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ID16.9 podcast examines progress towards the realization of United Nations Sustainable Development Goal 16.9 of providing legal identity for all people, including birth registration, by 2030.
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Apr 6, 2023
IDINA: community-generated identity
What happens to identity in the most remote or most neglected communities? It generally gets overlooked. A group of academics at INESCTEC and the University of Minho, Portugal, have devised a system for communities to create and issue their own IDs.
IDINA, the non-authoritative digital ID system, is gradually built as trusted persons in the community attest to attributes about other individuals. Teachers can add when a person attended school, health workers can add vaccination dates.
António Sousa, one of the project leaders, explains how levels of confidence can be added to each part of a person’s identity such as name.
As the project develops, it is hoped an IDINA would be able to act as a digital foundation for acquiring a state – or authoritative – identity.
Find out more about the ID16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Mar 17, 2023
Africa can do it (ep. 11)
Cornelius Williams, outgoing global director for child protection at UNICEF, shares insights into identity and birth registration from his 30-year career in the sector.
20 African countries are on track for Sustainable Development Goal 16.9 says Williams – to provide legal identity for all by 2030, including birth registration.
But much still needs to be done. African nations have found robust approaches to provider further coverage and now need to work together to share these breakthroughs across the continent.
African governments are learning the significance of civil registration as a foundation for a modern state, and civil registry departments are better staffed and placed. How can they be better connected with ID departments?
The cost savings and efficiencies have never been more obvious. But can any country have a fully digital system? Are countries able to resist vendor lock in?
Are governments being overpromised systems by private vendors?
Find out more about the ID16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Jan 27, 2023
Cameroon: when a state demands ID it doesn’t issue (ep. 10)
We take an in-depth look at life without ID in an extreme setting: Cameroon. Extreme because its biometric national identity card (CNI) is required for everything in life, from bank accounts, to internal travel to being able to acquire any other credentials such as driving licenses. Extreme because it is undergoing a humanitarian crisis in its English-speaking region.
Millions of people are living without this all-powerful ID. A recent contract has vastly accelerated passport production, but many are waiting years for their ID cards.
We hear from reporter Ayang Macdonald in Yaoundé who has been speaking to people affected by a lack of ID in multiple ways. He explains the struggle to get the ID and life without it, or trying to get by for years with the paper receipt given on application.
Where there is demand, services appear. Officials suggest payments to speed along an application. Well connected individuals set themselves up as agents.
Paul Biya has been president since 1982 meaning the majority of the population has known nothing else, but millions are without the ID to vote for change.
Carrying the ID is a legal requirement, giving authorities an easy option for detaining an individual, especially if he or she is protesting against not having national ID. Cameroonians are growing tired of the situation and are trying to pressure the government into discussing plans to solve the deadlock.
Find out more about the ID16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Nov 19, 2022
Zimbabwe undocumented (ep. 9)
Zimbabwe is beginning to realize the national impact of low birth registration rates with only 49 percent of under-fives registered nationally in 2019. Without a birth certificate and subsequent ID credentials, a lifetime of missed opportunities can line up in front of a child and this scales up to big problems for the country.
https://mics-surveys-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/MICS6/Eastern%20and%20Southern%20Africa/Zimbabwe/2019/Snapshots/Zimbabwe%202019%20MICS%20Snapshots%20of%20Key%20Findings_English.pdf (page 40)
Tafadzwa Mavudzi, a monitoring and evaluation specialist for the NGO Nutrition Action Zimbabwe, talks to the ID16.9 Podcast about her experiences around legal identity, professionally and personally.
https://naz.co.zw
Mavudzi discusses how service access can be restricted directly, such as school attendance especially in urban areas, and indirectly such as healthcare when a lack of education means people do not earn enough to travel to or pay for health services.
There are differing advantages and disadvantages in seeking registration for children in rural and urban areas, with the urban push and facilities gaining the upper hand.
