efficient Vite 4, which has received high praise in the developer community. Robbie thinks Vite is the future of build tools and based on the State of JS results, many others seem to agree. Chuck shares his struggles with using material UI as a library for Tailwind, which has left him feeling frustrated. But, Robbie thinks using Tailwind UI and Headless UI makes material UI redundant.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about the exciting new features of Astro 2, the pros and cons of using material UI, and their cleanse diets.
Key Takeaways
* [01:42] - A whiskey review: Very Olde St. Nick Ancient Cask 8-Year-Old Rye Whiskey.
* [09:02] - New features in Astro 2.0.
* [1…
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Feb 2, 2023
Tailwind Twitter Wars and the State of JS
The developer community can be highly opinionated. We find our favorite tools and fiercely support them because they help us meet our goals.
Tailwind has been polarizing since it launched in 2017. Some developers swear by it, claiming it makes their code cleaner while others think it’s a waste of time. The State of JS results are in and they reveal that Ember is still lagging behind in retention, interest, usage, and awareness compared to other frameworks. Chuck and Robbie agree that it doesn't really matter what framework you use, as long as you are productive and have a reusable, understandable way of working.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk about the polarizing debates in the developer community surrounding Tailwind CSS on Twitter, the results of the 2023 State of JS survey, and their favorite shows.
Key Takeaways
* [01:33] - A whiskey review - Wolves X Undeated Signature Blend.
* [11:17] - Recent Tailwind wars on Twitter.
* [20:03] - Chuck and Robbie review the…
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Jan 26, 2023
CSS Trig, Cypress, and Software Testing Alternatives
Slow page speeds and bad developer experience are huge pain points. If you can get those two things right, the developer community will likely rally behind you. CSS hit the bullseye when it introduced trigonometry functions to boost performance by avoiding Javascript. But Cypress has been a big letdown in DX.
Before introducing trig functions, CSS was pretty limited and it relied on Javascript to do all the complex styling. Since Javascript takes a significant amount of time to parse, that’s a big hit to your overall page speed. Now, CSS trig functions allow more flexibility to style pages with angles. Even Chuck, who isn’t a fan of CSS, can admit this is a big win for developers. Cypress, on the other hand, has locked some of their features behind a paywall and some developers are not happy about the change. Chuck and Robbie both find the tool too complicated and expensive compared to its alternatives.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk about CSS introducing trigonometry fun…
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Jan 19, 2023
SQL vs NoSQL, Web Technologies, and Holiday Recap
If you’re like Robbie and you haven’t dug into SQL since college, learning the basics of SQL vs NoSQL is a great place to start. Working with data isn’t a part of every developer’s day-to-day, but it can’t hurt to understand the differences.
NoSQL is gaining popularity among engineers because of the ease and flexibility of updating fields with new data. Some engineers prefer taking unstructured data and using a programming language they already know, like Python, to write their queries. SQL is far more structured and requires strict rules for writing queries. As with most things in tech, whether SQL is better than NoSQL depends on your business and use cases.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk about the pros and cons of SQL vs NoSQL, why they like SQL databases like Prisma and Postgres, and their Christmas and New Year festivities.
Key Takeaways
* [00:56] - Chuck and Robbie wrap up the Advent of Whiskey.
* [01:35] - A whiskey Review: Yellowstone Select Kentucky St…
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Jan 12, 2023
The Case for Adopting TypeScript with Josh Goldberg
Many people dream about being their own boss, but there's no clear rulebook that outlines how to get there. While self-employment seems glorious to some, it's not for everyone. How does someone know when they are ready to take the step into the unknown, and how do they know if that choice will suit them?
Josh Goldberg, Open Source Developer and author of Learning TypeScript, built much of his coding career at Microsoft and Codecademy before taking the leap into full-time open source tooling in January 2022. Since then, he has published a book and expanded his networking by speaking at over 30 conferences, but he still has time to discuss coding languages and hiking in Arizona over a glass of whiskey.
In this episode, Josh talks to Chuck and Robbie about Typescript adoption, becoming a full-time open source developer, and the power of expanding your professional network.
Key Takeaways
* [01:48] - An intro to Josh Goldberg.
* [2:28] - A whiskey review - Barrell Armida Bourbon Whisk…
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Jan 5, 2023
Bringing Designers and Developers Together with Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz
Working together in a professional environment is easier said than done, especially when teams have conflicting workflows, priorities, and skill sets. Designers are all too familiar with having their work feel like a second priority to developers. Is there a way that designers and developers can collaborate successfully without sacrificing their individual needs?
Enter Penpot, the first Open Source design and prototyping platform for cross-domain teams. Penpot was developed by Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz, CEO and Co-Founder of Kaleidos, Taiga and Penpot, to bring collaboration between designers and developers to the next level. Penpot inspires designers to become comfortable using open source and allows developers to become excited about the design process.
In this episode, Pablo talks to Chuck and Robbie about how Penpot differs from its primary competitor, Figma, and why designers and developers love their platform.
Key Takeaways
* [00:36] - An intro to Pablo Ruiz-Múzquiz.
* [02:…
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Dec 24, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: Holiday Treats, Final Holiday Trivia, and Quantum Computing
It's the Advent of Whiskey finale, and Chuck and Robbie keep it casual with more holiday treats, trivia, and traditions. But it wouldn't be Whiskey Web and Whatnot without a little tech. Physicists are doing mindbending things with tech and in case you didn't already know it, computers can create wormholes now.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about their favorite holiday treats, holiday trivia, and creating wormholes using quantum computers.
Key Takeaways
* [01:06] - Number 22 Whiskey - Keeper's Heart Irish + America Whiskey.
* [05:49] - Number 23 Whiskey - Compass Box Oak Cross Blended Malt Scotch.
* [09:20] - Number 24 Whiskey - Knappogue Castle 12-Year-Old Bourbon Cask Matured Whisky.
* [15:26] - Chuck and Robbie's favorite holiday treats.
* [18:45] - Holiday Trivia.
* [21:10] - The quantum computer that mimics real-world physics.
Quotes
[12:28] - "There's something special about a 12-year-old single malt whiskey. It's like a premium steak house that ages their w…
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Dec 23, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: Holiday Trivia Continued and Web Developer Tools
Every developer has a tech stack that they swear by. The perfect stack is usually a combination of convenience and productivity.
Robbie released a blog on Ship Shape featuring “Top 5 Web Developer Tools for 2023”. The list features a browser that’s perfect for work and personal use, two terminals, a collaborative clutter-free code editor, and a simplified version of Git. Even if you have old favorites, it can’t hurt to switch them up and test out some of the new tools powering the developer community. They’re usually faster and a lot easier than old-school tools.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie continue to talk about holiday trivia and the top five best web developer tools mentioned in the latest Ship Shape blog post.
Key Takeaways
* [00:54] - Number 20 Whiskey - Starward Nova Single Malt Whisky.
* [04:32] - Number 21 Whiskey - Yellow Rose Distilling Outlaw Bourbon Whiskey.
* [07:17] - Holiday Trivia.
* [11:39] - Top five web developer tools.
Quotes
[19:35]…
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Dec 22, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: More Holiday Trivia and Tech Interviews
Robbie and Chuck think the process is rigged. Memorizing algorithms and solving problems in 30 minutes isn’t good enough to judge someone’s capabilities and decide whether they can be trusted for a job.
Many great developers crack under the pressure of interviews but that doesn’t mean they’re not good at what they do. The interview process is just a formality to verify someone’s identity, it shouldn’t be used to drill developers and set them up for failure. Companies are better off looking at a developer’s open-source and public projects to see what they have to offer.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about Holiday Trivia and the major downside with algorithms in tech interviews.
Key Takeaways
* [00:37] - Number 17 Whiskey: Writer’s Tears Copper Pot Irish Whiskey.
* [06:40] - Number 18 Whiskey: Lawes San Luis Valley Straight Rye.
* [10:44] - Number 19 Whiskey: Kurayoshi Pure Malt Whiskey.
* [13:54] - Holiday Trivia.
* [22:45] - Fixing a broken interv…
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Dec 21, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: Holiday Trivia, Food History, and YAML
Is YAML a programming language? According to Robbie and Chuck, it's not. And even though you could code in YAML and add functions to it, doesn't mean you should. Some things are better left uncomplicated.
