The OCD Stories
The OCD Stories
Mar 6, 2016
Beyond The Doubt - Jeff Bell & Shala Nicely
Play • 1 hr 7 min

In episode 11 of The OCD Stories podcast I interviewed Jeff Bell & Shala Nicely. Jeff and Shala have a personal and professional journey with OCD, and have come together to create Beyond The Doubt.

Show notes:

Shala & Jeff's OCD story (2:10)

What worked other then ERP/CBT? (14:20)

The importance of meaning (17:10)

Seeing the Universe as friendly (22:45)

Power of personal responsibility (26:30)

How to deal with dull looming anxiety (38:00)

“The only way to effectively manage uncertainty, is to embrace uncertainty?” (32:30)

Advice for conquering ERP (41:40)

The ultimate goal for OCD recovery (46:30)

Shala's advice for changing careers and becoming a therapist (49:20)

The purpose behind (56:30)

The one piece of advice (59:30)

What Jeff and Shala would have on their billboard (1:01:00)

Find out more about Chris and Kelly:

Beyond The Doubt -

Twitter: Jeff / Shala

Shala's website -

Jeff's initiative - Adversity to Advocacy

Jeff's books: Rewind, replay, repeat ( & When in doubt, make belief (

Resources mentioned:

Jon Hershfield

Viktor Frankl's book Man's search for meaning ( /

Tamar Chansky's book Freeing Your Child from Obsessive-compulsive Disorder (

Steven Hayes' podcast episode

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