Children are affected in many ways by not having their births registered, such as being prevented from attending school, being barred from competitive sport and even struggling to prove they are minors if the victim of sexual violence.
Mavudzi proposes solutions in terms of legal reform and referral pathways for helping those identified as unidentified by NGOs or civil society organizations.
Find out more about the ID16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Nov 4, 2022
ID for all purposes or people? - Privacy International (ep. 8)
What’s happened to the UN’s Sustainable Development Goal 16.9 for legal identity for all by 2030? Has it been repurposed to support other goals? And if so, who’s responsible?
In this episode we’re in conversation with Tom Fisher, senior researcher at Privacy International, a human rights and surveillance advocacy organization based in London.
https://privacyinternational.org
The looseness of the goal and how it is measured has created something of a vacuum which has allowed governments, international organizations and the private sector to interpret the SDG in their own ways. Reports of negative impacts on people around the world have accompanied positive developments and progress towards the goal.
Fisher discusses the response of civil society.
Privacy International was one of more than 70 organizations and individuals to sign a joint letter calling on organizations such as the World Bank as wells as donor countries to “cease activities that promote harmful models of digital identification systems.”
https://www.accessnow.org/open-letter-to-the-world-bank-digital-id-systems/
We plan to hear from the other side of the debate in an upcoming episode.
Find out more about the ID 16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Oct 7, 2022
Mass catch ups and SMS – Digitech Development (ep. 7)
Technology and teamwork can help reach the UN’s Sustainable Development Goal 16.9 of legal identity for all, including birth registration, by 2030.
Digitech Development, a division of French firm Digitech, has developed a way to securely send birth notification details by SMS to the civil registry, allowing birth registration even when 2G connectivity is unavailable.
The company began by scanning documents in French town halls in the 1990s.
Digitech Development’s Margaux Audet explains how the technology is working in Côte d'Ivoire and how the firm was part of a consortium that carried out a mass ‘catch up’ exercise in the Democratic Republic of Congo which registered the births of 2.4 million primary school children who had not been registered following their births.
https://digitech-development.com
Find out more about the ID 16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Sep 23, 2022
International ID Day – who’s it for? (ep. 6)
Matching the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goal 16.9 for legal identity for all by 2030, the identity-promoting organization ID4Africa calls on countries to mark 16/09 as International Identity Day or ID Day. It also calls on the UN to recognize the occasion.
In this episode we talk to the authorities in Uganda which marked the day by trying new ways to reach people to register for birth certificates and the national ID.
Uganda has been heavily criticized over the impact of low registration rates: people are denied health and welfare services. While government could remove the identity barriers to access, if it is to pursue registration, how will ID Day help?
Faridah Nassozi and Edwin Tukamuhebwa of NIRA – Uganda’s National Identification and Registration Authority – discuss successes and challenges.
https://www.nira.go.ug/home
Private sector companies state how they mark the day and what it means for them now and next: HID Global, Suprema ID and Tech5.
Some see International Identity Day as becoming overly commercialized and a supportive tool for governments to implement exclusionary identity systems. We hear from Tom Fisher, Senior Researcher at Privacy International, on what other impacts the day can have, and also how a day to mark identity issues can have some positives.
https://privacyinternational.org
Find out more about the ID 16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Sep 8, 2022
India: Exclusion by design (ep. 5)
India’s ID system Aadhaar made huge progress by enrolling more than a billion people in just a few years. But at what cost?
Civil society leader and documentary-maker Subhashish Panigrahi speaks to us about his film “Marginalized Aadhaar” and we discuss the cultural, political and technical issues which led to multiple layers of exclusion by the system, particularly for India’s poor.
Privilege, caste, propaganda and education are all key considerations. Being able to advocate for oneself is all too often only for the wealthy.
Panigrahi talks about exclusion via language and disability by a system tested on the privileged. India still does not have adequate data protections for its citizens personal information, but there are opportunities for the private sector, including the likes of Google and Meta.
