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Future Law Podcast
Future Law Podcast
This podcast cuts through the noise surrounding the future of law. The world, its people and their technologies are accelerating at a rapid rate. Can the legal profession keep up with all the changes?
6 days ago
Legal Innovation and the Client Experience with Carl White, CEO of CX In Law
Dan Hunter talks legal innovation and the future of law practice from the client's perspective with Carl White, founder and now Director and Chief Experience Officer with CXINLAW. CXINLAW partners with law firms in Australasia and the UK for training and education on excellence in client service.
Jun 15, 2020
A Legal Education Call to Action with Trish White and Andrea Sinner of the ABA Commission on the Future of Legal Ed
Mike Madison talks with Dean Trish White and Andrea Sinner, the chair and director of the American Bar Association Commission on the Future of Legal Education. The Commission wrapped up two years' worth of work in March 2020 and published a report that reads more like a manifesto for change than a conventionally sober reflection. Find the ABA Commission Report online here.
Dec 15, 2019
Legal Innovation and Design Thinking by Students Working with DWF Connected Services
Dan Hunter chats with University of Manchester students, Cian Heeley, Mandeep Hayer and Wunmi Akanji who were lucky enough to spend two weeks working with the geniuses at DWF on a legal design/innovation project with a very well-known sporting club in Manchester. Inspiring insights into the way that this sort of program changes how students think about the possibilities of law.
Dec 8, 2019
Margaret Hagan - Director Of The Legal Design Lab At Stanford University
Margaret Hagan, a global leader in bringing design to legal education and law practice, talks with Michael Madison about what design is and why design matters, supplying some of her own back story along the way.
Nov 30, 2019
EP 13 - Design Thinking
In this, our last episode for 2019, we finally bring you our long-promised episode on Design Thinking in Law. The terrible trio talks around some spots from three guests, Margaret Hagan, Director of the Legal Design Lab at Stanford Law School; Carl White, CEO of CX in Law; and Cian Heely, a grad from Manchester University who worked with the amazing gang at DWF to solve for a client's problem. We use these spots as a jumping off point for a wider chat about what design thinking in law looks like.
Nov 17, 2019
Professor Lesley Hitchens, Dean of UTS Law School
Dean Dan has been chatting with a lot of deans of late, and in this interview he talks with Dean Lesley Hitchens of the University of Technology, Sydney. In 2018 Professor Hitchens received the Financial Times Australian Legal Innovator Award, and her law school has pioneered a Legal Futures and Technology major. Listen as we chat about the kind of skills, knowledge, and attributes that law grads need to future-proof themselves.
Nov 10, 2019
Professor George Williams AO - Dean of UNSW Law School
In this interview, we chat with Prof George Williams AO, dean of UNSW Law School. George has thought a great deal about what the future of law should look like, and when he took over the law school he conducted a listening tour with a huge range of stakeholders of his school. We talked with him about the challenges facing legal education, and how one of the most prestigious schools in the country is addressing the opportunities ahead.
Nov 3, 2019
Professor Nick James, Dean of Bond Law School
“The name’s Bond, Professor Nick James from Bond.” Seriously, I can’t tell you how long I’ve waited to use that joke. In this interview, Dan (that’s me) interviews Nick James, the dean of Bond Law. We chat about his take on the future of legal education in Australia, and what Bond are doing to push the boundaries. Nick is an amazing scholar and teacher, and Bond has the best ratings in the country for student engagement and satisfaction with teaching. Nick talks about how the future looks from this kind of perspective. Join the conversation, why don’t you?
Oct 31, 2019
Ep 12 - The Future Of Legal Education In Australia
After diagnosing the state of US legal education a few months ago, in this episode the terrific trio talk about the nature of Australian law schools and discuss some of the challenges that they face in the years to come. With insights from guests Prof George Williams AO (UNSW), Prof Nick James (Bond) and Prof Lesley Hitchens (UTS), this is the first podcast from Dan in his new role of Executive Dean at QUT, and is sure to be a classic.
Oct 20, 2019
Michelle Mahoney - Head of Innovation at King & Wood Mallesons.
In this interview, the last of our investigations of how law firms are becoming tech firms, Dan Hunter talks with Michelle Mahoney, the head of innovation at King & Wood Mallesons. She discusses the layered approach to technology and innovation that this elite, multinational firm provides, and divides up the task into four useful categories.