YAML is a data structuring format, and that's what it's good at. While some might disagree, Chuck and Robbie believe functions are one of the key elements of programming languages and YAML doesn't have that baked in. If you're looking for functions, it's better to stick to a programming language that has what you need.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about holiday trivia, the history behind Pearl Milling Company's rebrand, and the pros and cons of coding in YAML.
Key Takeaways
* [01:11] - Number 15 Whiskey - Blackened Flagship.
* [04:47] - Number 16 Whiskey - Amrut Indian Single Malt Whiskey.
* [08:27] - The story of the Pearl Milling Company.
* [13:07] - Holiday Trivia.
* [17:40] - Best use case for YAML.
Quotes
[18:45] - "You think of CSV as a data structuring fo…
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Dec 20, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: Framework Predictions, Voting for WWW on State of JS, and Football
It's anyone's guess what the future of front-end frameworks will hold but the developer community on Twitter has its own predictions. Meanwhile, usage numbers for Javascript frameworks are showing that Vue and Next are catching up to React. Is the hype around React plateauing, or is that wishful thinking?
Whether you call them meta frameworks, backend frameworks, or rendering frameworks, they seem to be sparking excitement in the Javascript community. Remix, Vercel, Next JS, and Nuxt are the ones to watch. But out of all the front-end frameworks, Robbie believes Svelte will come out on top because it has the best balance of vanilla Javascript with added features.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about frameworks steering the future of front-end development, what's happening in the 2022 Qatar World Cup, and the structure of college football.
Key Takeaways
* [01:25] - Number 13 Whiskey: Noble Oak - Double Oak Rye Whiskey.
* [04:26] - Number 14 Whiskey: Akashi Japanese Blen…
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Dec 19, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: Testing the Hype of ChatGPT, GitLab, and Holiday Trivia
Popularity doesn’t equal quality. We’ve seen it with React and the latest technology to fall victim to this is OpenAI’s chatbot, ChatGPT.
ChatGPT is trending on Twitter and is talked about as one of the great innovations of this era. But when Chuck and Robbie put it to the test to recommend podcast topics, it doesn’t present the most imaginative ideas. Despite the hype, the tech is not all-knowing – it is only as smart as the people who make it. On the other hand, GitLab has the opposite problem. The platform has all the components for success, but it still isn’t heavily adopted in the open-source community.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about their experience using ChatGPT to generate topics for the podcast, what’s holding back GitLab in the open-source community, and their favorite holiday trivia.
Key Takeaways
* [00:37] - Number 11 Whiskey: Walsh Whiskey - The Irishman Single Malt.
* [02:58] - Number 12 Whiskey: Balcones - Linage Texas Single Malt Whis…
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Dec 18, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: More on State of JS, TV Shows, and Holiday Traditions
Every developer has their limits and Chuck and Robbie share their points of view. Shadow DOM and Custom Elements are the last browser APIs they know in the State of JS survey.
In the spirit of the holiday, they’re breaking out the Christmas movies, decorating gingerbread houses, and visiting Santa villages to spend quality time with family.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about their final thoughts on browser APIs from the State of JS survey questions, their favorite holiday TV shows, and family holiday traditions.
Key Takeaways
* [00:45] - Number 9 Whiskey: Kurayoshi Malt Whisky.
* [05:00] - Numer 10 Whiskey: Brenekridge Bourbon Whiskey, A Blend.
* [09:08] - Browser APIs mentioned in the State of JS.
* [11:44] - TV shows to enjoy during the holidays.
* [16:30] - Chuck gives an update on the World Cup and the state of soccer.
* [20:05] - Movies to watch during the holidays.
* [23:44] - Chuck and Robbie’s holiday traditions.
Quotes
[19:34] - “The Wor…
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Dec 17, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: State of JS, ChatGPT, and Browser APIs
The State of JS is one of the best ways to get your voice heard and learn about the Javascript ecosystem. The React developers are likely in the majority of survey respondents but every developer within the Javascript community should consider taking it to get an accurate representation.
One of the topics covered in the State of JS survey is browser APIs like WebGL, Web Animations, and Service Workers. Chuck and Robbie test their knowledge to see how much they know about them and Robbie recounts his terrible experience with service workers in Ember.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about the importance of the State of JS survey, the features of different browser APIs, and the viral ChatGPT chatbot from OpenAI.
Key Takeaways
* [00:41] - Number Six Whiskey: Mars Shinshu Iwai 45% Japanese Blended Whisky.
* [06:12] - Numer Seven Whiskey: J. Rieger & Co. Blended 46%.
* [10:35] - Number Eight Whiskey: Two Stacks The Blenders Cut Cask Strength
* [17:00] - The features of…
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Dec 16, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: State of JS and Microsoft's Legacy
The Javascript landscape is ever-changing. We can always rely on the State of JS survey to keep up with the latest trends and changes in the space. According to Robbie, Microsoft seems to be at the forefront of that change.
Microsoft holds the lion’s share of platforms and products in Javascript development including VS Code and GitHub. It’s hard not to rely on Microsoft as a developer. It’s also hard to find someone who doesn’t love the Xbox. But even though they’ve come a long way and given us great inventions, there’s still plenty of room to improve. Especially where developer experience and enterprise products are concerned.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about results from the State of JS survey, and Microsoft’s legacy of successful gaming versus failed enterprise products.
Key Takeaways
* [00:41] - Flaviar's "Depths of Whiskey" Advent Calendar App.
* [03:23] - Number Three Whiskey - Chapter 7 Whiskey: Prologue Blended Scotch Malt.
* [05:37] - Numbe…
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Dec 15, 2022
Advent of Whiskey: Coding Advent Calendars and the Strangest AI Projects
It's the season of advent calendars, and coding platforms are launching challenges left and right. If you are waiting for a sign to try a new language or framework, advent calendars are a great place to start.
The Advent of Whiskey series will be 10 episodes leading up to Christmas.
Chuck and Robbie are following Flaviar's Whiskey Advent Calendar 2022, trying two new whiskeys per episode and talking about the latest in tech. Robbie might be gearing up to try the CSS advent calendar challenge but don't expect Chuck to try CSS any time soon.
In this festive episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about learning new skills with a coding advent calendar, AI's strangest or most exciting use cases, and the Advent of Whiskey series following the Flaviar Whiskey Advent Calendar 2022.
Key Takeaways
* [00:08] - An introduction to Flaviar's "Depths of Whiskey" Advent Calendar.
* [02:07] - Number One Whiskey: Fistful of Bourbon.
* [07:32] - Number Two Whiskey: Ron Colon Salvadoreno 100 Pro…
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Dec 8, 2022
Supabase, Logflare, and Offroading with Chase Granberry
Chase Granberry can be called a serial entrepreneur. He bootstrapped his first software company before selling it and starting the centralized logging service, Logflare.
Chase sold the company to Supabase and joined the team as an acquired hire to support the team with a centralized logging solution and plotting insights for customers. Chase explains where Supabase is really different from Firebase and some of the benefits you can get from its flexibility combined with real-time data.
In this episode, Chase talks to Chuck and Robbie about joining Supabase after the Logflare acquisition, what makes Supabase different from Firebase, and offroading old cars.
Key Takeaways
* [00:26] - An introduction to Chase Granberry.
* [03:14] - A whiskey review - Togouchi 3-Year Blended Japanese Whiskey.
* [14:40] - How Supabase got its name.
* [15:45] - The biggest difference between Supabase and Firebase.
* [17:19] - How Chase feels about writing PHP.
* [18:16] - Aspects of Supabase…
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Dec 1, 2022
Javascript Games, WTF JS, and a Visit to Phoenix
It’s not a normal day at the office. Robbie and his family are in Phoenix and the Whiskey Web and Whatnot hosts got together to play a losing game of golf and sip margaritas followed by whiskey.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie guess whether things are Javascript packages or grocery items in a game called “Is it a JS package?”, test their knowledge of tricky Javascript syntax from WTF JS, and talk about Robbie’s experience visiting Chuck in Phoenix.
Key Takeaways
* [00:57] - A whiskey review - Joseph Magnus Bourbon.
* [04:20] - Chuck and Robbie play a game called “Is it a JS package?”
* [17:37] - Chuck and Robbie play WTF JS.
* [23:58] - Chuck and Robbie what not about their golf game and Arizona.
