In this podcast Dr. Amy Johnson talks about her approach to helping people who struggle with anxiety or with all extreme or unwanted habits. Amy looks at life from the big picture, and her model is very different from most models of change available today. Betsy uses the model of Internal Family Systems Therapy, and the conversation explored the differences in these two ways of working with people. This conversation brings up people who have had many different experiences that were difficult, such as feeling invalidated, experiencing stress from the physical effects of sugar, and feeling worry or shame over the body. In this interesting conversation Amy's approach was unusual and refreshing; she constantly zoomed her lens way out to the bigger picture.