Oct 13, 2019
Deepak Pillai - Data Analyst for Clayton Utz
In this interview, we chat with Deepak Pillai, a data analyst who works at the blue chip Australian law firm Clayton Utz. The firm took the unusual step of building a separate data analytics practice to complement its traditional legal practice. Deepak talks about why law firms might do this, how their clients respond to this type of offering, and how a data scientist from a social media marketing background came to be up close and personal with a bunch of lawyers.
Oct 6, 2019
Jonathan Patterson - Managing Director & Head of Development of DWF Ventures
In this interview, Dean Dan chats with Jonathan Patterson, the Managing Director & Head of Development of DWF Ventures in Manchester, England. DWF is a fascinating example of a law firm that has embraced managed legal operations, legaltech, and design thinking. The firm's incredibly successful listing this year on the London Stock Exchange was driven in large part by its ability to rethink how legal services are delivered, and we explore some of the ways in which DWF is how a tech firm.
Sep 30, 2019
EP 11 - Every Law Firm Is a Tech Firm
In this episode we talk about the way that law firms have responded to the new technology world in different ways. This episode’s title comes from an observation we heard from the CEO of a legaltech firm who said that “every law firm is a tech firm.” What he meant was that every firm has an IT department, which isn’t that interesting a thought. But we realized that lots of firms do technology in interesting ways, and we wanted to explore these as lessons for everyone. We feature three different sorts of law firms, King & Wood Mallesons which has a dedicated innovation director, Clyton Utz which runs a big data analytics group, and DWF which listed recently on the London Big Board and which uses a range of fascinating legaltech and design approaches. Join us, won't you, as we discuss how every law firm is a tech firm.
Sep 15, 2019
Interview - Simon Quirk
In this interview, Dean Dan chats with his friend Simon Quirk, recovering lawyer, professional services consultant, and long-time serial entrepreneur. The discussion ranges over the nature of legal practice, how to do innovation in law firms, and what we should think about the new point solutions in legal tech and regtech. Join us, won't you?
Sep 8, 2019
Interview - Richard Hsu
Lisa Leong and her business partner, Tristan Forrester, escape Melbourne and travel to San Francisco, to record this special Future Law Podcast bonus episode. They track down Richard Hsu - the Managing Director of the Partner Practice Group of recruitment firm Major Lindsey & Africa. Richard is the host and producer of an ABA award winning podcast HsuUntied - and author of the LMA award winning blog HsuTube. Oh, and he was a lawyer! (Amongst other legal roles, he was an IP partner at Shearman & Stirling). Richard spoke about creativity, being trained as an Engineer - and how his HsuTube offering came to be...
Aug 31, 2019
Episode 10 - Where Have All The Lawyers Gone?
Lisa Leong, Dean Dan Hunter, and Mike Madison take apart the challenges of modern law practice: clients increasingly want multi-functional capabilities from their lawyers and firms. The profession is full of talk of "T-shaped" lawyers, who combine deep legal knowledge and broad business and organizational skills. How can firms find, train, and keep these "T-shaped" professionals happy and productive? How can T-shaped lawyers find success in law firms, or beyond?
Aug 18, 2019
Interview - Deborah Merritt
Professor Deborah Merritt of the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University talks with Dan Hunter and Mike Madison about the sources of critical challenge in US law schools today and describes paths to re-invention, including a new focus on clients, for herself, for current students, and for law faculties.
Aug 11, 2019
Interview - Michele Pistone
Professor Michele Pistone from the Charles Widger School of Law at Villanova University in Philadelphia talks with Dan Hunter and Mike Madison about disruption in law practice and legal education, about change management in higher education, and about working across the university to build new, cross-disciplinary training for law.
Aug 4, 2019
Interview - Mark Tushnet
Professor Mark Tushnet of Harvard Law School is our guest. Professor Tushnet talks with Dan Hunter about the changes that he's seen in US legal education over his long and illustrious career, and offers some suggestions regarding how US law schools need to change to respond to the challenges ahead.
Jul 31, 2019
Episode 9 - The Future of Legal Education in the US
US law schools today face a double shot of post-2008 challenges. They face changing demand for legal services and legal education, plus changing demographics of prospective students. Law faculty are just now starting to accept that those factors point to large scale disruption of the traditional law school. Lisa, Dan, and Mike take an inventory of how US law schools got where they are, look at the likely shape of change to come, and - as always - deliver some practical take-aways.
