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As It Comes Podcast: Life from a Musician's Point of View
This podcast aims to explore life from a musician's point of view: the peaks, troughs and the downright unexpected. Hosted by London-based cellist Davina Shum
Sep 11, 2020
Episode 30: Lucia D'Avanzo-Lewis "Start to be aware of what you're throwing away"
Lucia D’Avanzo-Lewis (not Lucia di Lammermoor) is my guest for this mammoth-sized episode. Lucia’s the author of the Eco Notes blog, and we chatted face-to-face about how reducing waste is like learning a new instrument as well as sharing tips on how to reduce waste and reuse possessions not only in our everyday lives, but also as musicians. I share with you my experience of playing at my first post-lockdown wedding gig, plus we have a stupor-inducing Music College Didn’t Prepare Me contribution. Would you like to contribute? Email me: email@example.com Remember to like and follow on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod. Mentioned in this episode: Econotes.co.uk Facebook.com/luciaseconotes Episode 2 for my late-to-a-wedding anecdote and chamberoke: https://asitcomespod.podbean.com/e/episode-2-madeleine-ridd-part-1-nobody-has-a-monopoly-on-suffering/
1 hr 5 min
Aug 28, 2020
Episode 29: Peter Brathwaite "You can't build your life around just practising"
Baritone Peter Brathwaite is my guest for episode 29. We chatted about keeping busy during lockdown, the pressures of putting out content online, adaptability, versatility and transferable skills as musicians, Peter’s recreation of Black portraiture throughout history. Find out also what Peter’s favourite plants are! This episode is brought to you reluctantly by my good friend Writer’s Block and features a Music College Didn’t Prepare Me segment all about early starts and miming. Follow and Like the podcast: @asitcomespod. Instagram: @peter_brathwaite Twitter: @peterbrathwaite Peterbrathwaitebaritone.com
Aug 14, 2020
Episode 28: Xuefei Yang "'Pioneer' sounds really fancy"
Episode 28 features guitar legend Xuefei Yang – we chat about the importance of sleep and exercise for musicians, Fei’s journey to become the first Chinese classical guitarist to reach the world stage (just don’t call her a pioneer) and her new album “Sketches of China”. Find out Fei’s recommendation of what to listen to if you’re totally unfamiliar with guitar repertoire, and what to do if you break a nail before a show. Gyms and fitness centres are now open again in the UK, so this episode opens with my thoughts on what I’ve been doing to keep myself moving, plus we have a Music College Didn’t Prepare me contribution from a sneezing bassoonist. Special thanks to Rebecca and Tessa at Premier Classical for their assistance in this episode. Like and follow on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod Fei’s socials: F : www.facebook.com/xuefeiyang T : www.twitter.com/XuefeiYang I : www.instagram.com/xuefeiyang_guitar Tarrega’s Recuerdos de la Alhambra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBIhC0r2iJ8&feature=youtu.be
Jul 31, 2020
Episode 27: Justine Cormack "There's just so much wisdom that our bodies have"
My guest this episode is Justine Cormack – a seriously accomplished violinist, creative performance coach and analogy enthusiast from New Zealand. We chat about her move from the city to the countryside, her Grand Designs featured house and her philosophy Listen Feel Play, which focuses on harnessing physical awareness in movement that we can bring to our music-making, by getting out of our heads and listening to, feeling and exploring what’s going on in our bodies instead. Find out about her day of food and her plant-based milk of choice (why does this topic always come up with New Zealanders.) This episode features a Music College Didn't Prepare Me segment involving masks (with a slightly off-the-cuff rant about suffering from Resting B*tch Face) during a rather peculiar summer. Mentioned in this episode: justinecormack.com https://www.actual.ac/project/wanaka-wedge-house/ Animals at Play (not Science of Play, as wrongly mentioned in the chat): https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m00077gh/animals-at-play
Jul 17, 2020
Episode 26: Fred and Lily Scott "The gig goes on"