Quotes
[19:57] - “There is a site called JSFuck, and it basically shows you a bunch of examples of how to program things out using three characters.” ~ Chuck Carpenter
[20:24] - “Not many programmers know about labels in Java Script. They are kind of interesti…
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Nov 24, 2022
Debating React, Fonts, and Fatherhood with Josh Collinsworth
React isn’t good at anything, except being popular. That’s a bold statement, but it’s one that Josh Collinsworth stands by. It seems like nearly every major tech company has React in their stack. But why is a framework built specifically for Facebook so popular in the general developer community?
Josh Collinsworth, Senior Front End Developer at Shopify, wrote an article titled “The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy of React”. Even though Shopify uses React, Josh didn’t hold back his views on the framework. When React came about, it solved a major problem for Facebook. Since then, it’s been viewed as a solution to every problem and the tech community has been stuck in a loop of teaching React and hiring React developers. But for Josh, React isn’t a solution, it’s just a tool, and it’s not the best out there.
In this episode, Josh talks to Chuck and Robbie about his viral article critiquing React’s popularity, his favorite fonts, and what it’s like juggling fatherhood w…
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Nov 17, 2022
Framework Debates, Tech Layoffs, and Starlink
The tech layoff saga continues. The latest company in the hot seat is Twitter. After Elon Musk took control of the company, the platform has been in disarray, leaving developers out of jobs and Twitter users confused about the future of the platform. Is the tech world on fire?
Whether it’s social media, browser wars, or framework debates – the tech community seems to be in disagreement or in crisis. Tech companies were aggressively hiring developers before the economic downturn. Now, these same companies are ruthlessly laying off around 15-20% of their employees. In many cases, shareholder interests are being placed above the people on the ground building the company. Where Elon Musk is concerned, it’s hard to tell his true intentions.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about the slew of tech debates happening on Twitter, the fallout from Elon Musk’s Twitter takeover, and Robbie’s experience with Starlink.
Key Takeaways
* [02:13] - A whiskey review - Barrell Seagr…
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Nov 10, 2022
A11y Hour with Amber Hinds
WordPress powers over 43% of sites on the internet today, making it a powerhouse web technology. Its simplicity attracted bloggers and do-it-yourselfers who navigate the platform by Googling code snippets. That knowledge gap comes with a whole host of accessibility issues.
Amber Hinds, Founder and CEO at Equalize Digital, quit her part-time gig as a freelance developer when she found WordPress was an easier way to manage content. She’s been doing accessibility work on the platform since 2016 and has seen a boom in the past two years of companies searching for accessibility experts. Amber built the Accessibility Checker plugin as a guardrail to help DIYers avoid common mistakes by auditing a site and flagging accessibility issues. The plugin is also an education tool for content managers, and developers to learn about accessibility.
In this episode, Amber talks to Chuck and Robbie about web accessibility on WordPress, making accessibility a priority in colleges and boot camps, and R…
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Nov 3, 2022
Funding Open Source Projects, Leaving Homebrew, and Launching Tea with Max Howell
Working on open source projects is a largely thankless job and a labor of love. The developers behind these projects often juggle full-time jobs to pay their bills while maintaining the software that keeps so much of the internet afloat.
Max Howell, CEO of tea.inc., pivoted from chemistry to web development because of his fascination for open source. He worked full-time and did pull requests for Homebrew during his free time. After hustling to build a package manager used by engineers working for corporate giants like Google and Microsoft, he reached an inevitable burnout. Max created tea.inc. to fairly compensate open source developers for the work they do with the hope that open source work will be lucrative and sustainable full-time. The project has raised 18 million so far and it's set to launch in early November.
In this episode, Max talks to Chuck and Robbie about the burnout of working on underfunded open source projects, why he left Homebrew despite its success, and launching…
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Oct 27, 2022
Multi-Page Apps, Prefetch vs Preload, and Web Nostalgia
While multi-page apps (MPAs) seem like a new fixation for the developer community, they're pretty ancient news. If you were browsing the web in the 90s, you were likely visiting a multi-page app. Lucky for us, web tech improved, and made the entire experience of multi-page apps more appealing.
One of the cons of MPAs is that they don't have preload and prefetch out of the box. Single-page apps (SPAs) on the other hand give you the power to decide how your site loads by loading all the resources for your current page and fetching resources for a page you might navigate to after. This might seem small but it makes a huge impact on your site.
The good news is, more computing power gave way to better server-rendered technology, a huge win for multi-page apps. Unlike single-page apps (SPAs), multi-page apps parse very little JavaScript. That shaves seconds off your initial load which is no small feat.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie discuss the pros and cons of multi-page apps, th…
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Oct 20, 2022
Tailwind CSS, Headless UI, and Powerlifting with Adam Wathan
Maintaining a CSS codebase can become chaotic pretty quickly and building a new stylesheet for every project can get tedious. Frameworks like Tailwind CSS were born to solve this problem.
Adam Wathan, CEO of Tailwind Labs, built a “library-style CSS” for personal use and had no idea the concept would resonate with as many people as it did. When developers started asking him to share his library for them to use in their own projects, he got to work building out the framework. Two years after Tailwind CSS’s launch, Adam released Headless UI to bring unstyled compatible UI components into the fold. Since then, it’s sparked polarizing discourse between developers who either love it or hate it.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk to Adam about what motivated him to create Tailwind CSS, how Headless UI was born, why Tailwind is creating polarizing discourse among developers, and his powerlifting past.
Key Takeaways
* [00:35] - An introduction to Adam Wathan.
* [01:55] -…
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Oct 13, 2022
Native Apps, Progressive Web Apps, and Media Monopolies
There's a lot to consider before committing to a framework to build a native app. If you choose to build in native, ask yourself whether you're prepared to handle the downsides that come with it.
To start, you're limited to one framework and writing in one programming language. If you're not familiar with the syntax, that could pose a major learning curve. With native apps, it's tempting to have a separate app for every device that a user might run your app on, but on the operations front, that's a slippery slope with high overhead costs. If you're on a tight budget or working on small teams like Chuck and Robbie, the cost of paying developers to maintain a bunch of apps isn't appealing. There's no shame in knowing your resource limitations and taking the easy route.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about the trade-off between building native apps in Swift, Objective-C, React Native, and other web technologies, why they enjoy progressive web apps, and Disney's monopoly i…
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Oct 6, 2022
SolidJS: The Framework Creating a Buzz with Dan Jutan
Every once in a while a new framework rises to popularity and gets the developer community buzzing. One of the frameworks with the most momentum right now is SolidJS. But what makes Solid so special?
Dan Jutan, Product Manager at Astro, Inc. and SolidJS core team member believes the frameworks that prioritize developer experience will always come out on top. Before he landed at Solid, Dan started his career using Vue 3. It didn't take long before he was overwhelmed by the API surface and was searching for a framework that aligned with his values as a developer. Solid has a reputation as one of the fastest frameworks and also combines features from frameworks like React and Vue without any of the issues that bog them down.
In this episode, Dan talks to Chuck and Robbie about his journey exploring different frameworks early in his career, why the developer community loves SolidJS, and the connection between being a programmer and a musician.
Key Takeaways
* [00:59] - An intro to Dan…
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Sep 29, 2022
Embracing New Tech, JavaScript, and the W3WC NFT Launch
The beauty of tech is that it keeps evolving. As a developer, it’s important to keep evolving too. Whether that’s trying new frameworks, starting side projects, or adopting emerging tech.
JavaScript, for example, has taken on a whole new purpose since it was developed in the 90s to support a web browser. The language keeps developers like Robbie intrigued with features that seem underpromoted and underused by the community. At ShipShape, Chuck and Robbie are always experimenting. They’re embracing Astro with plans to transition their website from Nuxt, developing a scheduling app, and most importantly they just launched the Whiskey Web and Whatnot NFT.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about underrated JavaScript features, where to find the Whiskey Web and Whatnot NFT, and why Robbie can’t decide on a new car.
Key Takeaways
* [01:22] - Chuck and Robbie introduce their NFT.
* [04:11] - A whiskey review - Starlight Distillery Single Barrel Hubbard's Original Rick Hou…
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Sep 22, 2022
Balancing Engineering Management, Side Hustles, and Porsches with Kelly Vaughn
We all have at least one friend who somehow finds enough hours in a day to have a full-time job and take on several side projects. How can you successfully juggle a career, side hustles, and make time for your passions?
