Beyond Theory
Beyond Theory
Sep 23, 2019
S1 E2: Gene Ross on the Illusion of Avoiding Pain
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Season 1, Episode 2: Gene Ross, Director of Outpatient Services for The Meadows-Dallas, sits down with host David Condos to discuss why our attempts to avoid pain are not only unsuccessful, but can also damage our mental health and lead us to substance use.


You can find out more about Gene’s team and what the Meadows Outpatient Center in Dallas offers at


To check out more episodes of the Beyond Theory podcast and find all kinds of other resources and tools from Meadows Behavioral Healthcare, visit


Music from this episode provided by Soundstripe.

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