Father and daughter unit Fred and Lily Scott are my guests for this episode. We talk about Fred’s book “One Autumn Day” which covers his experiences of being diagnosed with osteosarcoma or bone cancer at 23, as well as his tale of recovery and survivorship, how having cancer affects your family and your perspective on life, and on a lighter note, our collective obsession with Homebase, Nigella Lawson and food. This episode features quotes from the piano teaching community pertaining to teaching online, as well as my recent venture into livestreaming (eek!) Get in touch at firstname.lastname@example.org. Like and follow the pod on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod. Mentioned in this episode: www.oneautumnday.co.uk Skeletal Cancer Trust: https://skeletalcancertrust.org/about/ Cancer Research UK: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/ @__lilyscott and @fredscottmusic
Jul 3, 2020
Episode 25: Nadine Benjamin "We tell stories"
Happy one-year Podcastiversary! My 25th episode features the wonderful soprano and coach Nadine Benjamin. Listen as she shares her experiences and insights during the pandemic, finding space in breathing and how she found her voice as an opera singer (including how to be a last-minute Tosca). She explains her role as a certified NLP mind and high performance coach and kindly provides some helpful tips for making choices and getting through this difficult time. Music college didn’t prepare us for online music lessons, so we continue our theme of hilarious, relatable and terror-inducing quotes – this time, from the string-playing community. Got a quote or experience you want to share on the podcast? Email me: email@example.com Nadinebenjamin.com Everybodycan.com Nadine’s Facebook Live Sessions: facebook.com/NadinBenjamin @nadinebenjaminsoprano Follow the podcast on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod for CATS and talking heads. Remember to rate, review and subscribe on Apple Podcasts!
Jun 19, 2020
Episode 24: Jennifer Pike "It's a long road"
If you’re looking for something to put you through an emotional rollercoaster, just look at what you were doing in last year’s diary. Violinist Jennifer Pike is my guest for this episode. We shared a chat about reassessing life’s priorities in lockdown, our insights on The Lark Ascending, which she’s recently recorded, as well as the power of quiet playing and diversity in programming. Find out what she would be if she weren’t a musician, and also, because I’m in the room, cats. This episode features a mammoth conglomerate of quotes from the music teachers suffering through online teaching during the pandemic, so listen out for that which is hilarious, relatable, and terror-inducing. More to feature in future episodes! Want to get in touch? Email firstname.lastname@example.org or visit the website: asitcomes.com Like and follow the podcast on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod Follow Jennifer Pike: www.jenniferpike.com @jenniferpikeviolin
Jun 5, 2020
Episode 23: Leon Bosch "I could either give up, or I could fight"
Double bass legend Leon Bosch is my guest for this episode. We cover a huge breadth of topics; his journey from South Africa to playing with the Academy of St Martin in the Fields, experiencing the essence of music, authenticity within a framework, the session business, and Leon’s passion for long-distance running. Photography by Juno Snowdon. Art direction by Adam Hypki. Mentioned in this episode: leonbosch.com imusicanti.co.uk imusicantipublishing.co.uk
1 hr 1 min
May 22, 2020
Episode 22: Fiona Gibbs "Be as creative as possible"
It’s Mental Health Awareness week, so this episode begins with a few thoughts about mental health. My guest for episode 22 is Fiona Gibbs, a violinist, researcher, lecturer and founder of Orchestra Vitae. This is the last of my chats recorded face-to-face back in March and we talked about setting up your own ensemble so that you get to play Brahms, how the death of a loved one can affect the way you go to concerts leading Fiona to come up with her initiative “Concert Chums”. We also talk about our favourite bits of repertoire, as well as choosing what news to engage with, being cynical and what we can learn from Barry Manilow. Don’t miss this week’s Music College Didn’t Prepare Me segment illustrating a musician working from home in a new job due to Coronavirus. Mentioned in this episode: Facebook: @OrchestraVitae Instagram: @orchestravitae Twitter: @OrchestraVitae Website: http://www.orchestravitae.co.uk/ Fiona’s website: https://www.musicpeopleplaces.com/