Kelly Vaughn, Engineering Manager at Spot AI, has some thoughts. She is leading a diverse, fully remote, global team that spans from California to India. Kelly keeps her management style flexible to account for the quirks and personality types of her team. When she’s not steering the ship at Spot AI, she’s advising several startups and working as a consultant. Despite doing it all, she finds time for reading, cycling, and her passion for Porsches.
In this episode, Kelly talks to Chuck and Robbie about her experience leading diverse global engineering teams from agencies to SaaS companies, juggling several side hustles, and collecting Porsches.
Key Takeaways
* [01:22] - An intro to Kelly Vaughn.
* [02:16] - A whiskey review - Barrell Craft Spirits Grey Lab…
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Sep 15, 2022
A11y Hour with Crystal Preston-Watson
Accessibility is like learning a new language, leaving many developers wondering where to start. The answer is pretty simple, start anywhere. But the onus isn’t all on devs.
Crystal Preston-Watson has partial sight and uses a screen reader in her day-to-day as a Senior Digital Accessibility Analyst at Salesforce, one of the largest tech companies in the world. As strange as it may seem, she never used a screen reader until she was asked to test one out in her previous role as a quality engineer. Once she got her hands on one, she saw just how much businesses excluded people with disabilities from their target audience.
Crystal knows first-hand how quickly the expenses rack up when the burden of accessibility is placed on people with disabilities. In her talks, she addresses this and other lessons on accessibility with a bit of humor to make the conversation more approachable and beginner-friendly.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk with Crystal about pitching accessibility to…
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Sep 8, 2022
The Release of Nuxt 3 with Daniel Roe
The best way to win over a developer is to make their job simpler. The release of Nuxt 3 promises an even better developer experience than its former versions. That’s music to every developer’s ears. Who doesn’t want faster rendering?
Daniel Roe, framework architect at Nuxt Labs has been working to get Nuxt 3 production ready for a stable release. In addition to DX improvements, once N3 is out of release, you can expect hybrid rendering, less JavaScript, and a cross-platform framework that can be used with pretty much any cloud service.
This Nuxt release is casting a wide net. Daniel and the team wanted the framework to be suited for everyone from hobby bloggers to enterprises. But the biggest win might be for e-commerce sites that need speed, performance, and personalization.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk to Daniel about the features of Nuxt 3, improving the developer experience, and his family vacation to Algarve, Portugal.
Key Takeaways
* [00:38] - An intro…
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Sep 1, 2022
HTML Accessibility, Package Managers, and the Whiskey Web and Whatnot NFT
Devs have a lot on their plate, but the key is to find time for what’s important. Championing accessibility is only possible if devs prioritize it and a good place to start is by knowing your HTML elements. If dogs can learn 50 human words, then devs can learn 50 HTML elements.
On another note, not all package managers are made equal. Robbie has been loyal to Yarn for years and is okay with waiting a few minutes for installs. But from Chuck’s operations perspective, when you’re talking about continuous integration that can eat up a huge chunk of your day, it might be time to look for something that promises speed.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk about the importance of knowing your HTML elements, the pros and cons of different package managers, and the Whiskey Web and Whatnot NFT drop.
Key Takeaways
* [02:09] - Why Chuck and Robbie struggle to find time for reading.
* [04:43] - A whiskey review - Huling Station.
* [12:27] - How many HTML elements can Chuck and Ro…
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Aug 25, 2022
Tech Rants, Supporting Open Source, and Great TV Shows
Building products is hard. And devs can often feel hamstrung by competing priorities. The battle between revenue and quality is ever-present and ongoing. But is it possible to achieve both?
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie discuss some of their frustrations with the tech companies and tech stacks in the modern era, supporting open source projects, and some great TV shows they have been enjoying.
Key Takeaways
* [01:27] - A whiskey review - Barrell Dovetail Whiskey.
* [08:00] - Why tech companies are reluctant to upgrade dependencies.
* [18:08] - The importance of supporting open source projects.
* [30:45] - Why React dominates the landscape.
* [43:13] - Chuck and Robbie discuss TV shows.
* [49:36] - Chuck’s weekend plans with family.
* [54:29] - Chuck’s Korean fried chicken experience.
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[10:48] - “I feel like we've done all of this stuff to be like, let's get everyone Scrum certified, and let's do this whole process. And people really bought into that…
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Aug 18, 2022
Web Frameworks, the Launch of Astro 1.0, and National Parks with Nate Moore
Introducing a new framework can be challenging, especially when developers are loyal to old favorites. But Astro 1.0 is bridging the gap between old and new by staying compatible and familiar with other frameworks.
Nate Moore, an engineer at Astro Technology Company and core maintainer on Astro has been working on Astro 1.0 for 16 months. His major focus was launching a new web framework that is sustainable and future-proof. Astro 1.0 is targeted at devs building content-based websites and is compatible with most frameworks out there.
In this episode, Nate talks with Robbie and Chuck about the launch of Astro 1.0, its compatibility with other frameworks, frameworks that inspired Astro, and Nate’s life goal of visiting every national park.
Key Takeaways
* [00:49] - A quick intro to Nate.
* [01:36] - A whisky review - Laws Centennial Straight Wheat Whiskey 4 Year.
* [09:59] - What is Astro?
* [23:24] - What are the new features in Astro 1.0?
* [30:32] - Web components Nat…
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Aug 11, 2022
A11y Hour with Mark Steadman
Like many developers, Mark Steadman began working in web development with just a couple of goals in mind: write something that runs and passes a test. No major thought for those using the interface he created.
Mark’s perspective changed when he sat with a few folks who were blind or had low vision, and watched as they used assistive technology for the web and attempted to navigate a site he’d developed. Their struggle to tackle basic web functions against inaccessible code was Mark’s wake-up moment and his inspiration to close the gap between emerging developers and accessibility education.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk with Mark about his passion for accessibility, where most web accessibility issues originate, practical tips for incorporating accessibility into developer workflow, and why accessibility means more than checking a box, meeting quota, and passing a test.
Key Takeaways
* [00:44] - A quick intro to Mark.
* [02:52] - A whiskey review - Angel's…
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Aug 4, 2022
Conventional Commits vs. Release-It and Chatting About the Changelog
There are two types of engineers. The “normal” ones who strive to make their day-to-day lives as easy as possible and the Robbie’s of the world who strive to do everything themselves until the last line of code is sealed in a changelog.
On that note, do you prefer conventional commits? Or the tools out there that make organization easier and, sometimes, automated? Chuck and Robbie don’t see eye-to-eye on this particular topic so prepare yourself for the mildest smackdown of the century.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie discuss the pros and cons of release-it, the beauty of working system-agnostic, why Robbie prefers the changelog, and an attempt to stay abreast of frameworks like fresh coming into focus.
Key Takeaways
* [00:33] - A whiskey review - Howler Head Banana Whiskey.
* [09:12] - A mild smackdown on conventional commits versus release-it.
* [15:23] - Why Chuck and Robbie prefer the changelog.
* [20:35] - What is fresh? And Robbie leaks some internal…
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Jul 28, 2022
Emerging Tech, a Resource Renaissance, and Embracing Ember with Preston Sego
A few years into Preston Sego’s coding career, a colleague working on increasing interactivity on the company’s interface chose Ember for the endeavor. Years later, when Preston began developing his own project, he took his colleague’s advice and began testing the waters with Ember as well.
In 2019, Preston noticed interesting work brewing within Ember. Realizing Ember was adaptable to modern tools, Preston decided to dive back in and start building out a chat app to test the framework. That same year, Preston spoke at EmberConf and eventually landed a job at CrowdStrike where the framework of choice was Ember.
In this episode, Preston talks with Chuck and Robbie about comparing Ember to React without angering either side, why he values Ember resources and has worked to create various libraries, what emerging tech Preston’s thrilled to be working on, and what tech Preston’s violently against.
Key Takeaways
* [01:13] - The origin of Preston’s alias.
* [03:13] -…
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Jul 21, 2022
A11y Hour with Eric Bailey
In recent years, accessibility has evolved from a way to avoid legal landmines, to a specialization developers are taking a serious approach to for the sake of their companies, apps, and users. Eric Bailey has been at the forefront of this maturation, working as both an advocate and educator in the accessibility and inclusive design space.