Clips from “Marginalized Aadhaar” by Subhashish Panigrahi licensed under Creative Commons BY 3.0. https://archive.org/details/marginalized-aadhaar/1-MarginalizedAadhaar-open-caption.mov
Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QKt05JW7MU
Find out more about the ID16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Aug 22, 2022
The private sector wants a stake in legal ID (ep. 4)
The private sector has a role to play in legal identity. Is this a good thing? Is it inevitable? We explore how private companies are involved in ID schemes around the world and how new open source, plug and play ID platforms give governments more control over that private sector involvement.
But is the private sector also affecting or setting the agenda? ID4Africa, the main driver of identity ventures on the continent, is changing its mission far beyond legal identity. We look at private sector messaging on legal identity and its fusion with digital and biometric ID that was presented at the ID4Africa 2022 summit.
Our Cameroonian reporter presents his home country as a case study for the impact on daily life of private sector contracts not delivering what they promised.
Find out more about the ID16.9 Podcast and the importance of legal identity at https://id169.com
Produced and hosted by Frank Hersey at Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com
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Aug 2, 2022
Discussing the OpenCRVS open-source civil registration system (ep. 3)
Technology cannot fix the problem of a billion people not having legal identity. Not on its own.
OpenCRVS is an open-source civil registration system that can be configured for a country in a week. Annina Wersun, its head of Community Development and Engagement, explains the daily issues getting in the way of birth registration and how the system can be used by a country to experiment and improve the way it presents birth registration.
“Technology projects fail the majority of the time because of the people,” says Wersun as she explains how OpenCRVS is just a tool for tackling UN Sustainable Development Goal 16.9 for legal identity for all.
For more about this podcast, visit https://www.ID169.com
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Aug 2, 2022
SDG 16.9 – A life and death situation (ep. 2)
“Dead people can cause a lot of trouble. Dead people can access pensions, dead people can inherit things,” says Niall McCann of the UNDP.
Death registration is as important as birth registration for understanding a country and even political stability: “The one thing that dead people can't do is start a war, attack governments.”
This deep dive with the UN’s former head of legal identity explores the issue of using biometrics in identity, how much control we should have over our identities, transgender rights to assert identity (and what happens when they die), the dangers of including religion or ethnicity, and how progress is going towards the UN Sustainable Development Goal of identity for all by 2030.
And did they get their goals wrong?
For more about this podcast, visit https://www.ID169.com
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Aug 2, 2022
Setting the case for a legal identity for all (ep. 1)
More than a billion people in the world have no legal identity – no way to prove who they are. The United Nations has pledged to fix this with Sustainable Development Goal 16.9 and 2030 is the deadline.
The UN’s outgoing person in charge of legal identity, Niall McCann from the UNDP, starts our exploration of the importance of ID and where we are on that SDG 16.9 target. And whether there a billion people with no identity:
“If you're talking about people that are legally invisible, well then counting them is quite challenging”
What is legal identity?
Can you have legal identity without birth registration?
What is ‘proving yourself before the law’?
Why are you so vulnerable if you don’t have ID?
We also hear a sneak preview from some of the other larger organizations we’ll have on the show in future episodes: the World Bank and UNICEF.
For more about this podcast, visit https://www.ID169.com
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Aug 1, 2022
Introducing ID16.9 – the quest for everyone to have a legal identity
One in eight people have no formal identity, no way to prove who they are. Find out the devastating impact this can have on everything in life – from accessing vaccinations and education to finding formal employment and even inheriting.
The UN is trying to solve the problem. Sustainable Development Goal 16.9 aims to ensure everyone in the world has a legal identity by 2030. We find out how that’s going and how we might meet the goal.
Hear from tech companies offering solutions, the big players like the UNDP and World Bank pouring in billions, down to individuals among the billion without ID, explaining their struggles in countries rich and poor.
For more about our journey, visit https://www.ID169.com
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