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SPaMCAST 588 - Project Management: It's All Bollocks, An interview with Susie Palmer-Trew and Peter Taylor
Mar 1, 2020 · 26 min
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The SPaMCAST 588 features our interview with Susie Palmer-Trew and Peter Taylor.  We discussed their new book Project Management: It's All Bollocks!  It was great to meet Susie and renew our conversation with Peter. We talked about the assumptions that the profession of project management makes and why we should challenge those assumptions. The episode has the subtitle (you will discover it ½ way through the interview) 

Susie Palmer-Trew is an award-winning project professional and Director of Change at The Open University, enabling others to get shit done in a world tied up in red tape. She is the co-creator of the #LetsChangeChange movement, avid risk-taker and professional trouble maker. Contact Susie on LinkedIn (

Peter Taylor is author of the Amazon number 1 bestselling project management book, The Lazy Project Manager, and professional speaker, having given 350 lectures around the world in over 25 countries. He has been described as ‘perhaps the most entertaining and inspiring speaker in the project management world today’. Contact Peter at

Re-Read Saturday News 

This week we are at a family wedding and missed posting the next installment of our re-read of Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High, Second Edition by Patterson, Grenny, McMillan, Switzler. The essay is written but unedited. We will be back next week with Chapter 2 and possibly Chapter 3.

Week 1 - Logistics, Forewards, and Preface - 

Week 2 - Chapter 1: What’s a crucial conversation? And who cares? - 

If you do not have a copy or have tossed it at someone during a crucial conversation, it is time to buy a copy. Please use the link (using the link helps support the blog and podcast).


The SPaMCAST 589 will get us back into cadence with an essay on Clean Language. Clean Language is a technique for shaping a discussion. The questions at the heart of this approach are designed to discover and explore a person’s personal metaphor. Clean language is a very useful tool for a wide range of roles from coaching to exploring requirements and needs.

We will also have a conversation with Susan Parente.  Susan brings here Not A Scrumdamentalist Column to the podcast next week!  

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