A user experience designer by trade, Eric developed a passion for accessibility that led him to The A11Y Project – an open source, one-stop shop for digital accessibility education. Eric helps maintain the hub while writing and speaking about the intersectionality of code, usability, and disability.
In this episode, Eric talks with Chuck and Robbie about the challenges of improving digital inclusivity, how to work through inclusive design on a budget, what bothers Eric about developers who are afraid to take the accessibility leap, where platforms fall short, and the tools that make implementing accessibility easier.
Key Takeaways
* [00…
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Jul 14, 2022
Developing Orbit and the Future of Cross Framework Solutions with Dan Gebhardt
Years ago, Dan Gebhardt was mapping out data needs for an app he was building. In a struggle to make sense of every requirement and apply them to other packages like Ember Data, he hit a wall. At this point, there was no option for adapting Ember Data to the complex specificities of his app’s needs.
Dan tried to rationalize a solution, deconstructing entire data universes and all aspects of a data library. The end result was Orbit, a framework-agnostic data layer with use cases beyond the obvious. Since its inception, many developers have leaned on Orbit, including those at Ship Shape.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk with Dan about Orbit’s origin story, the best (and least obvious) ways to use Orbit, why Dan chose platform-agnostic, what he really thinks about Starbeam, his ultimate goal with Orbit, and Dan’s all-time favorite power tool.
Key Takeaways
* [00:45] - A brief intro to Dan.
* [03:02] - A whiskey review - Nikka Single Malt Miyagikyo.
* [11:04…
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Jul 7, 2022
Matt Johnson: When Web3 Is Worth It and Learning to Lead
In high school, Matt Johnson followed in the footsteps of his older brother, pursuing similar hobbies like sports and music. After joining a band, Matt realized they needed a website. Mirroring his brother, Matt learned to code, built a website, and changed his college major.
Following graduation, Matt dove into business ownership, buying out the company he interned for with a business partner. That once small operation has grown to a team of over 100 and as of July 1st, Matt will be Midwestern Interactive’s sole owner. Like Chuck and Robbie, Matt made the switch from programmer to business owner and is committed to his role as a people and business leader.
In this episode, Matt talks with Chuck and Robbie about learning to love coding, Matt’s philosophy on tech and business, what’s valuable and what’s fluff with Web3, and why Matt took up golf after putting coding on the backburner.
Key Takeaways
* [00:29] - A brief introduction to Matt.
* [01:24] - A whiskey revi…
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Jun 30, 2022
Polaris, Starbeam, and the Future of Ember with Godfrey Chan
In 2022, the future of Ember is taking shape thanks to developers like Godfrey Chan. Alongside Yehuda Katz and other engineers, Godfrey's working on a new edition of Polaris. The project has three main goals: to align Ember with the modern npm packaging system, continue to invest and innovate in reactivity, and encourage universal design principles.
Like many developers, Godfrey came to Ember from Rails. Months after chatting with Yehuda and Tom Dale at EmberConf, Godfrey was hired at Tilde and thrown into the Ember deep end. Today, Godfrey's focused on big picture developments, tackling lofty goals like developing an Ember model to navigate JavaScript classes.
In this episode, Godfrey talks with Chuck and Robbie about what's to come for Polaris, solving major developer headaches, Godfrey's philosophy on frameworks, top use cases for solutions like Starbeam, and why these innovations are necessary in 2022.
Key Takeaways
* [00:29] - A quick intro to Godfrey.
* [01:49] - A whi…
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Jun 23, 2022
Reacting to React, WWDC22, and Bun.sh
Robbie has spent years trying to improve his experience in the terminal. Fortunately, he’s learned a few things about customization along the way. Meanwhile, Chuck and Robbie have thoughts about Apple’s new products, the purpose of React, plus Fig, Hyper, Warp, and everything in between.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie discuss everything you probably don’t know about terminals, why Robbie’s eyeing Redwood, what Chuck and Robbie actually paid attention to from WWDC22, why developers are so excited about Bun, and why Chuck’s trip to Italy was semi-catastrophic.
Key Takeaways
* [00:48] - A whiskey review.
* [09:07] - Robbie’s terminal tips and tricks.
* [15:38] - Why looking cool matters the most.
* [22:28] - A few interesting things from WWDC.
* [28:55] - Chuck and Robbie react to React.
* [34:00] - A whatnot about Chuck’s semi-catastrophic trip to Italy.
* [49:11] - An update on the Ship Shape NFT.
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[15:23] - “Bash hasn’t innovate…
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Jun 16, 2022
A Battle of Two Worlds and Mentorship Above Milestones with Cory Brown
It's not often that a blog post sets the internet on fire. But a recent post by Cory Brown about async/await led to an uproar and even messages of pity from Hacker News. Who knew a simple post about pattern preferences would cause such controversy?
Today, Cory's here to explain his side of the story for those happily using async/await in various concurrency patterns. Luckily, Cory believes, to each their own, and even welcomes responses from developers like Eric Elliott and Robbie as important food for thought. So which universe do you prefer? Object-oriented or functional?
In this episode, Cory talks with Chuck and Robbie about why he prefers promise to async/await, his response to Robbie's weekly rant on classes, what really makes an engineer "senior", how every tech team should operate, and why Cory recently chose to learn Scottish Gaelic.
Key Takeaways
* [00:40] - A brief introduction to Cory.
* [01:19] - A whiskey review.
* [08:39] - Cory's controversial opinion on async/…
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Jun 9, 2022
A Framework for Ember TypeScript with James C. Davis
In 2017, James C. Davis moved to Charlottesville, Virginia to work at a non-profit tech company that used Ember in their original Saas platform. While James had dabbled in Ember previously, an ask to reimplement the front-end in Ember, this time using TypeScript, proved challenging.
At the time, a few engineers were using TypeScript in Ember, but the open source framework James worked on became the de-facto reference point for projects in Ember types. And the unofficial group of engineers collaborating on the project has become the official Ember TypeScript Core Team.
Today, James works at e-commerce company Salsify with a front-end all in Ember TypeScript. Although setting the standard for using TypeScript in Ember, James believes there's a time and a place for types. Plus, he may have a solution for Robbie's monorepo grievances.
In this episode, James talks with Chuck and Robbie about his struggles and triumphs perfecting Ember TypeScript, his real thoughts on monorepos and fu…
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Jun 2, 2022
Mystery Maker's Monday, Testing, and GraphQL
They say if it's not broken, don't fix it. So why are we running tests on tests on tests that aren't business-critical? There's an art to testing beyond just striving to get 100% coverage. In fact, over-testing can actually hamper your progress more than help it. Meanwhile, Chuck's wondering why it's not possible to have a union of enums in GraphQL.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie discuss some tech frustrations, lessons for the React community, why Ship Shape implemented spam traps, and a whatnot on all things alcohol, sports, Friends, and Robbie's (seemingly endless) truck saga.
Key Takeaways
* [01:50] - A lengthy whiskey review.
* [22:53] - Why getting carried away with tests becomes your downfall.
* [34:50] - Why Chuck thinks these tests in the React community are useless.
* [38:16] - Chuck's GraphQL confusion.
* [40:49] - A browser bug Chuck noticed.
* [44:09] - Robbie's non-sponsored plug.
* [44:50] - A sports-themed whatnot and an update on Robbie's truck…
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May 26, 2022
Leading From the Top, Creating a Community, and Balancing It All with Tracy Lee
Great things come in unexpected places. For Tracy Lee, an ex-boyfriend's T-shirt sporting the Ember Tomster is what tipped her off to software development. Following curiosity and a three-week bootcamp, Tracy was hooked and ready to take on a career in coding.
Today, Tracy is the CEO of This Dot Labs. She leads a team of 50 developers with a focus on reactive programming, web performance, and developer experience. Her clients and colleagues have become her closest friends and she's always looking to help fellow developers expand their careers. When she's not running an agency, Tracy is part of the RX Core Team (one of her many professional memberships), posting tech content to social media, and raising a new baby boy. So how does she manage it all?
In this episode, Tracy talks with Chuck and Robbie about wearing every hat under the sun and wearing them well, why she loves RxJS, having hard conversations with over-eager developers, what's so often ignored by non-technical CEOs, and…
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May 19, 2022
Bringing Types to Ember with Chris Krycho
In early 2017, Chris Krycho was working at one of the few startups using Ember, searching for a way to bring types to the emerging language. His primary goal became solving semantic versioning for TS. As Chris kept iterating, striving to combine multiple programming worlds, other engineers joined him in the pursuit until eventually, the Ember TypeScript Core team was born.