Jul 14, 2019
Interview - Dean Gordon Smith
Dan and Mike talk with Gordon Smith, Dean of the J. Reuben Clark Law School at Brigham Young University (BYU) about emerging challenges and opportunities for US law schools. Gordon's research and teaching background is in business law and entrepreneurship. In this interview, he talks about bringing his expertise to bear on innovation and entrepreneurship inside a law school.
Jun 30, 2019
Ep 8 - Innovation on The Cheap
Lisa Leong, Dean Dan, and Mike Madison take a tour through strategies for initiating innovation and change, for people who don't have "innovating" in their professional portfolios - and who may not have budgets. They have case studies to share, from their own experiences in law firms, companies, and law schools. Anyone can put themselves in a position to innovate. Here's how to get started.
Jun 14, 2019
Interview - Ray Worthy Campbell
Dean Dan talks with Professor Ray Campbell, from Peking University-School of Transnational Law in Shenzhen, China. Before becoming a law professor, Ray clerked for U.S. Chief Justice Warren Burger of the United States Supreme Court, and was a partner in the multinational law firms of Kirkland & Ellis and Jenner & Block. Listen to his fascinating take on the future of law and the future of legal education in a globalised world.
May 31, 2019
Ep7 - The End of Law Schools
Dean Dan and Mike Madison talk about whether the future has caught up with law schools. They catch up with Professor Ray Campbell, from Peking University-School of Transnational Law in Shenzhen, China, who suggests that the future of legal education doesn't look like the way that we've always done things...
May 14, 2019
Interview - Professor Dan Klein aka Dan the Improv Man
Lisa Leong and her business partner Tristan Forrester spent some time hanging out with the delightful Professor Dan Klein from Stanford University. In this full interview, you will learn: - how to think like an Improviser and why it is important for cultivating an innovation mindset - how improv can encourage lawyer creativity - a few simple improv games like sound ball, and word-at-a-time proverb. How do you encourage creativity in your organisation? Let us know at http://thefuturelawpodcast.com/
Apr 30, 2019
Ep 6 - How Improv Unlocks Innovation
Lisa Leong introduces us to her friend Professor Dan Klein from Stanford University aka "Dan the Improv Man". In this episode our three co-hosts, Dean Dan, Lethal Lisa and Most Interesting Mike explore how improvisation exercises can help lawyers develop an innovation mindset. Have you tried using improv to unlock lawyer creativity? Add to the conversation at http://thefuturelawpodcast.com/
Apr 14, 2019
Interview - Mick Sheehy
Mick Sheehy is a partner at PWC and was formerly a general council at Telstra. He is the founder of CLOC in Australia and joins Dan Hunter to talk about legal ops, managed services, and why law firms should be worried about how the Big 4 are moving into NewLaw.
Feb 28, 2019
Ep 4 - Our (radical) predictions for 2028
Our three brave co-hosts go "on tape" to predict what the legal industry will look like in 2028 (ten years from now). Dean Dan, Lethal Lisa and Most Interesting Mike cover law firms, lawyers and law schools. Nothing is safe. Platform plays and multi-disciplinary practices are also covered. Agree or agree to disagree - please add to the conversation on the website: http://thefuturelawpodcast.com/
Jan 31, 2019
Ep 3 - Dean Dan was into AI before it was cool
In this episode, Lisa Leong, Mike Madison and Dan Hunter unpack "Artificial Intelligence" in the context of law. Prof Dan was on the public speaking circuit in the 90s banging on about AI - but in those days, no one was listening! He was so into AI that he would have dated Siri if she had existed in the 90s.
Jan 31, 2019
Ep 2 - The most interesting American (to us)
Introducing our third co-host, Prof Mike Madison from the University of Pittsburgh Law School - who is no ordinary law professor. Mike has been 'stockpiling' legal education reformers for over a decade. Mike gives us a brief overview of US-style legal education.
Jan 31, 2019
Ep 1 - Why this podcast? Beyond innovation theatre
Introducing Lisa Leong, the diminutive disruptor, and Prof Dan Hunter, Dean of Swinburne Law School. Lisa reminisces about how they met - and then they chat about what this podcast is about, who it is for and why we started it. This episode explores Experience Design - and why, to them, innovation is not just "about the technology".
Dec 18, 2018
Ep 5 - The rise of Legal Ops and Platform plays
Dean Dan has broken out of our ivory tower and gone to speak with a third party! Mick Sheehy was formerly a GC at Telstra - and is now a Partner of New Law @ PwC. We speak about CLOC, Legal Operations and Tech Platforms. If you don't know what any of these terms mean - please listen!