PA Centered
PA Centered
Sep 3, 2020
Episode 9: Dancing on Live Embers with Tina Lopes and Barb Thomas – Part 2
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In this two-part episode, we talk with Tina Lopes and Barb Thomas, the authors of Dancing on Live Embers: Challenging Racism in Organizations. Our discussion highlights some of the major themes and lessons from the book, and we examine how white privilege and power show up as obstacles in non-profit and anti-sexual violence organizations.

You can learn more about Tina and the book at Other works from Barb can be found through Between the Lines Publications.


Check out the resources mentioned by Barb and Tina during the podcast:

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