As states slowly wind back restrictions and release the brake on lockdowns, it’s a good time to look back to see if they were worth it. So far, Australia has had less than 100 deaths related to COVID-19, and new case numbers remain small. But what about deaths that occurred because of the lockdown? And how many deaths would have occurred anyway? On today's show: * Were the lockdowns worth it? * Why is the tracing app critical time set to 15 minutes? * When is it likely that we will be able to travel interstate again?