May 15, 2023
Napcast Ep44 - Talking Justice Without Saying The Word Justice
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In some states, regions, and programs, the word "equity" and "justice" are not allowed. So, how can you talk about concepts of fairness, justice, and equity without jeopardizing your job? Inspired by Dr. Barbara Cooper's decision to step down as Secretary of Education in Alabama rather than change her beliefs about teaching for justice, Nick and Mike speculate about how early childhood educators can talk about gender, environmental, and immigration justice with young children without saying the word justice. Join us as we continue to evolve as reflective, social-justice educators.

Since meeting over 5 years ago at Hilltop Children's Center and Educator Institute in Seattle, WA (Coast Salish Territory), Nick Terrones (he/him) and Mike Browne (he/him) have been working towards a critical reimagination of ECE spaces for BIPOC educators and youth. In 2020, they teamed up to deliver a podcast titled Napcast, where they explore the intersection of early childhood education with race, identity, and culture. Now in new roles, Nick as the Program Director of Daybreak Star Preschool at United Indians of All Tribes, and Mike, Sr. Director of Community Engagement at Cultivate Learning, they combine their experience from their time in the classroom with their insights as ECE leaders in order to challenge your perspective on the ways we teach, play, and love society's youngest citizens. Please share your questions, comments, and thoughts at our new email address -

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