Today, Chris is a lead engineer at LinkedIn, a father, husband, runner, music composer, and whiskey enthusiast. His current goal is to ensure Ember Polaris has first-class TypeScript support. Aside from offering new dad advice to Robbie, Chris also describes what can become a superpower for new developers willing to work.
In this episode, Chris talks with Chuck and Robbie about best-case uses for TypeScript, a defense of complicated library code, Chris' ultimate goal with software engineering, and his advice for programmers on the rise.
Key Takeaways
* [01:10] - A brief intro to Chris.
* [02:26] - A whisk…
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May 12, 2022
Are Monorepos and NFTs Worth It?
Do you use monorepos? Do you love NFTs named after dogs? Chuck and Robbie have mixed feelings on both monorepus and Shiba Inu tokens and they're probably not the only ones conflicted. Developer tools and the metaverse are complex topics that don't always yield solidly positive or negative results.
The beauty of our ever-evolving digital space is the ability to continually iterate and learn from what's not working. Having said that, just because something is new (and trending on Twitter) doesn't mean it's the best tool for the job, nor that it should be used for anything besides its original purpose. Between monorepos and digital coins, sometimes the hype outweighs the benefit.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie discuss their thoughts on monorepos, the downside to trending languages and developer tools, why the metaverse should be approached with caution, plus a whatnot covering everything under the sun.
Key Takeaways
* [01:22] - A brief whatnot on SNOOs and Robbie's status as…
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Apr 21, 2022
Getting Lost in Git and Goodbye tsc
It’s been a while since Chuck and Robbie dove headfirst into trending tech topics without a guest to bounce their ideas off of. Today, they discuss the latest in TypeScript and Git, the evolution of JavaScript over the years, developer pet peeves, and what success means on a team, on the web, and on the field.
Key Takeaways
* [01:09] - A whiskey review.
* [10:14] - What Chuck and Robbie think about introducing TypeScript to JavaScript natively.
* [17:10] - A rant on everything except Git.
* [23:60] - Why Robbie’s been having problems with Git.
* [33:09] - What’s new from ES2022.
* [34:44} - A football, capitalism, and bad vegan-themed whatnot.
Quotes
[13:40] - “I think [tsc going away] definitely moves JavaScript forward as this thing you can use more than just for the web. And we’ve been doing it for things other than the web forever, but I guess to the people that are outside the JavaScript community they look at it as this thing that’s mostly web,…
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Apr 14, 2022
Developing as a Developer, Appreciating Workers, and Navigating Framework Wars with Chris Garrett
When someone hands you an opportunity to specialize, to do something crazy with people you like, to learn from people building something before your eyes, it's difficult to pass up. An opportunity like that prompted Chris to leave LinkedIn for Bitski, a digital wallet for buying, selling, and storing NFTs.
Leaving what's safe and secure for what's largely unknown is definitely a risk, but Chris is a risk-taker. Despite loving Rust, Chris wanted to move away from JavaScript in the years ahead and expand his developer horizons. Plus, he's learned from experience that becoming emotionally attached to whatever you're using is a dangerous game.
In this episode, Chris talks with Chuck and Robbie about a lack of resources and corporate greed in open source, the framework eras we've lived through and what's to come, why workers are incredible, choosing a career path, and how to keep developing as a developer.
Key Takeaways
* [00:23] - Introducing Chris and his recent good news.
* [03…
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Apr 7, 2022
Prioritizing Performance and the Future of the Terminal with Zach Lloyd
The terminal is a constant in the dev world. Every developer will interact with the terminal in one way or another. So what if they worked better? Tools within the Google Suite inspired Warp Founder Zach Lloyd to bring that same ease of collaboration to the world of terminals. And so, Warp was born.
Because you can't avoid terminals, the implications of improving such a widely-used tool are what kept Zach going and building momentum with Warp. Zach believes in tools that solve problems vs shiny new tools winning the popularity contest. And that keeps him iterating on Warp, with the ultimate goal of improving developer workflow.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk with Zach about elevating developer productivity, why Zach chose Rust, how Zach classifies the best engineers, a sneak peek at Warp's new features, and how he hopes Warp will revolutionize the developer experience.
Key Takeaways
* [00:50] - An introduction to Zach.
* [01:57] - A whiskey tasting.
* [09:36] - A…
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Mar 31, 2022
Setting Standards, Community Lifelines, and the Beauty of Open Source with Jen Weber
As developers, advancing in our careers can feel like the wild west. No guardrails, no handbook, and no standard path to success, everyone has a unique story when it comes to their coding career.
Far from a developer since childhood, Jen's no stranger to the unconventional path. Her Ember education grew within an accelerator while the bulk of her skillset expanded working in open source. While not an ideal path for everyone, the small startup environment and ability to learn from others in the Ember community was integral to Jen's growth.
But what if there was a way to standardize? And what should come first, a standardization of skillset or ethics? At a time when tech is advancing faster than ever and Artificial Intelligence has entered the chat, Jen Weber would argue that a need for some ethical benchmarks is the more urgent ticket.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk with Jen about the imperfect path to developer success, how to standardize an ever-evolving industry, the s…
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Mar 29, 2022
Introducing: Whiskey, Web, and Whatnot!
Whiskey, Web, and Whatnot is a weekly podcast from Robbie Wagner and Chuck Carpenter, the founders of Ship Shape (https://shipshape.io).
Listen each week for wide-ranging conversations with developers from across the web. Each episode includes sampling a whiskey, followed by a chat about tech things, and slowly devolves into various whatnot. Unlike some other technical podcasts, our format allows you to see another, more human side of the devs you follow and admire.
You can subscribe now wherever you listen to podcasts, and learn more at https://www.whiskeywebandwhatnot.fm [https://www.whiskeywebandwhatnot.fm/].
Connect with our hosts
* Robbie Wagner [https://twitter.com/rwwagner90]
* Chuck Carpenter [https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckcarpenter/]
* Ship Shape [https://shipshape.io/]
Subscribe and stay in touch
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Mar 24, 2022
Transitioning to Tech and Writing What You Know with Kara Luton
When it seems like everyone around you has worked in the same field for a really long time, making a career pivot with confidence can be tricky. But not everyone’s been coding since their early college days like Robbie and Chuck. Kara Luton started on track to become a professional ballerina. After college and a stint in music publicity, burnout prompted Kara to make a hard left and begin a career in tech.
With all the developer bootcamps and online resources now available, making the switch has never been more accessible. Not to mention, the skills Kara learned as a ballerina and a music publicist helped shape the developer she is today. From staying dedicated and detail-oriented, learning to write and learning from burnout, Kara wouldn’t change anything about her unconventional path to software.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie talk with Kara about her experience learning and relearning Ember, why she loves the Ember community, her advice for those looking to switch careers,…
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Mar 17, 2022
Alternatives to Relay, the GraphQL Stack, and Adulthood with Charles Lowell and Taras Mankovski
Just because something is widely used doesn’t always mean it’s your best solution. Frontside Founder Charles Lowell and CEO Taras Mankovski, stumbled into an alt GraphQL stack simply because the nature of a product didn’t mesh with Apollo. After happening upon two up-and-coming technologies, GraphQL modules and Envelope, a solution was born, as was a newfound flexibility with GraphQL stacks.
In this episode, Charles and Taras talk with Chuck and Robbie about their accidental developer discovery, the drawbacks of UI libraries, what a Relay alternative looks like, what in the world Pact is, and why adulthood is vastly overrated.
Key Takeaways
* [00:48] - An introduction to the Frontside guys.
* [02:29] - A whiskey review.
* [08:46] - How Charles and Taras discovered a less-than-ordinary GraphQL stack.
* [18:39] - Why JSON:API doesn’t always make sense.
* [23:11] - Taras’ criteria for a valuable alternative to Relay.
* [25:04] - What is Pact?
* [28:30] - A…
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Mar 10, 2022
Machine Learning in JavaScript, Remix Plus Netlify, and Why DX Engineers Matter with Charlie Gerard
Charlie Gerard loves to experiment. Her love for experimentation and JS has propelled Charlie into the world of machine learning and in turn inspired her recent book, Practical Machine Learning in JavaScript.
