Apr 21, 2022
Carl Zha: Xinjiang, Ukraine, and U.S.-China relations — #10
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Carl Zha is the host of the Silk and Steel podcast, which focuses on China, history, culture, and politics. He is a former engineer now based in Bali, Indonesia.

Find Carl on Twitter @CarlZha.

Steve and Carl discuss:

1. Carl’s background: Chongqing to Chicago, Caltech to Bali, Life as a digital nomad

2. Xinjiang (35:20)

3. Ukraine (1:03:51)

4. China-Russia relationship (1:16:01)

5. U.S.-China competition (1:49:26)

Music used with permission from Blade Runner Blues Livestream improvisation by State Azure.

Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU.

Please send any questions or suggestions to or Steve on Twitter @hsu_steve.

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