May 8, 2020
Episode 21: Jessica Cottis "Always music first"
Don’t feel bad for being unproductive! Australian/British conductor and lepidopterist Jessica Cottis is my guest for episode 21. Listen to what a conductor does during lockdown, her personal story regarding physical injury, and what effective technique she DIDN’T learn in conducting school. Hear our discussion about the “buzz” of live performance, and the parallels between butterflies and music-making – you heard it here first! Don’t miss this episode’s Music College Didn’t Prepare Me segment featuring food extraction from instruments. Got something to share? Email me: email@example.com. Like and follow the pod on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod Photo credit: Kaupo Kikkas
Apr 24, 2020
Episode 20: Jessie Grimes "There's no ceiling in what you can do"
Who would’ve thought that one could do some productive practice during lockdown? Jessie Grimes is my guest for episode 20- she’s a musician who plays the clarinet, works with vulnerable and special needs people and is a presenter. Listen to her chat about how life doesn’t always go the way you planned, making tough career choices, how she maintains her mental health throughout challenging projects, and what she thinks is “the most lesbian thing in the world”. Music college didn’t prepare a whole lot of musicians for working in supermarkets during this difficult time – listen out for some topical anecdotes. Got something to share? Email me: firstname.lastname@example.org Huge thanks to James Bryant for helping me with the sound this episode. Like and follow the podcast on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod for bonus content including cats, outdoor podcasting and poetry. Follow Jessie (even though she doesn’t really use social media) Twitter: @Jessie_Grimes Instagram…
Apr 10, 2020
Episode 19: Robert and Verity Simmons (Estilo String Quartet) "Sh*t Christmas on the forest floor"
Violinist and cellist Rob and Verity Simmons from Estilo String Quartet are my guests this episode for my first ever remote (boozy) podcast recording. Listen to us chat about being festive despite lockdown, performing live by the seat of your pants via social media, imparting a bit of knowledge to one’s offspring from time to time (i.e. homeschooling), and WINE – things we’ve learnt from the “forest floor” from a qualified drinker. Find out also what they can’t live without and miss during these restricted times. This episode was brought to you after possibly the strangest birthday celebration of my life (albeit still rather pleasant). Don’t miss this episode’s Music College Didn’t Prepare Me segment, involving sight-reading, comedians, and karaoke (sounds like the title for a web series). Like what you hear? Rate and review on Apple Podcasts, like and follow the podcast on facebook.com/asitcomespod or Instagram @asitcomespod. Follow the Estilo String Quartet: Fac…
Mar 27, 2020
Episode 18: Rocío Bolaños "Open your mind, maybe?"
Episode 18 is brought to you from lockdown restrictions – you know the drill. My guest is Rocío Bolaños – a clarinettist, experimental and improvising musician who works with Distractfold Ensemble. We chatted a couple weeks ago (it feels like a lifetime ago) about teaching instruments you don’t play, being in the moment while making music, what to say to haters of new music, as well as that time she had to perform as a lung and what she would play if she hadn’t chosen the clarinet. Music college certainly didn’t prepare any of us for lockdown, so thanks to those who’ve shared with me what they’ve been up to recently, which seems to include a whole lot of online teaching. What have you been doing in lockdown? Let me know: email@example.com or get in touch via Facebook or Instagram @asitcomespod – at least for the cat and silly video content. Distractfold Ensemble: http://www.distractfold.co.uk/ Photo credit: Dimitri Djuric.
