Billions. Bitcoin. WallStreetBets. With more people than ever interested in trading - traditional stocks, options and even cryptocurrency - the psychology involved in high stakes decision making has never been more relevant to the wider community. Denise Shull - perhaps best known as the basis for the character of performance coach Wendy Rhoades in the show Billions - has had her head in the game for decades now, starting as a trader herself before diving into psychology and becoming a coach of people who handle hundreds of millions of dollars every day. In this show she's joined by John Burns, who has spent decades as a trader himself, and they discuss how feelings drive every move we make - and why we should ignore traditional advice of "take the emotion out of it" when we are making decisions under pressure or stress.