Forever iterating on her projects and experimentations, Charlie extends that desire for growth into her professional life, even pursuing a Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science and dabbling as a Google Developer Expert outside of her Netlify 9-5.
In this episode, Charlie talks with Chuck and Robbie about her role at Netlify, why DX engineers matter, the real relationship between Remix and Netlify, Charlie's approach to machine learning, and her thoughts on why web3 can be used for good.
Key Takeaways
* [00:30] - An introduction to Charlie.
* [01:04] - A whiskey review.
* [07:53] - Why Charlie wrote a book about JavaScript and machine learning.
* [11:23] - How Charlie comes up with the projects she works on.
* [18:24] - What Charlie does at Netlify and what it…
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Mar 3, 2022
Creating CodePen, Tackling Tailwind, and Keeping It Simple with Chris Coyier
Ten years after launching CodePen, Co-Founder Chris Coyier still thinks of his company as a scrappy startup. That’s because CodePen, an app and social community for testing and creating web projects, still feels like a company striving to prove itself in a world of jaded developers. Nevertheless, CodePen has successfully reached developers as they’re learning to code.
In this episode, Chris talks with Chuck and Robbie about his online opinions that align and differ from Robbie’s, the evolution of CodePen, how they’ve managed to monetize, the advantages of sticking with CSS, why blogging is like grinding, and Chris’ parenting advice for new dads.
Key Takeaways
* [02:23] - A whiskey review.
* [11:10] - The beauty of CodePen and a brief chat about Tampa.
* [16:11] - The niche that sets CodePen apart.
* [18:03] - Why going serverless is a wonderful thing.
* [23:11] - How CodePen has evolved and how they have monetized.
* [25:06] - How CodePen uses infor…
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Feb 24, 2022
Runspired vs. Chris Manson on Solving the Number One Open Source Maintainer Dilemma
As Chris Thoburn (otherwise known as runspired) began prepping for his own Whiskey Web and Whatnot, he found himself driving along to Chris Manson's episode from a few weeks prior. Nodding along as Chris explained his point of view on all things Ember, runspired suddenly slammed on the brakes after hearing one pivotal sentence.
At the center of his break slam and today's fierce disagreement? The value of TypeScript and its place in the Ember community. Fortunately, Chris and Chris have the same end goal: to encourage more developers to use Ember and contribute to Ember projects. But how do we keep Ember contributor-friendly while keeping contributions careful? One of them yearns for a happy medium and the other feels that balance is forever impossible.
In this episode, runspired and Chris Manson battle it out, discussing TypeScript's place in the Ember community and balancing the volume of Ember contributors with the accuracy of developer edits.
Key Takeaways
* [02:49] - A whisk…
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Feb 17, 2022
Work-Life Balance, React, and Why Accessibility Is Everything with Melanie Sumner
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck talk with Melanie Sumner, web developer and member of the Ember Core Team.
As a graduation gift from her Uncle, Melanie was handed a computer and told, "learn to write code," because the future is tech. So that's what she did. With a love of language and puzzles, writing code became her thrill and, after years in the Navy, her profession. Today, Melanie is active in the Ember community, serving on the Ember Core Team and advocating for veterans entering web development.
Melanie talks with Robbie and Chuck about the value of empty days, intentional productivity, Ember's evolution, React, and tips for making websites accessible.
Key Takeaways
* [00:27] - A quick introduction to Melanie and her role in the Ember community.
* [01:38] - A whiskey review.
* [08:13] - Web dev "would you rather".
* [12:36] - Why Melanie started learning to write code and her thoughts on work-life balance.
* [20:02] - The philosophy Melanie lives by and why she…
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Feb 10, 2022
Astro, Dashboards, NFT Memberships, and a TV Roundup
From Astro, Vite, and Snowpack, to VR, and some favorite TV shows, today’s episode is the perfect opportunity to catch up on technical whatnots and a few exciting life updates from Chuck and Robbie. Plus, if you’ve ever wondered what NFTs, co-working spaces, and whiskey all have in common, today’s episode is for you.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck dive into the frameworks they’re using, the dashboards they’re analyzing, what’s new in the gaming universe, and the co-working space to check out if you happen to live near Middleburg, VA. And if you don’t, here’s how a virtual space can come to you.
Key Takeaways
* [00:09] - A non-traditional introduction.
* [01:35] - A whiskey review.
* [09:00] - What Robbie’s working on.
* [14:41] - What it’s like working in Astro.
* [18:56] - What Chuck’s working on.
* [24:36] - Why Chuck is taking a break from VR.
* [36:00] - What’s new in games and TV.
* [47:40] - When Robbie’s getting a Tesla…
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Feb 3, 2022
The Right Way to NFT, Blockchain, and Making Your Mark in the Digital Marketplace with Juan Palomino
In a world of invaluable yet intangible artwork and every developer fighting for a space on the blockchain, it’s hard to sort out what’s adding value to our brave new world and what’s taking up space. Juan Palomino, founder of Full Speed Media, has spent the last year knee-deep in his own NFT experiment. Along the way, he’s learned what to embrace and what to forget when it comes to making his mark in the digital economy.
Juan started Full Speed Media as a way to provide live streaming services throughout the pandemic. While it began as a way to simply satisfy a growing demand, through his business, Juan began developing relationships with local organizations in Phoenix and realized the need for other web-based projects geared toward fundraising.
A true lover of building cool stuff and experimenting with the latest tech trends, Juan eventually developed an NFT drop in partnership with a local artist. Since launch day, his community has minted almost 100 tokens and raised…
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Jan 27, 2022
Discovering Ember, Adopting Orbit, and Unlocking Optimization with Chris Thoburn (runspired)
Runspired’s journey with Ember began just like Chuck’s, Robbie’s, and many who’ve come before them — with confusion, hesitancy, and gradual infatuation.
The year was 2008 and runspired was launching an app. Somewhere along the way, he realized that if he wanted to build the collaborative web-first application he envisioned, he needed to build in JavaScript.
Sifting through Angular and React, nothing stuck. When he finally stumbled upon Ember, the pitfalls and confusion were obvious and almost immediately he abandoned the framework. But runspired soon realized that features within Ember matched the ideas he began developing in his own framework years prior. Suddenly, everything clicked and today runspired is an Ember aficionado with big ideas on the future of framework and the secrets to cutting edge optimization.
In this episode, Robbie, Chuck, and runspired discuss flaws in the developer community, why Orbit is useful, shifting the approach to API frameworks, and why…
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Jan 13, 2022
Decentralized Gaming, IntelliJ, Twitch, and the Shortcomings of Modern VR with Rob Cary
What do web development, Twitch, VR, and blockchain all have in common? More than you might think. After years as a game developer, Ship Shape's longest-tenured employee Rob Cary was bound to put those unlikely virtual dots together and today he's here to share a few original insights.
After meeting Robbie Wagner in an elementary school play as a couple of accountants, their lives continued to overlap. From a choice in college to a knack for web development, making sweet beats, and ultimately, their careers, an intro to Rob may sound identical to an intro to Robbie. But unlike Robbie Wagner, Rob Cary has years of VR experience under his belt. Not to mention, some interesting ideas about the future of our virtual metaverse.
In this episode, Robbie, Chuck, and Rob discuss the wonders of WebStorm and IntelliJ, what on earth decentralized gaming is, how VR has transformed the gaming world, and the mostly unknown link between Twitch and web development.
Key Takeaways
* [00:28] -…
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Jan 6, 2022
Chuck's Origin Story: Career Pivots, and Learning to Love Ember
After diving into Robbie's backstory in episode 017, today we're panning the camera to Chuck. If you've ever wondered how he ended up at Ship Shape and where Chuck first discovered the world of the web, today's episode explores his digital origin story.
Like Robbie, Chuck's foray into software development began in Photoshop. In fact, for a period after graduating college, Chuck considered going to photography school. Unfortunately (or fortunately, if you ask Robbie), shelling out cash for grad school seemed daunting and impractical. So he stumbled into a startup instead.
After gigs at multiple startups, MLMs, a national network, and a non-profit abroad, a new baby sent Chuck searching for something with fewer hours and more flexibility. Spoiler alert: he ended up at Ship Shape.
In this episode, Robbie and Chuck discuss Chuck's gradual love for Ember, the frameworks that shaped his career, the developers who impressed him, and Chuck's ideas on the future of the web.