Mar 13, 2020
Episode 17: Amalia Hall "Music improves life quality"
My 17th episode features a chat with an old uni friend: Kiwi violinist and avid consumer of icecream Amalia Hall, whom I caught up with while she was in London Listen to us chat about collaborating with living composers, staying positive and well during travelling, her roles as a soloist, concertmaster of Orchestra Wellington and violinist of NZTrio, and adjusting to your teachers becoming your colleagues. This episode features a very topical "music college didn't prepare me segment" about health and hygiene. Want to feature in this segment? Let me know: firstname.lastname@example.org Follow and like the podcast and Assistant Purr-ducer Romeo's latest antics on Facebook and Instagram: @asitcomespod Rate and review on Apple Podcasts! Follow Amalia on social media @amaliaviolin
Feb 28, 2020
Episode 16: John-Paul Muir "Finding strength, trust and faith in something that anchors you"
Hello to all you wonderful people from around the globe! Kiwi pianist and coffee-drinker John-Paul Muir is my guest in this episode. There is a lot of chat about food and coffee, as well JP’s recent travels, the challenges of teaching and playing in different styles, and his new album “The Cornerstone Suite”. Our “Music College Didn’t Prepare Me” segment is dedicated to the fine art that is depping. Got an experience music college didn’t prepare you for that you’d like to share or have discussed on the podcast? Let me know: email@example.com, Facebook or Instagram @asitcomespod. Mentioned in this episode: Facebook.com/jpmuirpianist Johnpaulmuir.com
Feb 14, 2020
Episode 15: Tara Minton "Multi-tasking on a ninja level"
Welcome to the first episode of 2020! This has been brought to you following my worst January ever. It never rains, but it pours! Australian harpist Tara Minton is my guest in this episode, whose versatility is illustrated in her ability to play and sing in various styles. We chatted about moving over to the cold of London from the heat of Melbourne, travelling with a harp, gig life, how grade 8 is just the beginning of your musical journey, and Tara's thoughts on harmony. You'll also find out the best gig she's ever played in, and the best gigs she's ever seen. This episode features a Music College Didn't Prepare Me transport disaster that occurred to me in - you guessed it: January. Want to get in touch? Email me: firstname.lastname@example.org Like and follow the podcast on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod Rate and review on Apple Podcasts, I'd be most grateful. Mentioned in this episode: Twitter: @tara_minton Instagram: @taraminton Website: taraminton.com.au (oi oi oi)
1 hr 4 min
Dec 20, 2019
Episode 14: Daniel Elms (part 2) "Untitled Podcast Episode"
Part deux of my conversation with Jingle Elms is here, including chat about writing music for computer games, geese, swan necks (things took a surreal turn), plus the wildcard question round. Please excuse the nasal congestion on either side of the interview, as I wasn’t very well at the time of recording this. Also featured is a Music College Didn’t Prepare Me segment all about travel. Got an experience that music college didn’t prepare you for that you’d like to share? Tell me: email@example.com or via social media, and I may share it on the podcast, hopefully without a blocked nose. Like and follow le podcast on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod. Mentioned in this episode: Twitter: @danielelms Instagram: @danielelmsmusic www.danielelms.co.uk
Dec 13, 2019
Episode 13: Daniel Elms (part 1) "Just show up"
Composer Daniel Elms is my guest this episode, and next episode, as we shared a lengthy chat in his flat in Hove. We cover topics such as the wonders of various northern UK accents, dealing with composition briefs, anxiety in one's creative process, and how his debut album got signed, landing a UK-wide tour, and the logistics involved in making that happen. This episode's music college didn't prepare me is about TAX because it seems no one knows anything about it until you're in the middle of a hefty tax return amongst a pile of receipts. Mentioned in this episode: https://www.newamrecords.com/albums/islandia
Nov 22, 2019
Episode 12: Sophie Gledhill "This is something I feel I need to do"
You know the times are trying when you sit in silence and have a wee cry. Fortunately, solace can be found in some maternal love. This episode's guest is cellist Sophie Gledhill. We chatted backstage at Snape Maltings about life as a freelancer, long-distance relationships, being emotional, animals, Disney, and Sophie's drive to use music to bring about social change - leading her to take part in the Global Leaders Program and a residency at the Banff Centre. This episode features a Music College Didn't Prepare Me segment that illustrates music in motion for most people involved. Got a weird experience you'd like to share? Tell me: firstname.lastname@example.org Like and follow for bonus material and silly rain-soaked videos: @asitcomespod Mentioned in this episode: rippletank.org
Nov 8, 2019
Episode 11: Mike Ladouceur "If this is the music you wanna make then you just have to make it"
Today’s episode is brought to you from a designated duvet day – necessary for recharging one’s batteries! My guest is Mike Ladouceur – composer and orchestrator. He’s recently released his album of original work “Between Worlds” – on vinyl no less! Find out why Mike chose to release his album via sound installation, what he has to do as a film score orchestrator, and what he’d be if he weren’t a musician. This episode features a Music College Didn’t Prepare Me segment of bowel-shaking proportions. Got an experience that music college didn’t prepare you for that you’d like to share? Let me know: email@example.com Stay up to date with the pod: like and follow on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod Mentioned in this episode: Mike’s album “Between Worlds”: https://phonicarecords.com/product/mike-ladouceur-between-worlds-lp-ml-records/163443 @mike_ladouceur
Oct 25, 2019
Episode 10: Margaret Cookhorn "Yes please!"