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Dec 30, 2021
Robbie's Origin Story: Learning to Code, Learning to Hire, and Taking the Entrepreneurial Leap
If you’ve ever wondered where Ship Shape got its shape and how Robbie became Ember’s number one fan, this episode is for you.
Robbie and Chuck revisit the early chapters of Robbie’s career, including the gigs he loved and the corporate structures he hated. They talk about lessons learned, taking the entrepreneurial leap, and what’s on the horizon. While Robbie’s career has hardly been a linear path, the most exciting and fulfilling journeys rarely are.
Key Takeaways
* [00:44] - Whiskey review and a brief overview of Pinhook.
* [06:23] - Robbie’s introduction to the digital world.
* [13:15] - College and his bridge to JavaScript.
* [16:06] - The first startup Robbie worked at.
* [18:30] - The start of Robbie’s post-grad gigs.
* [21:20] - A proud whiteboard-ing moment.
* [24:23] - What Robbie learned at Red Hat.
* [30:28] - Where Robbie fell in love with Ember.
* [34:56] - The next step in Robbie’s Ember career.
* [36:55] - Where Robbi…
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Dec 23, 2021
The Beauty of Remix, Falling for Tailwind, and Why NFTs Are a Scam with Kent C. Dodds
Kent Dodds spends much of his professional life helping emerging developers learn. Earlier this year, as he began refreshing a stack of educational resources, Kent realized that simply switching to Remix eliminated most of the problems he was teaching his students to avoid or solve. Not long after he fell in love with the framework, Kent landed a job at Remix.
Now the Director of Developer Experience, Dodds educates and troubleshoots. From eliminating loading and error states, easy adoption, and the mutations API, Dodds’ passion for Remix is abundantly obvious. He credits the success of Remix to its premium user experience and believes wholeheartedly that (almost) everything is simpler without JavaScript.
In this episode, Robbie, Chuck, and Kent discuss the standalone features of Remix, a new stack on the Remix block, avoiding JavaScript, and why Kent can’t code without Tailwind.
Key Takeaways
* [01:51] - An eggnog review.
* [06:20] - Kent’s journey to Remix.…
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Dec 16, 2021
Next.js 12, React vs. Svelte, and the Future of Frameworks with Wes Bos
Between constantly changing frameworks, updates, and languages, web dev life is anything but stagnant. Shiny object syndrome is a real thing, and it’s easy to feel like there’s too much to keep up with.
Wes Bos has his own point of view on the shifting landscape. Wes has spent years as a developer and has created a catalog of courses to help other developers improve their skills. Despite having his favorites, Wes argues there’s a place for everything in the melting pot that is modern web development.
In this episode, Robbie, Chuck, and Wes discuss the rise of specialized frameworks, the future of frameworks like TypeScript, and Wes’ views on technology outside the workplace.
Key Takeaways
* [00:27] – Who is Wes Bos?
* [01:40] – Wes or Robbie or Both?
* [05:42] – Whiskey review
* [18:46] – The benefits of Next.js 12
* [21:03] – React vs. Svelte
* [26:20] – Wes’ thoughts on TypeScript
* [30:26] – Commiserating over IE 11
* [33:52…
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Dec 9, 2021
Ember vs. React, Jamstack, and Holes in the Hiring Process with Chris Manson
They say if it's not broken, don't fix it. But if it is broken...keep iterating? While not everyone may agree on how to solve the technical headaches that come with one language or another, developer and Empress Creator Chris Manson has a few ideas.
As more apps emerge, more problems inevitably appear. Chris has several non-negotiable best practices for keeping it simple and helping the developers who follow in his digital footsteps.
Also a member of Ember's core team, Chris has been working with the framework since December of 2011. After beginning his startup with Angular, Chris threw in the towel and pivoted to its simpler and more intuitive counterpart. Nevertheless, Ember is far from flawless and, as with most things, could always improve for the users who need it most.
In this episode, Robbie, Chuck, and Chris discuss the fatal flaws of several old and emerging frameworks, the breakthrough shifts in the Ember community, why comparing Ember to React isn't always a fair match-…
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Dec 2, 2021
RedwoodJS, Developer Experience, and Developing for Scale with Tom Preston-Werner
Every developer straddles the fine line between creating a unique space and reinventing the wheel. Tom Preston-Werner has lived between those two lines for much of his career, most recently while developing an app framework for startups, RedwoodJS.
Tom has always pushed himself to think outside the box rather than follow competitors. This aversion to groupthink kickstarted the creation of Redwood. It also helped Tom with the second-hardest part of app development: choosing a name. Tired of the physics names flooding the React world, Tom turned to nature for his framework. Not just a staple of the Bay Area, Redwoods start as tiny acorns and grow into enormous trees – a fitting analogy for an app designed to grow alongside expanding ventures.
In this episode, Robbie, Chuck, and Tom discuss the other ways Tom's outsider thought-process contributes to his creativity, the importance of helping users through the upgrade process, and his tried and true philosophy as a software develop…
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Oct 14, 2021
Boss Hog: Magellan's Atlantic, Recaptcha, GraphQL, NFTs, Crypto
Chuck is in Middleburg, in person, for this episode, where we celebrate his Ship Shape anniversary with the WhistlePig Boss Hog: Magellan's Atlantic. We discuss preventing bots from submitting forms with recaptcha, caching with GraphQL and Redis, NFTs, crypto, and various whatnot.
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Sep 8, 2021
Four Roses, Elixir, Flutter, and Whatnot w/ Sundi Myint
In this episode, we try some Four Roses, and chat with Sundi about Elixir, Flutter, cooking and various whatnot.
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May 26, 2021
Hughes Belle of Bedford, Ember and Whatnot w/ Robert Jackson (rwjblue)
In this episode of our Whiskey Web and Whatnot podcast, we are joined by our special guest, Robert Jackson, from the Ember Core Team. We sampled the Hughes Belle of Bedford Rye whiskey, discussed how Robert got into Ember, the pros and cons of Ember vs other frameworks, and various whatnot.
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May 20, 2021
Uncle Nearest 1856, JSON:API vs GraphQL, Traveling, Mexico, and Middleburg
In this episode we try the Uncle Nearest 1856 100 proof premium whiskey, discuss the pros and cons of JSON:API vs GraphQL, and give updates on our lives post-vaccination, the new office space in Middleburg, and the latest news in the Ship Shape world.
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Apr 18, 2021
Old Elk, NFTs, Crypto, Tech Tangents
This time we accidentally try two different Old Elk whiskeys, talk about NFTs, crypto, and go on various tech tangents.
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Apr 2, 2021
Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit, EmberConf, Next.js, Porsche vs Mustang
This week we try Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit, discuss EmberConf and Next.js and talk about Porsches vs Mustangs.
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Mar 19, 2021
Basil Hayden's Dark Rye, DevOps, Arcades and Whatnot
In this episode we try Basil Hayden's Dark Rye, discuss DevOps and Kubernetes, Arcades and Whatnot.
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Mar 10, 2021
Kamiki Whisky, Ember/Glimmer updates and whatnot w/ Chris Garrett (pzuraq)
In this episode we try a Japanese whisky from Kamiki Whisky and chat with Chris Garrett (pzuraq) from the Ember Core Team about new things coming in the Ember/Glimmer world.
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Mar 3, 2021
Hudson Short Stack, Front End Frameworks, Italia
In this episode we try Hudson Whiskey's Short Stack, discuss JavaScript frameworks, and explore Chuck's time in Italy.
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Feb 27, 2021
Rabbit Hole Dareringer, Serverless, Cryptocurrency
In our third episode we try the Rabbit Hole Dareringer bourbon in our new Norlan whiskey glasses, discuss the Serverless Application Framework, learn a bit about Chuck's previous life as a blackjack dealer, and talk about the craziness around GameStop stock and cryptocurrency trading.
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Feb 12, 2021
Peerless Rye, Monorepos, Super Bowl LV
In this episode we sample Peerless Distilling's Rye, discuss the pros and cons of monorepos, and talk about our favorite and least favorite Super Bowl commercials.
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Feb 8, 2021
Hello World
On our first episode of Whiskey Web and Whatnot we have Sagamore Spirits Rye as our whiskey, discuss Travis CI's latest problems and how GitHub Actions has filled the space, as well as talk about Nintendo / PC games we've been interested in recently.
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