We're 10 episodes old! Happy days! This episode was brought to you amongst the chaos and logistics of organising chamber music rehearsals and concerts. Episode 10's guest is Margaret Cookhorn, principal contrabassoon of the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. We chat about life as a bassoonist - how it can take years to get your dream instrument, how practice is like Olympic training or saving to buy a house and how to get ahead with your reed-making (clue: husbands). As well as being the first contrabassoon soloist at the BBC Proms, Margaret is also a fellow BBC Radio 3 Time Traveller, so we chat about writing and working in radio. A comedy of errors involving mistaken genders, forgotten instruments, inclement weather and vehicular damage feature in this episode's Music College Didn't Prepare Me segment. Got a rando experience to share that music college didn't prepare you for? Let me know: firstname.lastname@example.org Like and follow the pod on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomesp…
Oct 11, 2019
Episode 9: David Mahoney "You can't afford to wait for the opportunity to come along"
This episode was largely produced on the road - in trains, Travelodges, green rooms, you name it. Busy times - it explains my huskier-than-usual vocal register this episode. My guest is David Mahoney, conductor and founder of the Novello Orchestra, which recently performed a UK arena tour of Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back Live in Concert. We chatted backstage in a galaxy far, far away (Birmingham) about how he got to where he is now, what he has to deal with onstage while conducting a film score (turns out quite a bit), and the glamorous life of living on a tour bus. Also featured is a titillating Music College Didn't Prepare Me segment of a salacious nature. Got an experience music college didn't prep you for? Tell me: email@example.com Mentioned in this episode: @david_mahoney @thenovelloorchestra FYI Rugby results: NZ vs Canada 63-0 NZ vs Namibia 71-9 Like and follow the podcast on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod
Sep 27, 2019
Episode 8. Lucy Anderson "She'll be right"
Producing today's episode has been an exercise in time management. How do you get everything done when you have a billion things on, and during the Rugby World Cup? #dilemma My guest this episode is my old friend Lucy Anderson, from Wellington, New Zealand. We chat about expat life here in the UK, the Kiwi attitude of tackling whatever may come your way, such as moving countries, language and accent comprehension, finding good coffee, and some of the challenges faced in Lucy's job as assistant company manager at English National Opera (evacuating Kelsey Grammer out of the Coliseum avoiding the paparazzi, anyone?) Don't miss this episode's avian Music College Didn't Prepare Me segment. Got an anecdote or funny story to share? Email me at firstname.lastname@example.org Like and follow the podcast on Facebook and Instagram @asitcomespod (especially if you like cats and would like to see more of assistant purr-ducer Romeo) Mentioned in this episode: Ensemble Mini Berlin: http://minimahler…
Sep 13, 2019
Episode 7: Elisabeth Streichert "What's the point of feeling alone about this?"
Back to school! Which means back to the land of seemingly unfamiliar students, wacky comments from pupils and having to wake up early again... My guest is pianist Elisabeth Streichert, the Artistic Director of the Phacelia Ensemble - a flexible ensemble which specialises in "Concertos in Miniature" arranged by Elisabeth herself as well as great staples of chamber music repertoire. This conversation occurred in July 2019 during a heatwave, where we chatted about the unexpected delights of German beaches, how concertos are really just chamber music, convincing yourself that your project is a good idea, as well as Eli's struggle with and recovery from physical injury. One to listen to if you have or know someone who's ever endured physical pain - who hasn't? Don't miss this episode's double-reeded Bridezilla Music College Didn't Prepare Me segment! For bonus material such as videos and cats, please Like: facebook.com/asitcomespod Follow on Instagram: @asitcomespod Mentioned in this ep…
Aug 30, 2019
Episode 6: Nina Harries "How do you GO to Purcell?!"
Cellist spots fellow cellist at home train station - THAT SHE DOESN'T KNOW. Commence awkward staring. What do you do, especially if you don't have your instrument, and can't illustrate your solidarity? Nina Harries is my guest this week. We chat about her life as a bassist and vocalist, her musical family, imposter syndrome, working with the Akram Khan company, and her upcoming album. Also mentioned are muddy gigs, carting around double basses, and crying at nature, especially mountains. Don't miss this week's Music College Didn't Prepare Me segment of photographic consequences. Like and follow the podcast for bonus content such as myself playing instruments that I do not play: facebook.com/asitcomespod or Instagram @asitcomespod Mentioned in this episode: Nina's website and socials: www.ninaharries.com @ninaharriesbass 13th September album launch: https://www.hoxtonhall.co.uk/event/nina-harries/ Album preorder: https://ninaharries.bandcamp.com/
Aug 16, 2019
Episode 5. Uchenna Ngwe "C is the key"
Having no work sometimes can be therapeutic! Enjoy it while you can! My guest this episode is Uchenna Ngwe: oboist, cor anglais player and PhD candidate at Trinity Laban Conservatoire of Music and Dance. She's the founder of PlainSightSound and the Decus Ensemble which aims to uncover music by black British, African and Caribbean composers throughout history. She shares her wisdom about applying for Arts Council Funding, which many people know is not a straight-forward affair. We also chat about cello and oboe idiosyncrasies, clef dyslexia, Beethoven symphonies, and the best concerts we've ever been to. TRIGGER WARNING: there is a short discussion regarding the word MOIST *shudders* As always, don't miss the "music college didn't prepare me" segment. Got an anecdote to share with me? Tell me in preferably more than one word at email@example.com Like and follow the pod of F'book and I'gram @asitcomespod Mentioned in this ep: plainsightsound.com decusensemble.com @decus_e…
Aug 2, 2019
Episode 4: Kate Simko "Ride that wave"
Climate change will be the downfall of working musicians. How do you function as a musician when the elements seem to be battling against you? This episode's guest is the legendary Kate Simko - DJ, film composer and founder of London Electronic Orchestra. Listen as she chats about her fascinating musical path that led her to have foot in both the electronic and classical worlds. Plus don't miss this episode's Music College Didn't Prepare me of lip-sync-worthy proportions. Mentioned in this episode: Kate's "20 Weeks" playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3QeF9NRFoscRqdp3ofAxbM "20 Weeks": http://20weeks-movie.com/ "We Believe in Dinosaurs": https://www.webelieveindinosaurs.net/ Kate's Website: www.katesimko.com London Electronic Orchestra: www.katesimko.com/leo Follow Kate: @kate_simko Davina's BBC Radio 3 Time Travellers segments (70 mins in): https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00070r6 (Douglas Lilburn and the honey) https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000767w (Rebecca C…
Jul 19, 2019
Episode 3: Madeleine Ridd (part 2) "Things don't have to turn out the way you planned for it to be okay"
Consuming avocados is a risk if you want to retain your thumbs. Luckily, practising octaves can help. Listen to part 2 of my conversation with cellist Madeleine Ridd - we chat about how she got back into her playing, and her cathartic talent that led to her success outside of music. Plus, don't miss this episode's Music College Didn't Prepare Me! Mentioned in this episode: Millie's Brilliant Birthday Plan: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Millies-Brilliant-Birthday-Plan-Madeleine/dp/1910322679 Follow Maddy on twitter: https://twitter.com/maddyridd
Jul 12, 2019
Episode 2: Madeleine Ridd (part 1) "Nobody has a monopoly on suffering"
Have you ever been hideously late to a gig? I have, regrettably. This episode is part one of my chat with cellist Madeleine Ridd. We spoke about food, chamber music, touring, teaching, and Maddy's personal insight into her struggle with mental health. This episode also features a hazy "music college didn't prepare me" experience out in the South Pacific nation of Tonga. Had an experience music college didn't prepare you for? Tell me! firstname.lastname@example.org Like and follow on Facebook facebook.com/asitcomespod and Instagram @asitcomespod
Jun 27, 2019
Episode 1: Chad Vindin "Simplify, not stupefy"
Welcome to Episode 1! Today's guest is Chad Vindin, vocal coach and accompanist at Royal College and Academy of Music, as well as author of the successful Throwcase blog. What does he actually do? Find out in our chat! Experienced something bizarre that music college didn't prepare you for? Tell me here: email@example.com Follow: facebook.com/asitcomespod or Instagram @asitcomespod Mentioned in this episode: www.chadvindin.com www.throwcase.com www.rozznagy.net www.danielelms.co.uk